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    Even as an inveterate Mac user who only uses windows when I have to… would it *kill* them to just put it out as a general windows driver?
  • Microsoft contributes to Java port for Apple silicon Macs

    Rayz2016 said:

    rob53 said:
    Why? Java isn't going to make use of all the Apple-specific capabilities, it's just going to continue to run on Macs. What Java applications do people even use anymore?
    I code Java for a living, and Groovy too, increasingly, and Kotlin's on the horizon. All JVM languages. But I use Macs to do it, by *strong* preference. It's not the primary target platform for the products I'm working on (although it runs on it just fine), but it's the one I choose to use to do the work. I could fall back to Linux or Windows (in order of preference), but I'd rather not. And as long as I don't have to, I'm still in the market for shiny new apple kit on a regular basis. And there's lots like me.

    Of course part of me remembers Steve Jobs promising that Java was going to be an equal first class citizen for writing Mac apps, back when OSX came out. But <sigh/>.
    How is Groovy doing these days?

    I'm still pretty new to it so I don't really have a history of it in my head to compare it to. Was just looking for something for server-side scripting after Nashorn Javascript got deprecated. Actually like Groovy much much better.
  • Microsoft contributes to Java port for Apple silicon Macs

    Foxcatcher - great for searching within files for text inc Office Docs and PDF's. Oracle stopped offering a supported JVM for Catalina. I'm always open for alternatives though but I have not come upon anything even remotely as good as Foxcatcher.

    If you do still need a JRE for some legacy app that *doesn't* embed one of its own, install a JDK from
  • Microsoft contributes to Java port for Apple silicon Macs

    Will this port of JRE be available through the App Store? And if not, will installation of this JRE through manual downloading and installation be accompanied by any warnings from Apple, perhaps like the Digital Signature from Apple being absent? And will it require admin privilege to install?
    No and no.
    Ok, interesting. I came from an ancient era where I had to install a JRE app on my computer before I could run Javascript on web pages. And you're explaining that that's all done within the web browser now, I think. That's good progress.

    That's all wrong. :-)

    1: Java never had anything to do with Javascript. The latter's naming was an early attempt to jump on Java's coattails and has spent decades confusing people ever since.
    2: Yes, you needed a JRE on the computer to run *applets*, which ran in the browser, and Java Webstart apps, launched from the browser. They were written in Java. Not Javascript.
    3: There is no java in the browser now. Applets are a thing of the past. So is Webstart.
    4: But Javascript (which is still not Java) is all in the browser... and always has been.
  • Microsoft contributes to Java port for Apple silicon Macs

    rcfa said:
    So, for all these years there was no arm64 version of a JVM?
    I don't think Apple Silicon has the exact same instruction set as Arm. It's a variant that Apple has a license to create.
    my understanding is that it *is* aarch64, that's the license they paid for. but it's their own implementation. Think of it like Intel and AMD each having their own implementations of the x86_64 instruction set... The extensions are probably to access the extra stuff their silicon does, like neural engine/ML and Secure Enclave etc.