Rogue01

sdw2001 said:

I just don’t see it. The M2 MacBook Pros just came out in January and they were a very serious upgrade from the previous generation. I just bought an M2 Max 16 inch. I think Apple is going to wait until at least January and more likely the spring before going M3.  I could see the iMac getting one probably the max studio. I just don’t think the MacBook pros are going there yet.  Then again, I didn’t think when I bought a G5 iMac (2006) that they would come out with an Intel one 2 months later 🙃

You are comparing the Pro and Max versions with the base model M2.  The M2 did not come out in January 2023.  It came out in June 2022.  The Pro and Max versions, not the same chip as the M2, came out in January 2023.  The M2 is over a year old and overdue for replacement to the M3.  Who knows when Apple will get around to releasing an M3 Pro and M3 Max.

How did you not know that Apple would be releasing an Intel Mac when you bought your iMac G5 in late 2005?  In June 2005 at WWDC, Apple said they would be switching to Intel in 2006.

Haven't any of you been paying attention the last 3 years?  Apple's roadmap is a mess.  Apple will release the M3 and stick it in a Mac mini or an iPad (that makes no sense since iPadOS is crippled), and nothing else.  Apple will continue to sell Macs with outdated processors.  Look at the 2 year old iMac with M1!  Then Apple will skate along for months and then finally get around to migrating the M3 into other Macs, almost a year later, and sell Macs with 1 year old CPUs.  MacBook Air 15" with a 1 year old M2 CPU.  

Some people think the M2 is brand-new.  It came out in June 2022 with the MacBook Pro 13.  One year later, Apple produces the 15" MacBook Air with the 1 year old M2 CPU and suddenly people think the M2 is brand-new.  The Pro and Max versions took forever.  Same with the Ultra.  That is why no one wants to buy a Mac and Mac sales are down.  No one wants to buy a Mac with a 1 year old CPU in it, wondering if they are ever going to get around to updating the line of Macs.

Navigating CarPlay and most stereo features with a jog dial was a nightmare, which is why I never bought a Mazda.  Liked the car, but not the non-touchscreen.  Must quicker to tap something on screen than to use a jog dial to find something to select.  Told the dealer we would not buy the Mazda because of the lack of touchscreen for easier control of CarPlay and the stereo and walked out.  Nice to see they realize their mistake and going back to a touchscreen.

Did Gurman figure this out all by himself?  Apple has had September phone events for years.  Nothing he says is 'new' information.  It was already long expected.  Next year, Apple will have an iPhone 16 event in September 2024.  Gurman will make it sound like no one has ever heard of such a thing.

techconc said:

No matter how you spin it, the M2 Mac Pro is a real disappointment.  Full stop. 

The only excuse I’d give Apple for this disappointment is if they felt it were more important to formally complete the Apple Silicon transition than it was to provide a proper pro machine.  So, if this is a stop gap measure to hold us until this time next year, then fine.

The Mac Pro is meant to be the flagship device… the pinnacle of Mac performance.  Instead, it’s a Mac Studio with PCI slots.  At the very least, an M2 Extreme (2 M2 Ultra chips) is what users are expecting.  Apple seems content on comparing to a 4 year old Intel Mac Pro while ignoring the current Intel / nVidia 4090 based solutions.   That would address the CPU / GPU scalability concerns or at least help mute them.
The other concern is memory.  192 GB is fine for most solutions, but there are very high end needs which go well beyond that.

You nailed it right there.  Three years later and Apple could not finish their Apple Silicon transition, and it has become an embarrassment.  Apple completed the Intel transition of ALL Macs in 270 days.  They didn't know what to do with the Mac Pro because they knew the Intel/nVidia 4090 combination smoked the M1 Ultra in GPU performance.  So they threw in the towel and said F'it.  Just release a half-a$$ Mac Pro with a Mac Studio inside and limited card support, and no GPU card support.  Why not, let's make it $1,000 more than the model it is replacing.  Watch the keynote of the Blue and White G3. Steve Jobs said it best...our Pro customers want expandability and they want easy access inside to all the parts.  Those days are long gone.  Now we have new Macs with one year old CPUs (M2 released June 2022), and an iMac with an almost 3 year old CPU.  Yeah, that's progress and better than Intel's roadmap that saw year after year of upgraded and faster Macs with new CPUs.  So the new Mac Pro - $1,000 price hike, and $3,000 more for slots with limited support.  Even a Pro would not buy this.