ericpeets

TextBladeDenied said:

Millions of dollars collected from 10,000+ customers? 4+ years. No product shipped. No keys for kids. Who has the money? Mark Knighton has the money.

I think Kahuna knows this better than you. In the Waytools forums, he often asks Waytools for a Tesla. Even if in jest, that shows:

• He knows he's doing a service for Waytools (as their propaganda mouthpiece, frontman -- or rather, "Useful Idiot" as defined by Kathleen Bailey.. pls see my previous post).
• Despite the constant talk about Apple and Tesla on WT forums, he chooses to ask for a Tesla since it costs a lot more than any Apple products -- because he knows Waytools got the money.
• He know that even a moderately equpped Tesla would cost almost $100,000.00. Kahuna apparently thinks they have that to spare, especially since they surpassed that amount in only a few days of preorder.
• He also knows that Keys for Kids will never happen. So, gotta tap that!

Waytools will never send him one, mind you (unless they're stupid as well as crazy). But Kahuna's request, even in jest, is quite telling.

Who on earth would buy into a campaign that would (honestly) say "We'll donate keyboards to kids" at SOME time, an INDEFINITE time, at least FOUR YEARS later? More importantly, who'd create such ridiculously vague marketing ploy?

Actually, I found this Waytools press release dated January 28, 2015, which states:

WayTools is now reviewing applications for grants to be awarded this summer.

THIS SUMMER! Meaning summer of 2015 in case anyone's confused. Not next summer, or summer of 2016-2018, not summer of 20xx, but summer of 2015.

So, who on earth thought TB would go out before GR? Waytools CEO Mark Knighton certainly did.

Nor is there a clause that says after GR. Insisting on such blatantly false conditions (in hindsight, no less) is quite despicable.

edit: bolded some words so there's no room for misrepresentations or misinterpretations

dabigkahuna said:

Who on earth thought any TB would go to this program BEFORE GR?

And who on earth would have thought TB would go to journalist(s) before customers, when Waytools specifically stated otherwise.

And who on earth would have thought TB's would be sent out to "customers" not in chronological order of preorders, when Waytools specifically said they wouldn't.

So, now, who on earth would believe anything they say?

dabigkahuna said:

ericpeets said:

 I remember another carrot they dangled -- Keys for Kids (where they promised/estimated/projected to donate $1 million of Textblades to school -- that turned out to be a lie.

Who on earth thought any TB would go to this program BEFORE GR?

Now, if we get GR and they don't give those away, then you can say they lied about it. Otherwise, I'm here to "courteously" provide correction to your statement.

Who on earth would buy into a campaign that would (honestly) say "We'll donate keyboards to kids" at SOME time, an INDEFINITE time, at least FOUR YEARS later? More importantly, who'd create such ridiculously vague marketing ploy?

Unless there was understanding that GR was imminent, any day now. It can only work if everyone thought Waytools would ship any day now -- a lie they kept feeding.

Remember, the issue of GR (even the term GR) is a rather recent phenomenon. Certainly it came well after they swept Keys for Kids under the rug. Keys for Kids campsaign was based on their assumption that they had duped the public into thinking their product was ready to go -- essentially a lie based on a lie.

That's what happens when you base a lie on another lie. When the underlying lie fails, their whole chain of BS comes crumbling down.

TextBladeDenied said:

When was the gift first offered? I cant even remember. Around the 1 year mark? Do we get 2 free gifts for 2 years of waiting, or 3 free gifts for 3 years of waiting? Does the gift, which was allegedly 'better' for earlier customers, get better the longer you wait, or does it become the same for all since at some point everybody has waited multiple years? Is it an appreciating asset? A bottle of fine wine properly stored? Or is it a trinket, worth nothing 3 years ago, and less with each year that passes? 

I had ordered in March of 2015, and there were already complaints about delays, and I remember Waytools dangling that carrot even back then (and probably from the beginning). I remember another carrot they dangled -- Keys for Kids (where they promised/estimated/projected to donate $1 million of Textblades to school -- that turned out to be a lie.

I mention this because I never cared about the 'gift' but my girlfriend and I were suckered in by this other carrot, which is Keys for Kids . After the goal was met for Keys for Kids (over 10k preorders) -- which they proudly announced happened within a few days after they started), they stopped talking about it. Since then, it's been effectively No Keys for Any Kid.

I find this to be the most insidious thing Waytools concocted (and there sure are many). Let's set aside for a moment all the customer/company issues, since they're adult matters and we are all adults here. But if a company is willing to use kids to peddle their product and then sweep them under the rug after they got their fill, what does that say about the company? How much lower can they go? Is there a bottom to their pit of lies. Is there anything they will not do or say to sell you a keyboard?