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anantksundaram said:

rbelize said:

Wow they sound really ‘caucasian’. Hopefully some POC can replace them. 

Welcome to the boards, AOC! Nice to have you here.

We need more POaDG.

That is a lot of acronyms there.  
I am not cool enough to know what they are & can't find them teh interwebs.

DAalseth said:

The new app could be called Friend or Pho(ne)

Nice idea, but I’m sure Apple doesn’t want their product to be labelled Pho(ney). 😀

Beautiful videos.  I had no idea Cuba had a surf scene!  
Looks like it could be tricky to get back onto the rocks after each session.  With my soft feet I would probably be shredded trying to do that.

I see Apple said "...we quickly investigate and, if necessary, take immediate action"

That's great and I appreciate Apple can't always detect what unscrupulous data thieves (like Facebook) do to get personal data from people.
But Apple really need to come down hard on Facebook & Google - not directly and publicly like they did to Flash but by closely examining how Fb steal this data and cutting off access, bit by bit before the WSJ or other bodies find it. 

Surely if the WSJ can think of and find this activity, Apple with its thousands of engineers & tech heritage can do better.

ericthehalfbee said:

carnegie said:

ihatescreennames said:

karmadave said:

There is major distinction between the San Bernardino and Stone cases. In the San Bernardino case, the FBI also wanted Apple to provide a backdoor into the shooter’s iPhone. 

The government can legally obtain a warrant to search your iCloud account (stored on Apple’s servers) however, even with a legally obtained warrant Apple will NOT provide the contents of the device nor will they provide a backdoor.

Since data, such as iMessages and iCloud mail go through Apple’s servers the government can usually get their hands on what they need anyway. All perfectly legal...

Since iMessages are end-to-end encrypted can Apple really provide access to them if I don’t have an iCloud backup?

No. It can't provide the contents of such messages. 

But it will provide iMessage capability query logs pursuant to an 18 USC §2703(d) court order.

If you have selected to back up iMessages to iCloud, then Apple can provide the contents. What do you think happens when you get a new iPhone and do a restore from an iCloud backup? All your iMessages get restored as well.

If you're really concerned about security you wouldn't back anything up to iCloud and do local encrypted backups to your computer via iTunes. Just be aware that if you lose the password for your encrypted backup you lose your data. Apple can't recover an encrypted iTunes backup.

For me I have just about everything set to backup to iCloud. The convenience of having a continuous and up-to-date backup (plus having items shared between devices) far outweighs my worries that the police or other agency are going to ever need to read my iMessages.

Hi Eric,
Sorry mate, but I disagree that Apple have access to the contents of iMessage to iCloud data.
If you parse through the Apple iOS Security Guide it states:

"...CloudKit end-to-end encryption with a CloudKit service key protected by iCloud Keychain syncing. For these CloudKit containers, the key hierarchy is rooted in iCloud Keychain and therefore shares the security characteristics of iCloud Keychain—the keys are available only on the user’s trusted devices, and not to Apple or any third party."

Of course only the E2E functions of iCloud use CloudKit - iMessages, Home Data, iCloud Keychain etc.
The other stuff (email, photos, contacts, non iMessage messages are stored encrypted at rest, but Apple has the key to that and can access that info if it is required to.
It is still a good idea to back up your iPhone to your own computer, but you should be reasonably confident that your CloudKit data will be safe online.  The other stuff, not so much (I'm looking at you, WhatsApp iCloud backups!!).

Also, when you get a new iPhone and restore your messages, you are adding the new iPhone to your 'circle of trust' on your E2E encryption.  This is why you have to authenticate on your Mac etc before you can add the new iPhone.