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tyler82 said:

What is going on with the Apple design department? From iPhone safari (sometimes the url and toolbar are on the bottom, sometimes on the top) to Notch-All-The-Things, it’s getting kind of weird lately. 

chris_kalan said:

tyler82 said:

What is going on with the Apple design department? From iPhone safari (sometimes the url and toolbar are on the bottom, sometimes on the top) to Notch-All-The-Things, it’s getting kind of weird lately. 

In which cases are the URL and toolbar at the top again? They moved to the bottom in iOS 15.

GeorgeBMac said:

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GeorgeBMac said:

zimmermann said:

I got mine Friday. So far I’m happy, very happy. But the bezels are still somewhat large to my liking. 

Yeh, i wonder why they reduced the bezels but kept them fairly large?

The top & bottom bezels seem much narrower than before but not narrow.  And, the side bezels seem (from the pictures) to be even wider than before.

Why wouldn't Apple just eliminate bezels like they did on iPhones starting back with the X?  And, without FaceId the don't even need the notch.

Does that very nice front facing camera take up that much room?  But, even if it does, why are the other three bezels so much wider than those on an iPhone?

The typical, immediate answer is (as always) "cost".  But I would think that making the screen fill the form factor should not add significantly to the cost.

Are you going to glue some velcro on your hand and some more on the back of the iPad in order to have a decent touch experience? You still need some space to handle the iPad (a two-hands device).

Even on a full sized iPad my fingers don't curl around onto the screen.  I hold it by the edges -- just as I do with my phone.

crowley said:

Apple_Bar said:

GeorgeBMac said:

zimmermann said:

I got mine Friday. So far I’m happy, very happy. But the bezels are still somewhat large to my liking. 

Yeh, i wonder why they reduced the bezels but kept them fairly large?

The top & bottom bezels seem much narrower than before but not narrow.  And, the side bezels seem (from the pictures) to be even wider than before.

Why wouldn't Apple just eliminate bezels like they did on iPhones starting back with the X?  And, without FaceId the don't even need the notch.

Does that very nice front facing camera take up that much room?  But, even if it does, why are the other three bezels so much wider than those on an iPhone?

The typical, immediate answer is (as always) "cost".  But I would think that making the screen fill the form factor should not add significantly to the cost.

Are you going to glue some velcro on your hand and some more on the back of the iPad in order to have a decent touch experience? You still need some space to handle the iPad (a two-hands device).

It has flat edges, there's plenty of grip there.

GeorgeBMac said:

zimmermann said:

I got mine Friday. So far I’m happy, very happy. But the bezels are still somewhat large to my liking. 

Yeh, i wonder why they reduced the bezels but kept them fairly large?

The top & bottom bezels seem much narrower than before but not narrow.  And, the side bezels seem (from the pictures) to be even wider than before.

Why wouldn't Apple just eliminate bezels like they did on iPhones starting back with the X?  And, without FaceId the don't even need the notch.

Does that very nice front facing camera take up that much room?  But, even if it does, why are the other three bezels so much wider than those on an iPhone?

The typical, immediate answer is (as always) "cost".  But I would think that making the screen fill the form factor should not add significantly to the cost.

DAalseth said:

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DAalseth said:

It's clear that FB is an evil company, run by a sociopath, that will do and allow anything for money. That's a given.
It's also clear that human trafficking is a huge problem that has to be tackled whenever and wherever it appears. 

This does bring up an interesting question though. When is it a companies duty to step in and regulate how their product is used? When do they have the RIGHT to dicatarte this? Even more how is it their right to dictate how OTHER companies apps are used?
Various gangs and mafiosi like Ford Expeditions for their criminal activities. They have plenty of room, you can get them with dark windows standard, and they are very tough. It's the same reason clandestine "security" organizations use them. Should Apple ban Ford's advertising and any apps they have because of this? Should Apple ban other apps that DO allow Ford advertisements? 
It's one thing when a country such as China says Apple cannot offer Twitter in the AppStore. It's another when Apple rejects an App because it doesn't fit with their image. It's my phone. If I want, for example, a porn app on it how is it Apples place to say no? If I want to use an app in a way that Apple doesn't agree with, how do they have the right to say that's not allowed? It's my phone. It's my time. It's my business. 

Who made them arbiter of how I can use the device I paid for?

I wonder if this is part of the reason there is growing pressure to allow side loading of Apps on Apple devices? 

Because you are not seeing that the App Store belongs to Apple so they make the rules of how/what they want to sale. 

You may own the iPhone hardware but you don’t own the OS heck you don't even own the apps. You may think you do but then the developer changes to a subscription model and you are f or build an entire new app that you have to pay again and stopped supporting the one you think you owned. 

Same as Target not wanting Salvation Army outside the stores. 

Same as Walmart for allowing Salvation Army.

Same as a restaurant when they decide to offer a certain Menu. 

You know what you are getting yourself into when buying the iPhone. I bet you (not you everyone really) tap Agree, Next, Next, Next at setup without reading. 

On your example of Ford the crimes are not being committed on an iPhone app. Human trafficking was directly happening through the Facebook app  violating the App Store rules.   So they get to regulate and intervene directly.

All correct, and that leads to my last point. Maybe people are getting sick of Apple’s heavy hand about what is and is not acceptable on our devices. Maybe Apple has only itself to blame for the pressure to allow other stores.  Maybe the harder they try to hang onto control, the more people will rebel and it will slip through their fingers.