Fidonet127

elijahg said:

"Mac growth continues unabated" is pretty misleading. Revenue ≠ sales. I wonder how much of that extra revenue is down to the estimated $40-50 for the M1 vs the $200+ for the Intel CPUs. Also, since soldered RAM has been a thing since 2015 with no appreciable bump in revenue there must have been a drop in sales to keep revenue flat (or no one upgrades the RAM, unlikely). In fact, 2016's Mac revenue was down on 2015. Interesting that they don't report sales, companies stop doing that when numbers are no longer impressive. Wishy washy language like "The demand feels very strong right now" doesn't really say anything. Sales according to third parties have been largely flat since about 2012, which is corroborated by Mac's market share being stuck at 10% for a very long time. Mac sales are growing with the market, not outperforming as they should be. Sales of all computers are up significantly in the pandemic. Apple has essentially run out of people who will fork out for Macs, whose prices continue to rise. This is a real shame, as Mac growth had real momentum until ~2012. I wish Cook would give the Mac more attention, but it's obvious he doesn't care about it at all.

I read all your posts in this topic so far, and I'm failing to any sort of reality in them, except maybe the past 8 years bit and even that fails to meet reality. You say there must of been a drop in sales, yet the market share remains 10%. If market share stays the same over that period of time, then there was an increase of the number of Macs sold as the total market back then is smaller than today's market. That increase of sales is driving the increase in services. Why does out performing in sales matter, except to an investor? Apple out performed in revenue and is a very healthy company. With the stated transition timeline of two years for the entire Mac line up, how does the slow update timeline of the past apply? 

As per below, sales numbers is doing really well. Fundamentally, Macs were never Windows computers. The fact Windows could run on Intel Macs were a side benefit. Yes some people want windows on Macs, these sales records are not driven by people who want Windows. Adding to that, Apple said at this last event that they are selling more ASi Macs than Intel Macs.

Apple is performing a Major revamp of it's Mac line, and Rosetta has operated smoothly so I really don't understand how you can say Cook doesn't care about Macs at all.

Half of people buying iPads and Macs are new to the product categories. It's been that way for a while now and it's still a shocking statistic.

 Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the last three quarters for Mac were its best ever.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/11/30/m1-mac-mini-catapulted-apple-to-number-one-in-japanese-desktop-pc-market

The new M1-equipped Mac mini has propelled Apple to the number one spot in the Japanese desktop PC market in the two weeks after the device's launch.

With the launch of the first Apple Silicon Mac mini on November 17, BCN Retail tracked a surge in Apple computer sales that resulted in the Cupertino tech giant taking the number one spot by sales volume. BCN Retail reports that Apple now has 27.1% of the market, increasing 14.4% percentage points in a single week.

GeorgeBMac said:

StrangeDays said:

GeorgeBMac said:

For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!

His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.

Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups.  Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap

Nah. Expecting to be able to upgrade a laptop is as stupid as expecting to upgrade a tablet. I'm a hardcore tech nerd software dev, and have never upgraded anything other than RAM on a notebook. And now I just get what I need upfront. I have never, ever upgraded the storage or (lol) processor. That may be some DIY hobby thing you're into, but 99.9% of Apple's market doesn't do it. They aren't going to make compromises for the .1%, get real.

It's appliance computing. Don't like it? Get a Dell.

Andrew disagrees.

Good to know, as if we somehow missed your earlier messages. Andrew is not a part of my life or buying decisions. According to apple at the last event, they are selling more ASi Macs than Intel Macs. Every single one of the millions of ASi Macs sold so far is not upgradable. The hundreds of thousands or millions of MacBook Airs are not upgradable. Nobody is saying there isn’t a market for upgradable Macs. We are saying that the larger market doesn’t care at all about upgradable Macs. I did that when I did PCs. I have not missed that.

GeorgeBMac said:

Fidonet127 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!

His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.

Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups.  Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap

For every point, there is a vast majority of people who never upgrade the internals of their computers. You can rally and complain about that all you want, however there are millions of computers including Apple that haven’t been upgrade for years. Our 2014 Air and Mini are some of those. Apple is selling more ASi Macs than Intel Macs and every one of them are all soldered together. Apple knows their market. Rather than scrapping them, Macs do have a high resale value. 

Did you watch the video?   Andrew called bull.... 

do you understand how upgradable the MacBook Air and Mini were? 

Just because the power supply is magnetic, does not mean it can be easily detached. All I can find on Apple’s page about the new iMac is the power supply is easily attached. Did the keynote say the power supply is mag safe, or to prevent the computer from crashing down? Again the area of the magnet is larger and thus should be harder to detach. There is nothing on Apple’s webpages that there is a battery meant to prevent power loss. They could have enough capacitors to prevent power loss for a brief period. Apple doesn’t detail what the advantage of the magnet attachment is, other than easily attached. The magnet could simply be to ensure proper alignment. 

This was built low end to replace low end iMacs. The prosumer and pro stuff is still to come. This is for the masses. This has the same specs as the other M1 Macs. Advantage over the mini is all usb-c if you like that, better webcam with lighting compensation, mic and built in monitor.