KalMadda

No lies involved, simply a delay in feature rollout due to last minute issues requiring reworking to fix.  The ad clearly said “coming in a future update”.  Apple never said that was currently possible with the public version of Siri, they said it will eventually be possible with a future software update, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that isn’t still the case…  Apple says they anticipate rolling out the features within the next year.  Now that they’re done whining about how bad the iPhone 16e supposedly is because it doesn’t have MagSafe, these tech writers need a new artificial scandal to whine about.  And so they’ve turned a simple delay of feature rollout into claims of Apple “lying”, “misleading”, claiming the features “never existed”, were “never under development”, etc., when there’s zero evidence for any of those claims, and zero reason to believe them…  We actually have many good reasons to believe Apple is developing these features, and simply ran into last minute issues that will require a delay.  For one, Gurman cited internal sources numerous times about the features when saying they would release in 18.4, and then later when he said they were potentially looking at a delay to 18.5.  I’m really getting sick and tired of tech writers making claims like this with absolutely zero evidence.  It’s wrong to falsely accuse companies and/or people of “lying” and such when there is absolutely no evidence to support those accusations.  It’s merely someone’s conjecture, and much of this comes across like school children throwing tantrums because they didn’t get what they wanted right now this instant and will have to wait…

gatorguy said:

KalMadda said:

I think people are being way too hard on Apple over this.  For all we know, it sounds like they actually did have these features most of the way completed, but ran into issues later in the process, and so now have to spend time repairing and reworking elements.  And the ads they ran were very clear that those features weren’t available yet.  Sometimes things come up and happen, I’d rather they spend the time to fix whatever issues they ran into with it then them rushing it out for release…

"If these features exist in any sort of working state at all, no one outside Apple has vouched for their existence, let alone for their quality....
 Why did Apple show these personalized Siri features at WWDC last year, and promise their arrival during the first year of Apple Intelligence? Why, for that matter, do they now claim to “anticipate rolling them out in the coming year” if they still currently do not exist in demonstratable form? And now they look so out of their depth, so in over their heads, that not only are they years behind the state-of-the-art in AI, but they don’t even know what they can ship or when.

Their headline features from nine months ago not only haven’t shipped but still haven’t even been demonstrated, which I, for one, now presume means they can’t be demonstrated because they don’t work."

Mark Gurman reported info about them from his sources, first saying they would be ready by 18.4, then saying they had been delayed to 18.5 due to issues that arose with the features.  So there is no reason to believe they don’t exist at all.  Creating AI features like this with privacy and security is a difficult task, and likely they discovered an issue with it recently after the features were most of the way completed that will require some reworking to fix.  That’s the way complex software like this ends up working out sometimes.  There is absolutely zero reason to believe the features don’t exist.

Furthermore, Apple basically never demonstrates unreleased software features before they’re in beta to journalists or any outside sources, so expecting that is incredibly unreasonable.  Just because Apple hasn’t shown these features to journalists doesn’t mean they don’t exist.  That’s a preposterous leap that doesn’t even make any semblance of logical sense…

I think people are being way too hard on Apple over this.  For all we know, it sounds like they actually did have these features most of the way completed, but ran into issues later in the process, and so now have to spend time repairing and reworking elements.  And the ads they ran were very clear that those features weren’t available yet.  Sometimes things come up and happen, I’d rather they spend the time to fix whatever issues they ran into with it then them rushing it out for release…

danox said:

libertyandfree said:

At this point Siri has to be an embarrassment to Apple.  It seems to be so far behind and slipping even further by the month. It’s so strange since it began with a large lead.  This doesn’t bode well for Apple software development.  

I want Robbie the robot AI? Sure, it’s behind the competition not, one test I would like to see in the future on mobile and on desktop systems is what happens when you turn off the internet connection and then test the so-called AI capabilities of the systems Apple is in competition with? Apple software/hardware development certainly is easily better than the competition.

Why because Apple controls the OS and the hardware Microsoft is missing in action in mobile tablets, watches and headgear and even has third parties in the kernel to boot, Samsung has no In-house OS, and no in-house SOC in their mobile devices in the USA (their flagship phones SOC (made by Qualcomm which are barely ahead of the Apple 12 series which is 5 years old), Googles flagship phone has an SOC that’s six years behind Apple (which is just behind the 11 series Pro iPhone, and no desktop or tablet OS or computers worth talking about, but it’s Apple that’s doomed and behind sure….

https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks  Apple is years ahead and just about every area, SOC/tablet/desktop/watch and even further ahead in SOC hardware/ OS software integration, across mobile/desktop/headgear/watches. The competition has released bits and pieces of Me-too gear combined with even worse software integration thru the years.

Exactly, well said!  Apple is far ahead of the competition in virtually every way.  People like to criticize Siri, but what they don’t realize is that Siri is far more work and effort involved than things like Gemini which absolutely need an internet connection to function.  Siri works on-device, so it will continue to work on cellular deadspots and without WiFi.  Obviously some functionality won’t work without a network connection, but much of it will work fine.  People also don’t realize how much more difficult it is to create an AI assistant like Siri while maintaining user privacy.  Apple has had to come up with many measures to ensure their user’s data isn’t visible to them or others, while competitors like Google don’t care about user privacy, and are actively trying to collect user data.

Absolutely.  Samsung has been copying Apple in numerous ways for years.  Even down to software design choices, they’ve based app icon designs off Apple’s icons, copied Apple’s software features, etc.  For all that Samsung pretends Apple is “falling behind” or whatever, Apple has clobbered Samsung on customer satisfaction nearly every year.  Because Apple’s designs are meant to work well, not just add a bunch of cheap gimmicks that are useless to most people.  Samsung’s folding phones in their current state are junk.  You have this gross sticky feeling plasticy screen, and it has a crease in it.  The whole thing feels very fragile.  And it is in fact fragile.  This is why Apple has not produced a folding smartphone yet, because they care about offering a quality experience, not just rushing to market to be “the first” with a crappy design.  Eventually if Apple does make a foldable iPhone, it will likely be much better designed than the ones Samsung is selling…