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ihatescreennames said:

AppleInsider said:

Joz even scoffed at the idea of it being "demo ware," in what seemed to be a pointed comment at Daring Fireball's John Gruber.

Sure, now that it’s a year later. We still aren’t seeing the semantic index stuff that was touted at WWDC 2024. What is Joz scoffing at?

At the suggestion that what was shown during WWDC 2024 was faked or not actually running.

ChiIrishReed said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

ChiIrishReed said:

It’s time for Tim Cook to be fired. Steve Jobs would be and is rolling over in his grave. Nothing groundbreaking or innovative has happened under Cook’s watch. I’ve been an active apple fan since 2000. Apple intelligence last year (and Siri) was nothing but false promises and vaporware starting with WWDC 2024. Apple AI this year is still woefully behind any of its competitors. Apple’s tech is behind Android features that have been out for years on other phones (and yes I know those phones are less secure and have bloatware - but that doesn’t invalidate the point) and yet Apple is selling these as new and revolutionary software updates. Tim is too cautious and these promises of a new OS every year, except some features being available later in the year (just wait customer) in an  iOS update is nothing but lies and poor product development year after year. It’s not necessary. Gone are the days when Apple was innovative and the OS actually had every feature when it was released the first time, without promises for later. Same with the hardware. Incrementalism is not only boring, it’s costing Apple its edge. What is apple working on? 

Seven years ago, still evergreen.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/04/25/defending-tim-cook-why-apple-remains-in-good-hands

Let me pull a select quote.

"If Steve Jobs Was Still Alive"

"If Steve Jobs were alive today" are arguments are, by their very nature, specious and ridiculous. For one thing, they're based entirely on conjecture, as no one knows exactly how someone who has been dead for close to seven years would react to a unique situation arising today, much less the adherence to Moore's Law in iPhone processors that Intel has failed to deliver for the Mac. It's an argument that's impossible to prove and equally impossible to refute.

For another, these arguments implicitly invoke a fictitious, idealized version of Steve Jobs who always did everything right and never made mistakes or became embroiled in crises at Apple — one bearing virtually no resemblance to the actual Steve Jobs.

Ok. Delete the sentence about Steve Jobs and look at the rest of the comment. Where is the lie about Siri, about AI, about Apple being behind and promoting vaporware and not having anything complete issued at roll out time? 

Your comments read like a Samsung fan in a forum circa 2014. They're tired, old arguments that never prove true. Siri still works in its core competencies and sucks greatly at things outside of those, and Apple promised an update that didn't arrive. That's annoying, but it's one feature out of a dozen that shipped in 2024/2025. There was never vaporware, just hallucinating AI that had a higher-than-desired miss rate.

I love that Amber and I can have such equally valid and opposing opinions on Apple. Gives you all some variety. Examining the keynote purely objectively, yeah, it feels small and the redesign took over the whole thing. However, I'm pretty excited about all the small stuff, and of course, I really can't wait to see what developers do with the new APIs.

cajunreb said:

So, here's the timeline as you see it:

WWDC 24: Apple overpromises all this AI-New Siri stuff

Time between WWDC 24 and WWDC 25: Apple doesn't deliver AI-New Siri stuff

Also time between WWDC 24 and WWDC 25 but AFTER Apple doesn't "deliver": Apple decides to overhaul it's UI

WWDC 25: Apple introduces the UI overhaul that they supposedly only began working on between WWDC 24 and WWDC 25. 

So, within a year, Apple didn't promise AI-new Siri, decided to overhaul its UI, and have it ready for WWDC 25 to distract from the overpromising of AI-New Siri stuff. I mean, do you think they came up with the idea for this UI overhaul and created it in less than a year? 

The Liquid Glass redesign has been worked on for multiple years and was meant to come out last year, but they pushed it back to focus on AI. And I expect we'll see Siri with App Intents before the end of the year, which still fits in Apple's original announced timeline and announced "delay."

Pretty happy with this redesign, personally. I think some of the more busy screenshots with readability issues are the exception, not the rule. It's been quite interesting and responsive in my use so far, though I'm sure some tweaks will be made through the summer.

I take an opposite opinion. The content, like in Apple News or a social media app, isn't the "design." That's all going to looks relatively the same regardless of the window chrome. What changed was every aspect of how a user interacts with an app besides scrolling. Buttons, bars, tabs, and menus are all altered. I think it goes beyond a layer of paint.

It isn't as dramatic as trading out the felt of a casino table for a plain white backdrop, but there's also a lot more OS chrome today than there was in iOS 7. The square footage of what was affected during the keynote yesterday was much much more than iOS 7, and I think people will notice.

It is an opinionated design that users have the ability to walk back a bit with some toggles and customization. I'm happy that Apple has an opinion on design again -- things we're feeling a little too flat to the point that Android could easily skin and look like Apple's OS. This will be much harder to copy.