Honkers

AppleZulu said:

Honkers said:

AppleZulu said:

omasou said:

The problem is that I forget to charge my mouse and only know when the computer warns me that I'm low. Typically, this is in the middle of the day while I'm doing work. Not being able to plug in and continue forwards is a PITA. Flipping the mouse over and charging means that I have to stop what I'm doing until charged. Not feasible.

Really? Not feasible? You’re so intensively busy that you can’t spare two minutes to charge the mouse enough to finish your day? Really? You can’t get to the bathroom, have wee and get back to your desk in two minutes. Takes even longer if you wash your hands properly. It took you more than two minutes to read this thread and respond here. 

You can’t spare two minutes of your day to correct your own error? You could’ve looked in Bluetooth settings on your Mac at any time to check your mouse’s battery level. If constant mousing is so mission critical, you’d think you’d have already established a fail-safe procedure to charge the mouse every night or at least every weekend to assure you’d never run into a critical two-minute road block in the middle of your busy, busy day. 

Or, Apple could just put the damn charging port on the front of the mouse like every other damn manufacturer and we wouldn't have to put up with these interminable questions and compromises at all.

Does it not bother you that no other mouse has this problem, only Apple's?  That no other mouse requires you to check the bluetooth settings  battery level every day?  That no other mouse requires an overnight fail-safe routine to ensure you're able to keep using a mouse during the day?  Are you even listening to your own questions and how ridiculous your apologism sounds?

It's an absurd design choice, and one that should have been fixed a long time ago.  Hell it should never have happened in the first place, critical thought was absent in that design session.

Ah, but this question of what should bother a person is my whole point. The tiny inconvenience of plugging your mouse in for two minutes on the rare occasion it hits zero while you’re using it is not commensurate with the fury that stirs among a few wide-eyed angry people every time the opportunity to complain about it arises here. 

You mistake annoyance and bafflement at a bizarre design for fury.  You've written more words in this thread than any other single person by a significant margin.  Should I categorise your response as furious and wide eyed?  Why do you care so much?

Being diverted for a couple of minutes is among the smallest of first-world inconveniences that should yield mild, unremarked annoyance at most, yet here we are. 

People don't expect to be inconvenienced by products that they spend money on, especially when other similar products have no such inconvenience.  Shocker.

The Apple Pencil requires a similar amount of time to recover when it bottoms out. The original had to be plugged in, either to the port on the bottom of the iPad, or with an adapter to a lightning cable. I’ve never tried using it while it’s plugged in to the wire, so I don’t know if it would work while plugged in. It’d be weird if it does. The current, improved design only charges by magnetically attaching it to the side of your iPad, so you definitely have to stop whatever you’re doing to charge that one. Where is the rage about that giant inconvenience?

The magnetic attachment is where it's stored.  It charges every time you store it.  People don't encounter this issue nearly as much because the design works.  And even if the issue is encountered, the fact that you don't have to go and find a cable, and it doesn't prevent other operation of the iPad (we all have fingers) probably mitigates it a fair amount.  It's a very different scenario.

For that matter, the MacBook Pro, iPad and iPhone all are briefly unusable if you wait until they hit zero before recharging. Sure, you can leave them plugged in once you get back up and going, but you’ll be dead in the water while these devices restart for longer than you’re inconvenienced while charging a Magic Mouse enough to finish the day. 

You can use any of those devices while plugged in.  When you get the battery warning you can plug it in and continue as you were.  Hell you can use them permanetently plugged in if you want.  That's the entire issue with the Magic Mouse!  You literally cannot use it at all while it's charging because of its goofy design.  You've got so wrapped up in whatabouts that you've missed what the issue is.

So no, I’m not bothered. I am baffled, however, by why anyone would be so bothered by such a mild inconvenience. 

People are bothered by every inconvenience.  No one likes being inconvenienced.  Baffled that you're baffled.

In fact, I think no one really is bothered by the inconvenience. Sometimes the issue isn’t really the issue. I think they’re just bothered by an aesthetic design decision that they would make differently. But since it’s much harder to insist in absolute terms that you’re right and someone else is wrong about an aesthetic design choice, it’s the inconvenience that’s cited, even though outrage over the occasional diversion of two minutes is demonstrably silly when compared to all the other things that create a similar or even longer diversion. 

Yeah, they're bothered by that too.  It's a stupid design and stupid design bothers people.

AppleZulu said:

omasou said:

The problem is that I forget to charge my mouse and only know when the computer warns me that I'm low. Typically, this is in the middle of the day while I'm doing work. Not being able to plug in and continue forwards is a PITA. Flipping the mouse over and charging means that I have to stop what I'm doing until charged. Not feasible.

Really? Not feasible? You’re so intensively busy that you can’t spare two minutes to charge the mouse enough to finish your day? Really? You can’t get to the bathroom, have wee and get back to your desk in two minutes. Takes even longer if you wash your hands properly. It took you more than two minutes to read this thread and respond here. 

You can’t spare two minutes of your day to correct your own error? You could’ve looked in Bluetooth settings on your Mac at any time to check your mouse’s battery level. If constant mousing is so mission critical, you’d think you’d have already established a fail-safe procedure to charge the mouse every night or at least every weekend to assure you’d never run into a critical two-minute road block in the middle of your busy, busy day. 

Or, Apple could just put the damn charging port on the front of the mouse like every other damn manufacturer and we wouldn't have to put up with these interminable questions and compromises at all.

Does it not bother you that no other mouse has this problem, only Apple's?  That no other mouse requires you to check the bluetooth settings  battery level every day?  That no other mouse requires an overnight fail-safe routine to ensure you're able to keep using a mouse during the day?  Are you even listening to your own questions and how ridiculous your apologism sounds?

It's an absurd design choice, and one that should have been fixed a long time ago.  Hell it should never have happened in the first place, critical thought was absent in that design session.

davidw said:

gatorguy said:

AppleZulu said:

aldanno said:

Just imagine if Circle K was forced to carry every brand candy, soda and beer. Also imagine they weren't free to mark-up their product prices as they saw fit! No one is asking the Apple Retail Stores to stock every iPhone charger, or competing smart phones? Why is the digital store different? Especially in Europe, they also won't let you sell car parts that haven't been 'certified' to not compromise their safety or environmental standards. Are they planning on setting up an international body to 'certify' apps as not harmful to the operating system or other apps?

I don't get it.

The third-party app store requirements have a deeper twist for your analogy to be accurate. They would be like requiring Circle K to give others free floor space to stock their own tems which they will sell directly so as not to give Circle K a cut, and to prevent Circle K from imposing any review or requirements on the third-party items to prevent them from interfering with Circle K's operations or even to prevent them from burning down the Circle K store entirely.

IMO it's more like the old west mining towns, or coal-mining Kentuckians back in the 1890's and 1930's. Because someone lived or worked in the company-built town, all their purchases of food and supplies could only come from the company store. Any proprietor's stores that dared open might be burned down and the owners run out of town. Workers were kept behind gates or fences with the excuse that they were “protecting” laborers from unscrupulous traveling salesmen.

https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.edu/programs/housing/company-towns-1890s-to-1935

That eventually became illegal of course.

The US never made "company towns" illegal. Most of them had to close down because the industry that they were built for were no longer viable. And a lot of them close down because of workers revolt, not because the government made them illegal. Even from your link .....

>However, government observers maintained that Pullman’s principles were accurate, in that he provided his employees with a quality of life otherwise unattainable to them, but recognized that his excessive paternalism was inappropriate for a large-scale corporate economy and thus caused the town’s downfall.  In 1898, the Illinois Supreme Court required Pullman to dissolve their ownership of the town.<

The SCOTUS only force Pullman to dissolve ownership of town properties, that weren't related to Pullman's industry. The SCOTUS did not rule "company towns" illegal and force all of them to shut down.

Here some some historical facts of some other "company towns" that existed well after the SCOTUS forced Pullman to dissolve their town.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/g34498423/company-towns-to-visit/

Oh, here's one that you might be interested in.

https://techhq.com/2023/06/company-towns-new-google-building/

But the latest is that Google will not go ahead as plan because of the economy. Not because "company towns" are illegal. So long as Google wasn't planning to pay employees in "Google Bucks", that could only be used to pay for rent or to shop in ...... "GoogleTown".

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/21/googles-80-acre-san-jose-mega-campus-on-hold-amid-economic-slowdown-.html

And about the worker being force to shop at the "company town" store, that was not the main compliant by the "company towns" workers. Their main complaint was that they were being paid in "scrips", that could only be use to buy stuff in the "company town" stores. Workers wanted to be paid in cash, so they can choose to spend their pay elsewhere, besides the "company town" stores. Eventually, being paid in "scrips" in place of being paid in legal tender for work performed, was made illegal.

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/wealth-management/scrips/

Jfc, what is this community notes bullshit.  Have a conversation, don't just look for opportunities to deal out a lecture.

CelticPaddy said:

lmasanti said:

Maybe… just maybe… Apple convinced GSM to put E2EE into the standard.
Then… Apple will be include RCS in its Ones.

Simple!

Apple can even ‘help’ in the effort.
Apple gave its tech to build Qi2, Matter, the new key standard…

Not gonna happen. Illegal in most countries, including the U.S. 

Huh?  What's illegal?

9secondkox2 said:

Xi shouldn’t even be allowed to step foot here. 

It’s ridiculous that America (and Apple, Google, etc) looks the other way to his human rights atrocities and dictatorial ambitions just because of money. 

Now he wants to forcibly devour a nice profitable and free country to make it his own. Wars have been fought for less. We used to be the international policeman. But now the chief is dazed and confused most of the time and refuses to take the rich criminals to task. 

Xi has formed strong bonds with Russia and our California, federal, and tech leaders (newsom, Biden, and cook) welcome him? Would they do that with Putin? Only if he had more money to offer, apparently. 

Newsom even magically found a way to cure the years-long homeless issue and clean up the streets of San Fran in weeks to roll out the clean carpet for Xi. For XI! Wish I was making this up. Couldn’t do it for the residents snd constitents. But for sn evil dictator with money? No prob. 

Good luck effecting change if you refuse to talk with the people who you need to change.