majorsl

lkrupp said:

pscooter63 said:

bigtds said:

AppleExposed said:

Sad how Google can just steal Apples hard work and rake in $14B a year. Wow.

Man you really need to get a life.

Says the one who rants about the prices of things they will never buy.

As a resident Fandroid cheaptard he neither confirms nor denies this cartoon.

I bet you're just a real gem to be around in person. I save this quote for these occasions: "insults are the last resort of the weak-minded when they feel powerless."

StrangeDays said:

majorsl said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.

Might not be shitty but it’s amazing how only Apple gets dinged for iterative designs even though every mainstream smartphone these days is iterative.

I think the problem for Apple in this context is twofold.

1. They only release three phones a year (before it was just two) and the older phones stick around in the major lineup.

2. Their designs, when they change, don't change enough. A problem that gets compounded by the older, similar looking, phones in the lineup.

The only way Apple can alter the perception is by making bigger changes and more frequently but doesn't seem likely so the dinging will continue.

Could this guy show any more that he simply does not get Apple? That they don’t do change for change’s sake? That they don’t throw tons of shit against the wall to see what sticks? That only doing one, then two, now three phones a year is how they became the best-selling handset and #1 brand?

I mean this guy personifies everything about getting Apple wrong. All of the things they did right that made them successful he sees a “problem”. It’s hilarious. 

No my guy, they will not be doing any of that. 

Is that the same brand that saw sales flatten for three years and then drop (profit warning included)?

I 'get' Apple far better than you. Especially the iPhone business. No one is asking for a change for the sake of change.

However, Apple has changed. It now releases three models instead of two per year. How did that happen and why?

Think about it.

Where on earth did you get best selling handset and brand from? That goes to Samsung followed by Huawei and is yet another reason for change.

Three years of flat sales and a profit warning is not "getting it right". Seeing the competition literally eat your lunch on almost every level is not "getting it right".

The 5G modem situation is not "getting it right".

Shipping a $1,000 dollar phone with a 5W charger is not "getting it right".

Should I continue?

I think you should.  The exact posters I thought would reply to me did, with the exact same old spiel they always use, proving my 3 points.

The copycat thing goes both ways.  Hrm, let's see, what did Android have before iOS?  Off the top of my head:

• 3rd party keyboard support
• changing the background picture (I remember this one specifically as I lived it)
• multitasking (at least what we call it now in iOS), it was garbage compared to Android at first
• notifications that you could interact with instead of having to go to the app for something simple, like a quick txt reply
• multi-cameras
• under glass finger print (which is lightning fast and flawless on my OnePlus)
• fast charging (now up to "warp-charging" with my OnePlus - really fast charging, seriously) - note 5W comment by avon b7 - perfectly stated. I'd feel like I was waiting on a solar charge during an eclipse with any current iPhone.
• swiping keyboard, but hey, you'll get this as a "new, awesome, feature in iOS 13

I'm sure there are more.  In many cases, AppleExposed has perfectly stated it: Apple is iknocking-off-the-list these features one by one.  Nice to see them "innovating" and catching up.

Nope, we just see the same troll tropes here over and over. Again, don't flatter yourself. 

Your opinion of Android's multitasking compared to iOS, is simply your opinion. iOS multi-tasking has never been garbage. It used frozen states because it was unnecessary to allow processes to run in the background, other than music, GPS, or file transfers. This effectively prevented rouge apps and preserved device resources. Android has historically had crummier performance and required more RAM and bigger battery chemistries to make up for its technical short-comings and inefficiencies. 

Android emphasis different values over the ones iOS values, which is why where Android knockoffs are quick to implement nerd features like third-party keyboards, Apple takes its time, ensuring performance, privacy, and security are always maintained. Android doesn't do this. They value different priorities. To claim that makes Android better (for everyone) is simply foolish. For Apple's market, the things Apple prioritizes makes more sense, and makes iOS better. 

Oh please, someone stating facts and having a different opinion is not a troll.

The only troll tropes are the ones that a certain core group of forum posters here accuse others of when there is a difference of opinion or facts presented that don't jibe with their "Apple is all" worldview.  You're all about telling me that it's just my opinion, but yours are no less or more valid than mine.  I could say this certain group trolls anyone that doesn't engage in the proper groupthink, but that would be my opinion as well.

Your "values" argument is laughable on its face and perfectly illustrates my 2nd point.  Nice try.  How many of Apple's first goes are not perfect? But that's okay, it's Apple, it's innovation.  There are bound to be bumps in the road, but they'll make it better.  To turn the tables on a common saying here, "but Apple gets a pass from its users while the others are trashed for it".  Funny how that door swings both ways, isn't it?

If the ideas Android vendors create and bring to the table are so bad, why does Apple implement them?  You also seem to think that Android throws them out there and never refines or makes them better (hint: they do).

Nice job cherry picking 1 of my 8 points to find an excuse to rip on while not touching the others. Typical.  But, again, as above, Android OS never improved that, right?  Just left it "as is" because they are crummy. Hilarious.

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.

Might not be shitty but it’s amazing how only Apple gets dinged for iterative designs even though every mainstream smartphone these days is iterative.

I think the problem for Apple in this context is twofold.

1. They only release three phones a year (before it was just two) and the older phones stick around in the major lineup.

2. Their designs, when they change, don't change enough. A problem that gets compounded by the older, similar looking, phones in the lineup.

The only way Apple can alter the perception is by making bigger changes and more frequently but doesn't seem likely so the dinging will continue.

Could this guy show any more that he simply does not get Apple? That they don’t do change for change’s sake? That they don’t throw tons of shit against the wall to see what sticks? That only doing one, then two, now three phones a year is how they became the best-selling handset and #1 brand?

I mean this guy personifies everything about getting Apple wrong. All of the things they did right that made them successful he sees a “problem”. It’s hilarious. 

No my guy, they will not be doing any of that. 

Is that the same brand that saw sales flatten for three years and then drop (profit warning included)?

I 'get' Apple far better than you. Especially the iPhone business. No one is asking for a change for the sake of change.

However, Apple has changed. It now releases three models instead of two per year. How did that happen and why?

Think about it.

Where on earth did you get best selling handset and brand from? That goes to Samsung followed by Huawei and is yet another reason for change.

Three years of flat sales and a profit warning is not "getting it right". Seeing the competition literally eat your lunch on almost every level is not "getting it right".

The 5G modem situation is not "getting it right".

Shipping a $1,000 dollar phone with a 5W charger is not "getting it right".

Should I continue?

I think you should.  The exact posters I thought would reply to me did, with the exact same old spiel they always use, proving my 3 points.

The copycat thing goes both ways.  Hrm, let's see, what did Android have before iOS?  Off the top of my head:

• 3rd party keyboard support
• changing the background picture (I remember this one specifically as I lived it)
• multitasking (at least what we call it now in iOS), it was garbage compared to Android at first
• notifications that you could interact with instead of having to go to the app for something simple, like a quick txt reply
• multi-cameras
• under glass finger print (which is lightning fast and flawless on my OnePlus)
• fast charging (now up to "warp-charging" with my OnePlus - really fast charging, seriously) - note 5W comment by avon b7 - perfectly stated. I'd feel like I was waiting on a solar charge during an eclipse with any current iPhone.  The charger is a little bigger than an iPhone charger, but I could get a smaller one than and iPhone and scale back to 10W, or it even charges with my MBP charger so that's one less to carry!
• swiping keyboard, but hey, you'll get this as a "new, awesome, feature in iOS 13

I'm sure there are more.  In many cases, AppleExposed has perfectly stated it: Apple is iknocking-off-the-list these features one by one.  Nice to see them "innovating" and catching up.

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.

Might not be shitty but it’s amazing how only Apple gets dinged for iterative designs even though every mainstream smartphone these days is iterative.

I think the problem for Apple in this context is twofold.

1. They only release three phones a year (before it was just two) and the older phones stick around in the major lineup.

2. Their designs, when they change, don't change enough. A problem that gets compounded by the older, similar looking, phones in the lineup.

The only way Apple can alter the perception is by making bigger changes and more frequently but doesn't seem likely so the dinging will continue.

As of today we have plenty of design options open to us in the phone market. Full screen sliders, pop-ups, notches big and small, hole punches etc. All manner of finishes and materials and very soon, two different folding designs.

On top of that I've even seen rumours of a Samsung folding phone but Huawei style.

What is kind of curious is that all of those designs look gorgeous too. And not only gorgeous but absolutely gorgeous.

I hope that Apple actually springs a mild surprise with the finish on the 2019 refresh. At the very least.

Yet your knockoffs have been copying Apple since 2008.

avon b7 said:

matrix077 said:

9secondkox2 said:

fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

The don't need Jony because they already stole his designs.

Did I miss Apple's folding, sliding, waterdrop, hole punch, gradient, folding, supercharging etc options?

If not, how did they get copied from Apple and why is Apple rumoured to be licencing almost 800 Huawei patents?

Of course speaking of patents, Huawei registered more than any other company on the planet last year (WIPO). It also consistently invests more in R&D than Apple.

Do you want me to go through the list of what's missing on the inside of iPhones? I think you don't but I'm talking design in a pretty general sense here.

I understand that you automatically label any non-Apple phone as a 'copy/knockoff' but those labels fall off under their own weight.

Even you should be able to acknowledge (if only begrudgingly) that series 6,7 and 8 phones didn't move the needle that much and some iPhone users were also commenting on the staleness of the lineup. So far (too soon to know, though), the X series phones have fallen into a similar pattern.

I am simply suggesting a bit more effort on the design.

Unfortunately, you're missing the golden rules of a few posters here:

1) Apple did it first.
2) Apple did not do it first, but now does it better.
3) Apple isn't doing it, so it is inferior and not worth the time.

Once you get into this mindset, you see how invented words like iknockoffs get thrown around.  I'd be lying if I said in my early days of supporting Apple, I didn't think these exact same rules, and even more so when working for an Authorized Dealer during/out of college for awhile.  The KoolAid was sweet and in my favorite cherry flavor!  I would have been one of these posters, no doubt, and taking it personally if someone slandered my favorite brand.

I'm older and been around so much tech I can appreciate "other things", like you seem to, for the good points they are and the jobs they can do that my (still favorite) fruit company cannot or won't.

My OnePlus 7 Pro is a marvel to me.  Besides my Macs, it is the best piece of tech I've ever owned for it's use-case.  It is the phone I've been waiting for, for a long time. Going back to my Galaxy or even an iPhone would be a serious downgrade to me.

As an owner of a new OnePlus 7 Pro, I'll be the fish, thanks.  Come on in, the water is fine!  Seriously, tho... the OnePlus tweaks to Android (OxygenOS) got rid of a lot of the bloat. It also didn't come with vendor (AT&T) loaded bloatware that my old galaxy did.  It's a pretty good experience.