NinjaMan

Xed said:

NinjaMan said:

Xed said:

NinjaMan said:

Xed said:

F_Kent_D said:

foregoneconclusion said:

This is the same Texas state government that has made drastic changes to voting laws to try and reduce the number of citizens that can successfully cast a vote in the state.

Based on your inaccurate comment it doesn’t seem to me you live in Texas. I’ve lived in Texas for my 43 years and the government has never tried to reduce the amount of people that can vote. We actually have opened early voting for extended periods of time, more than most states by a lot, and the state allows anyone to cast a provisional ballot that if needed any government issued or even a school issued ID is sufficient. You cannot tell me that even thou you’re required to have an ID to lease an apartment or any housing but it’s not okay to require that same ID to cast a ballot for an election. You’ve been fed wrong information watching CNN and reading The Washington Compost

Someone needs to read more about their state laws. FB and Qanon groups aren't cutting it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/what-texas-voting-bill-does/index.html

Oops. I linked to article from CNN. I guess that means it's automatically all "fake news". 🙄

How is structuring an accountable voting system to limit fraudulent votes reducing the number of citizens who can successfully vote? There's absolutely nothing in that article that demonstrates a blocking in someone's ability to vote - does removing 24hr voting inconvenience some, maybe, but 6am to 10pm still gives you 16 out of 24hrs to cast a vote so it's not impossible - people can go before work or afterwork regardless of their shift. Texas actually has a State law in place that says employers are NOT allowed to prevent an employee from voting: https://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/voting_time_off.html so exactly how are people are the number of citizens being reduce? 

You're asking how creating voter laws that are purposely designed to restrict the votes of minorities could possibly reduce their ability to vote? If that's a head scratcher to you then maybe you shouldn't vote.

PS: Next time why don't you bring up how gerrymandering is perfectly fine so long as it benefits your party.

How are these changes specifically targeting minorities? How are white people immune to any impact of these changes? Please list out where these changes are minority impacting only - I'll wait, but please don't attempt to list anything that's related to socioeconomics because those same factors effect white people as well…

If you were sincere you would be able to do your own research for the exact question you asked.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Nothing is preventing people from getting IDs, period. If someone doesn't have an ID it's not because their race held them back, it was a choice not to...sorry, but I have no issue with requiring IDs to vote otherwise what prevent someone from going in and voting as multiple people, including people who have passed, which was found to be an actual problem. If there were legit laws or anything else that specifically stopped minorities from obtaining IDs I would 100% support that these voting law changes are racists, but not having one is a choice...

crowley said:

NinjaMan said:

The whole Russian thing was was debunked

Nope.  There's your problem.

it wasn't debunked??? how do you figure? the crying was all about how Trump colluded with Russia which was found to be false and that HC bought fake information...

fastasleep said:

NinjaMan said:

Xed said:

F_Kent_D said:

foregoneconclusion said:

This is the same Texas state government that has made drastic changes to voting laws to try and reduce the number of citizens that can successfully cast a vote in the state.

Based on your inaccurate comment it doesn’t seem to me you live in Texas. I’ve lived in Texas for my 43 years and the government has never tried to reduce the amount of people that can vote. We actually have opened early voting for extended periods of time, more than most states by a lot, and the state allows anyone to cast a provisional ballot that if needed any government issued or even a school issued ID is sufficient. You cannot tell me that even thou you’re required to have an ID to lease an apartment or any housing but it’s not okay to require that same ID to cast a ballot for an election. You’ve been fed wrong information watching CNN and reading The Washington Compost

Someone needs to read more about their state laws. FB and Qanon groups aren't cutting it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/what-texas-voting-bill-does/index.html

Oops. I linked to article from CNN. I guess that means it's automatically all "fake news". 🙄

How is structuring an accountable voting system to limit fraudulent votes reducing the number of citizens who can successfully vote? There's absolutely nothing in that article that demonstrates a blocking in someone's ability to vote - does removing 24hr voting inconvenience some, maybe, but 6am to 10pm still gives you 16 out of 24hrs to cast a vote so it's not impossible - people can go before work or afterwork regardless of their shift. Texas actually has a State law in place that says employers are NOT allowed to prevent an employee from voting: https://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/voting_time_off.html so exactly how are people are the number of citizens being reduce? 

I love how people pretend like rampant voter fraud is an actual problem that needs solving (it isn't) and that further restricting voting is a necessary step to further secure elections (it isn't). It's well documented who these restrictions overwhelmingly target, and which side is responsible for instigating these bullshit pieces of legislation. There is no data to support the allegations of voter fraud as we've seen over and over again. You're either being willfully obtuse to support your indefensible position on the subject, or you're an abject moron.

Seriously??? Going in to the 2020 election all we heard about was ensuring against fraudulent voting and Russian influence the same way we saw in the 2016 election. Even after the election CNN and MSNBC were talking about how, even though Biden won, we shouldn't assume that Russia wasn't still making attempts to swing the vote to Trump again like they did in 2016... The whole Russian thing was was debunked, but they still ran and continue to run with that narrative. 2016 to 2020 all you head about what how fraudulent the election was and off the back of this believed notion of fake Facebook ads measures where put in place to guard against it ever happening again. 

Xed said:

NinjaMan said:

Xed said:

F_Kent_D said:

foregoneconclusion said:

This is the same Texas state government that has made drastic changes to voting laws to try and reduce the number of citizens that can successfully cast a vote in the state.

Based on your inaccurate comment it doesn’t seem to me you live in Texas. I’ve lived in Texas for my 43 years and the government has never tried to reduce the amount of people that can vote. We actually have opened early voting for extended periods of time, more than most states by a lot, and the state allows anyone to cast a provisional ballot that if needed any government issued or even a school issued ID is sufficient. You cannot tell me that even thou you’re required to have an ID to lease an apartment or any housing but it’s not okay to require that same ID to cast a ballot for an election. You’ve been fed wrong information watching CNN and reading The Washington Compost

Someone needs to read more about their state laws. FB and Qanon groups aren't cutting it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/what-texas-voting-bill-does/index.html

Oops. I linked to article from CNN. I guess that means it's automatically all "fake news". 🙄

How is structuring an accountable voting system to limit fraudulent votes reducing the number of citizens who can successfully vote? There's absolutely nothing in that article that demonstrates a blocking in someone's ability to vote - does removing 24hr voting inconvenience some, maybe, but 6am to 10pm still gives you 16 out of 24hrs to cast a vote so it's not impossible - people can go before work or afterwork regardless of their shift. Texas actually has a State law in place that says employers are NOT allowed to prevent an employee from voting: https://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/voting_time_off.html so exactly how are people are the number of citizens being reduce? 

You're asking how creating voter laws that are purposely designed to restrict the votes of minorities could possibly reduce their ability to vote? If that's a head scratcher to you then maybe you shouldn't vote.

PS: Next time why don't you bring up how gerrymandering is perfectly fine so long as it benefits your party.

How are these changes specifically targeting minorities? How are white people immune to any impact of these changes? Please list out where these changes are minority impacting only - I'll wait, but please don't attempt to list anything that's related to socioeconomics because those same factors effect white people as well...

Xed said:

F_Kent_D said:

foregoneconclusion said:

This is the same Texas state government that has made drastic changes to voting laws to try and reduce the number of citizens that can successfully cast a vote in the state.

Based on your inaccurate comment it doesn’t seem to me you live in Texas. I’ve lived in Texas for my 43 years and the government has never tried to reduce the amount of people that can vote. We actually have opened early voting for extended periods of time, more than most states by a lot, and the state allows anyone to cast a provisional ballot that if needed any government issued or even a school issued ID is sufficient. You cannot tell me that even thou you’re required to have an ID to lease an apartment or any housing but it’s not okay to require that same ID to cast a ballot for an election. You’ve been fed wrong information watching CNN and reading The Washington Compost

Someone needs to read more about their state laws. FB and Qanon groups aren't cutting it.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/what-texas-voting-bill-does/index.html

Oops. I linked to article from CNN. I guess that means it's automatically all "fake news". 🙄

How is structuring an accountable voting system to limit fraudulent votes reducing the number of citizens who can successfully vote? There's absolutely nothing in that article that demonstrates a blocking in someone's ability to vote - does removing 24hr voting inconvenience some, maybe, but 6am to 10pm still gives you 16 out of 24hrs to cast a vote so it's not impossible - people can go before work or afterwork regardless of their shift. Texas actually has a State law in place that says employers are NOT allowed to prevent an employee from voting: https://www.twc.state.tx.us/news/efte/voting_time_off.html so exactly how are people are the number of citizens being reduce?