mobird said:

Wonder if a injunction by who knows who might put a kabash on the release date of iOS 15?

 

Not a chance to succeed because you do not have to use iCloud. But if you use iCloud, within iCloud's ToS will be the verbiage that covers what Apple will do as part of the agreement to use the service.  Courts (and the populace in general) allowed this cat out of the bag many years ago. 

Consider: when Govs and Orgs ultimately just can't get the company to bend to their will,  they then get at one of the links in the chain of that business. Banks, credit processing, shipping are some of the places they can alternately get to upstream or downstream -- this is getting at a company by other means when that company refuses to submit.  Porn sites have been feeling this regulation/lawfare squeeze for some time now -- regulation/law fare getting at the money system these sites depend on -- forcing them to obey or drive them out of business. It isn't just porn they're doing this to.
Make no mistake, Apple didn't just put this new policy in place because it was simply part of a business plan. This is got the long arm of Govs/Orgs written all over it. 

Any talk of privacy not directly also including an outright attack on Android/Google and Facebook is no talk of privacy at all. 
I'm glad to have the talk about privacy and Apple's CSAM. It's not a great place to plant the flag for privacy but that's the hand that's been dealt. But now include the majority of smartphone users in the world having their privacy tracked to a degree that if they printed to paper what data has been collected, it would easily surpass half a million pages. 
Unfortunately most of the media people railing against CSAM are probably iPhone users. So privacy issue knocked on their door, now they care. How wonderful of them...

lkrupp said:

All the love for China here. I guess it’s a prelude to total acceptance ArchStanton said:

If China is serious then require App tracking to be turned off by default. Now the only thing that can be collected is within a specific app's usage (as it should be).

It would be a punch to the gut for some companies (big and.not so big) and I don't like to see people lose their jobs, but surveillance capitalism isn't something that should have been relied on for mega billions in the first place.  

“Surveillance capitalism”? What kind of babbling bullshit is this? 

You can read either book listed below (or at least do article reading at eff.org). Then you can respond regarding "babbling bullshit" with some knowledge of the subject.

You and your own opinion on the subject not withstanding, it is important to anyone else reading this: make no mistake, huge amounts of your private data is collected by many companies (Google and Facebook are collecting the most, but not even remotely close to the only ones). This is done in significant part thanks to App Tracking (one installed App tracks what you do across your others apps/phone).  If someone thinks this is no big dea, like who I am responding to, then this reply isn't for you. For those that do care, especially ones railing against CSAM with Apple, understand Apple is by far one of the least data collecting Companies out there. And if you are going to be upset about what Apple has done, open your eyes to the massive data collection that is going on constantly. 
Don't take my word for it, request your free emailed copy of your data from Apple, Google, Facebook (just expect Google and Facebook downloads to take a long time). 


How To Destroy Surveillance Capitalism by Cory Doctorow

The Age Of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff

(Both available in e copy)

rcfa said:

The silly exculpatory listing of differences in the systems is useless.

Did Apple leave the Russian market when Russia demanded the installation of Russian government approved apps? Did Apple leave the Russian and Chinese markets, when Russia and China demanded that iCloud servers be located in their countries where government has physical access? Did Apple leave the Chinese market, when VPN apps were requested to be removed from the Chinese AppStore? Did Apple comply when Russia demanded that Telegram be removed from the Russian AppStore? Did Apple leave the UAE when VoIP apps were outlawed there?

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and NO!

And NO will be the answer if these countries require additional databases, direct notification (instead of Apple reviewing the cases), etc.

Once this is baked into the OS, Apple has no leg to stand on, once “lawful” requests from governments are coming.

Apple had to do something, period. CSAM is being used as a bludgeon. Payments systems, banking etc are stopping accepting of payments and like if companies don't "do" something. So take your fight to VISA and Bank of America etc. I strongly prefer privacy be a very important right but that is not the society we live in(see below). Side item, just stop with the Russian and Chinese nonsense, how can someone actually think massive, mega US "intelligence" and law enforcement won't do similar?

So leave Apple(if you are on iOS), go to Android. Governments now won't need to surveil your phone, they just open the door at Google (or Facebook with the backdoor key they have.
If data privacy is important to you then take the fight up a couple dozen notches. Your fight targets are listed in the sentence above (and with hundreds of other companies not named Apple). 

If China is serious then require App tracking to be turned off by default. Now the only thing that can be collected is within a specific app's usage (as it should be).

It would be a punch to the gut for some companies (big and.not so big) and I don't like to see people lose their jobs, but surveillance capitalism isn't something that should have been relied on for mega billions in the first place.