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24-inch iMac, iPad Pro, Apple TV 4K preorders begin
No issues with the website. About 8:01 I was able to select the iMac. green, 256gb hard drive, 16gb ram, 8/8/16 SOC. 21-27 May is delivery time. Also picked up a tb3 to tb2 adapter. Love the vet discount.
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Magic Keyboard won't 'precisely fit' new 12.9-inch iPad Pro but still works, says Apple
I have to agree that the original editorial was poor. Apple burned? Unofficial sources to come up with such a venomous editorial, which turned out to be untrue? How many iPad devices have been compatible between generations of iPads?![[Deleted User]](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=20d0bd4d8d7a2992f84640dbcce4097e&size=50&default=https%3A%2F%2Fvanillicon.com%2F20d0bd4d8d7a2992f84640dbcce4097e.png)
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iPad and Mac growth continue unabated in Q2 2021
I didn't wait. I find the M1s a massive upgrade. My 2014 mini needs an upgrade. I can replace the HD myself, however I don't know if it is really worth fixing, as the upgrades are more on the new iMac. The number of ports do not matter to me as I have a couple of usb hubs running off the mini already. My M1 mini replaced a 2009 iMac, and the MacBook Pro replaced the Mac Book Air. The Air went to our child.tmay said:I'm also running an older mac, a late 2014 iMac, and I can't wait until the "pro" version shows up this fall. This is going to be the easiest buying decision ever, well, except for how I option it out.
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iPad and Mac growth continue unabated in Q2 2021
You complain that others ignored what you said, yet you ignore what others say. Your links take me to a paywall. You are not understanding the basic point that sales is NOT flat because the market share is flat. That isn't how percentages work. You claim Macs sold remains a flat 10% of market share, fine. 10% of 100 million is 10 million, 10% of 200 million is 20 million, etc. If the total market goes up, and the percentage of market share stays the same, then the number of Macs sold goes up, whereas if the total market goes down and the percentage of market share stays the same, the number of Macs sold goes down. Developers do not care about market share. Developers do care about number of Macs in use, percentage of OS usage and the ability to make a buck. You ignored that Macs reached a sales record in Japan. You ignored how much demand there is for ASi Macs. The Macs are long term cycle for many people. Others are on one to three year replacement. I'm one of the long term replacement, coming from 2014 Macs that are having problems. I don't have the budget and there is not the compelling reason when they can run the latest OS for free. So despite the cost, it works out to be very low cost to keep with Macs. I know many people who are upgrading to ASi Macs from really old Macs.elijahg said:
The marketshare has been flat at 10% because the wider PC market has not grown. You can see the stats for yourself, that prove sales are flat. Why do you think Apple stopped reporting sales? The services increase is pretty much all down to the iPhone, which has grown (though only slightly outperformed the market). Outperforming sales matters to customers because it means big developers are more likely to take notice. This is especially important when people can't just fire up Windows to run some essential app. In the '90s when Apple was seriously flagging, there were barely any developers left on Mac OS. I don't want that to happen again. Apple's revenue makes zero difference to customers, other than customers being shafted due to the cost of the Macs.Fidonet127 said:
I read all your posts in this topic so far, and I'm failing to any sort of reality in them, except maybe the past 8 years bit and even that fails to meet reality. You say there must of been a drop in sales, yet the market share remains 10%. If market share stays the same over that period of time, then there was an increase of the number of Macs sold as the total market back then is smaller than today's market. That increase of sales is driving the increase in services. Why does out performing in sales matter, except to an investor? Apple out performed in revenue and is a very healthy company. With the stated transition timeline of two years for the entire Mac line up, how does the slow update timeline of the past apply?elijahg said:"Mac growth continues unabated" is pretty misleading. Revenue ≠ sales. I wonder how much of that extra revenue is down to the estimated $40-50 for the M1 vs the $200+ for the Intel CPUs. Also, since soldered RAM has been a thing since 2015 with no appreciable bump in revenue there must have been a drop in sales to keep revenue flat (or no one upgrades the RAM, unlikely). In fact, 2016's Mac revenue was down on 2015. Interesting that they don't report sales, companies stop doing that when numbers are no longer impressive. Wishy washy language like "The demand feels very strong right now" doesn't really say anything. Sales according to third parties have been largely flat since about 2012, which is corroborated by Mac's market share being stuck at 10% for a very long time. Mac sales are growing with the market, not outperforming as they should be. Sales of all computers are up significantly in the pandemic. Apple has essentially run out of people who will fork out for Macs, whose prices continue to rise. This is a real shame, as Mac growth had real momentum until ~2012. I wish Cook would give the Mac more attention, but it's obvious he doesn't care about it at all.
As per below, sales numbers is doing really well. Fundamentally, Macs were never Windows computers. The fact Windows could run on Intel Macs were a side benefit. Yes some people want windows on Macs, these sales records are not driven by people who want Windows. Adding to that, Apple said at this last event that they are selling more ASi Macs than Intel Macs.
Apple is performing a Major revamp of it's Mac line, and Rosetta has operated smoothly so I really don't understand how you can say Cook doesn't care about Macs at all.Half of people buying iPads and Macs are new to the product categories. It's been that way for a while now and it's still a shocking statistic.Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the last three quarters for Mac were its best ever.The new M1-equipped Mac mini has propelled Apple to the number one spot in the Japanese desktop PC market in the two weeks after the device's launch.With the launch of the first Apple Silicon Mac mini on November 17, BCN Retail tracked a surge in Apple computer sales that resulted in the Cupertino tech giant taking the number one spot by sales volume. BCN Retail reports that Apple now has 27.1% of the market, increasing 14.4% percentage points in a single week.
The PPC to Intel transition took 210 days, so following Apple's projection the x86 to M1 transition is much slower right off the bat. But it remains to be seen if Apple gets bored of the Mac again and abandons it stuck with old CPUs like the did in the Intel days. I hope they don't, I want Macs to be successful enough that big devs take notice and produce their apps for more than Windows; especially important with Windows support being dropped.
The market is up due to the pandemic. It will likely return to normal soon, and Mac sales will be down next year, along with PC sales. Good that in one traditionally Mac loving market sales are up, but this is not a normal year, look at pre-2020.
The ability to run Windows on Macs was more than a "side benefit" and more "critically important" for many. The business I worked at used to dual boot, almost everyone I know with a Mac has Windows on it too, including me.
I imagine they are selling more ASi Macs than Intel ones: who would buy an Intel Mac now when it'll be forcibly obsoleted in a few years?
You can see Cook's lack of interest in his presentations, though I admit that is a pretty general thing (especially when compared to his introduction of AppleTV+ where he was like a kid in a sweet shop). Ex-engineers have said he seems to dislike the Mac too.
Running Windows on a Mac was always a side benefit, period. You may not want to hear that, but that has always been true. It doesn't matter if many people want to do that, or even if it was a critical part of some people's workflow. Software developers are working to make it happen again. Your choices are find alternatives to Windows, wait for software developers or get a windows PC. Windows is not a part of my home life. As you are ignoring the data that ASi Macs are a success, you are also ignoring that Windows is NOT important to these people who buy ASi Macs. -
iPad and Mac growth continue unabated in Q2 2021
I read all your posts in this topic so far, and I'm failing to any sort of reality in them, except maybe the past 8 years bit and even that fails to meet reality. You say there must of been a drop in sales, yet the market share remains 10%. If market share stays the same over that period of time, then there was an increase of the number of Macs sold as the total market back then is smaller than today's market. That increase of sales is driving the increase in services. Why does out performing in sales matter, except to an investor? Apple out performed in revenue and is a very healthy company. With the stated transition timeline of two years for the entire Mac line up, how does the slow update timeline of the past apply?elijahg said:"Mac growth continues unabated" is pretty misleading. Revenue ≠ sales. I wonder how much of that extra revenue is down to the estimated $40-50 for the M1 vs the $200+ for the Intel CPUs. Also, since soldered RAM has been a thing since 2015 with no appreciable bump in revenue there must have been a drop in sales to keep revenue flat (or no one upgrades the RAM, unlikely). In fact, 2016's Mac revenue was down on 2015. Interesting that they don't report sales, companies stop doing that when numbers are no longer impressive. Wishy washy language like "The demand feels very strong right now" doesn't really say anything. Sales according to third parties have been largely flat since about 2012, which is corroborated by Mac's market share being stuck at 10% for a very long time. Mac sales are growing with the market, not outperforming as they should be. Sales of all computers are up significantly in the pandemic. Apple has essentially run out of people who will fork out for Macs, whose prices continue to rise. This is a real shame, as Mac growth had real momentum until ~2012. I wish Cook would give the Mac more attention, but it's obvious he doesn't care about it at all.
As per below, sales numbers is doing really well. Fundamentally, Macs were never Windows computers. The fact Windows could run on Intel Macs were a side benefit. Yes some people want windows on Macs, these sales records are not driven by people who want Windows. Adding to that, Apple said at this last event that they are selling more ASi Macs than Intel Macs.
Apple is performing a Major revamp of it's Mac line, and Rosetta has operated smoothly so I really don't understand how you can say Cook doesn't care about Macs at all.Half of people buying iPads and Macs are new to the product categories. It's been that way for a while now and it's still a shocking statistic.Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the last three quarters for Mac were its best ever.The new M1-equipped Mac mini has propelled Apple to the number one spot in the Japanese desktop PC market in the two weeks after the device's launch.With the launch of the first Apple Silicon Mac mini on November 17, BCN Retail tracked a surge in Apple computer sales that resulted in the Cupertino tech giant taking the number one spot by sales volume. BCN Retail reports that Apple now has 27.1% of the market, increasing 14.4% percentage points in a single week.
