Pema

9secondkox2 said:

By now, AI is a known quantity. Reverse engineering and IP theft are not new either. This is just the tip of the proverbial "iceberg" as relates to an incoming swarm of products / services like this. yawn. China is not new to knockoffs, software included. AI is no different. Easy to develop something rapidly when you're copying the work of pioneers who put much of their lives into the work. Should software controlled by a hostile nation be on American's devices? It's an interesting question. But outside of government officials, members of the military, or those with security credentials, probably not too big a concern. But it's worth investigating. It's not like we didn't just have the chinese surveilance devices surveying our nation from the air last year. The less information an adversarial nation has on another nations citizens, the better. It may not be a WMD or whatever, but it's definitely not something to be dismissed.

I am not so sure about this. 

Recall how back in the late 60s and early 70s we used to mock the Japanese, especially their cars. And then gradually they upended the industry and forced us to up our game, in cars, electronics and cameras.

I would not suggest that the Chinese are ripping anyone off, it is just that they are doing it the smart way and we are doing it the hard and unwieldily way. 

Much as Mr Trump wants to make America great again and resurrect the American Empire, going forward it is going to be the Chinese Empire. 

You only need to read books like 'The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire (Gibbons)' or Barbarians at the Gate and realise what's happening with the US. We have become fat and lazy; too much booze and too many drugs; let our guard down at our borders which is exactly what happened with the almighty Romans. 

The Chinese have captured the EV market; they have sown up the manufacturing of just about everything and now they are showing us how AI is done. Marc Andreessen of Mosaic fame calls this the 'Sputnik' moment. When the Russians orbited the earth before we even knew how to build rockets. 

It forced us (remember JFK's famous speech) to wake up, commit billions of dollars, create NASA and land on the moon in 1969. 

Perhaps Trump and this event will force us to wake up and take the reins and rise up out of the ashes or we will continue to sink into oblivion: a nation of lazy drug users who can't get their game together. Our problem is not that we have too many undocumented migrants. Even if we round up and evict every single one of them it won't restore our boldness, vision and greatness. 

That's what is happening here. Blaming the Chinese for stealing our IP is just nonsense and short viewed. 

Once again the Chinese have upended the market. This time with AI. The whole Western model has been debunked.
Kind of reminds me of the 1990s when Oracle and other big name tech titans committed to spend trillions to create the information superhighway with the mantra the first and best would control it. When a little canary in the coal mine tweeted 'hey we have just such a model an it costs nada' it is called the internet and it was invented in the 70s as ARPANET bringing the whole proposed model crashing down. And the rest is history as they say. 
The reason that the Western model is unwieldily is the gargantuan amounts of data and the nuclear processing power required to deliver even a smidgen of info that it becomes like the Russian wristwatch: a clunky face with a car battery required to run it. Not to mention the fact that the smidgen of data is woefully inadequate and wrong most of time. 

China is the future: manufacturing, EV and now AIs. 

Once again the Chinese have upended the market. This time with AI. The whole Western model has been debunked.
Kind of reminds me of the 1990s when Oracle and other big name tech titans committed to spend trillions to create the information superhighway with the mantra the first and best would control it. When a little canary in the coal mine tweeted 'hey we have just such a model an it costs nada' it is called the internet and it was invented in the 70s as ARPANET bringing the whole proposed model crashing down. And the rest is history as they say. 
The reason that the Western model is unwieldily is the gargantuan amounts of data and the nuclear processing power required to deliver even a smidgen of info that it becomes like the Russian wristwatch: a clunky face with a car battery required to run it. Not to mention the fact that the smidgen of data is woefully inadequate and wrong most of time. 

China is the future: manufacturing, EV and now AIs. 

I was intrigued by the article headline. But then I saw who the author is in the byline and decided this was going to be another encyclopedia of the world Part I and gave it a miss. 

Why don't crooks steal from Samsung or Huawei or Ooppo? Probably because it is junk to start with and you can't flog junk.