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Apple Vision Pro early review: a peek into the future of computing
Too much for what? It doesn't work as a logical argument that Apple have so much money that they must be setting prices higher than people can afford.Xed said:
With that answer many people will see that as proof that Apple charges too much.paisleydisco said:GolferTechGuru said:
The problem with Apple is they just don't understand pricing - never have.Apple is a $3 trillion company. >
Exit stage left, sir.
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Apple Vision Pro early review: a peek into the future of computing
Building demand that you dramatically can't supply to is wasteful. Playstation 5 has mass appeal to tens of millions of customers, something that AVP was never going to have out of the gate. And even then, as the supply has risen to meet demand Sony has significantly reduced its bill of materials for the PS5 to the point of unit profitability.nubus said:
Sony Playstation 5 - massive queues and branding. Apple at the first many iPhone launches - TV coverage, community building, massive queues. Building demand is not stupid. And Apple has failed again and again on pricing. The last decade of Mac Pro (too little, too late, too expensive), G4 Cube, Lisa (ended in a landfill), Anniversary Mac (78% discount directly by Apple), first iPhone (ended with Apple handing out gift cards), HomePod (original) - priced to let Sonos and Amazon take the market, iPod Hi-Fi (never updated),... a stream of Apple products that were over-engineered and/or overpriced. At this price it is just another toy for rich kids.Respite said:
They've sold every AVP they've made so far, and they haven't even launched internationally. Underpricing "for market share" would be leaving money on the table, and utterly stupid.
You include the original iPhone in both your list of building demand successes, and Apple pricing failures, which is frankly incoherent.
And most of the products you've listed were not products that they could have leveraged high demand for. The iPod Hi-Fi was not a loss leader, there were no supplemental sales to be had to make up the margin. Same with most of those computers. Sony make money on every Playstation 5 console, they price that in to their calculations, and even then they ultimately end up selling the console for a profit after the initial period. Apple don't make enough from App Store sales to make up a $2000 deficit on the original sale and would therefore need to support it with margins from other parts of the business. That's Meta's strategy, and it is massive risk madness.
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Apple Vision Pro early review: a peek into the future of computing
They've sold every AVP they've made so far, and they haven't even launched internationally. Underpricing "for market share" would be leaving money on the table, and utterly stupid.GolferTechGuru said:I see posts to buy Apple Stock?? At $3,500 (note: plus a lot of tax, so like $4K) a headset, people had BETTER buy stock.
The problem with Apple is they just don't understand pricing - never have. They're so heck-bent on immediate profits, that they miss the big picture. They could have launched at $1,500 and immediately captured more market share, with significant stock jumps like Meta. The problem will always be the same with their bigger ticket items. Someone should tell them they can make money later on, soon after they get the headset on as many heads as humanly possible.
And now - here we go!!! You've got boneheads and other countries selling these things from $5K all the way up to $10K - which is a complete joke and actually an invitation for lawsuits and other legal issues. And it already started with Scammers scamming people... Get This! = I just stumbled on a blog about 3 imitation headsets built in China that do nothing more than cast iPhone screens onto the 2 screens inside the "headset". Your basic wireless Bluetooth/Airplay connections and Whammo! Scammed! Ouch. (The funny part is I hear Apple expected it - I mean Duh!) This is just the beginning.... Man oh Man!!!And History will prove this: Sorry Folks, this is going to be the first iPhone. When it's actually "ready" and perhaps worth a few grand, it will be the vision Pro 20. We will look back at these massive goggles and it will be funny - future kids will giggle at the size and simplicity. So now, the majority of Americans sit and wait - as they should!!We have also discovered Apple is offering payment programs, like an Affirm, but then you have credit checks, and while Apple profits, more and more Americans will add significantly much more to their already overwhelming credit debt.Sure, who doesn't want floating screens, dinosaurs coming at you in 3D and keyboards for email and texting!? For now though, our phones work every time, all the time and we can currently Cast/Airplay to a large screen to watch Jason Bourne. Bet that Apple will likely add block/limits to controls for casting soon, and force the "need". But that's precisely the kind of marketing and control that keeps limiting them - they drive me nuts!! LMAO.Want a very good Macbook? You need to be well off. Want the first Vision Pro, you need to be well off. Want the best phone? Pay up.It's Apple for some, not for others. THAT'S Apple, and it's ridiculous.
I would have dropped this first launch at the $1,500 price point, get these things everywhere and watch my stock skyrocket. Instead, all they've done is drop a massive wall between the rich and poor, desperate and ignorant, and started us all down the road of TicketMaster-Resale battles, scams and madness. Go check out the stock price this morning? ... So in the tune of Nickelodeon? Dip, dip, dip, dip, da-dip, dip, dip.... Dip-I-told you-so!!!!
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$300 Vision Pro developer strap is just an expensive USB2 device
Could be that they want to be careful of generating loads of heat right next to your ear.Mike Wuerthele said:
No, that's the strange part. It's electrically USB-C. Right now, I think that the connector inside the headset is in theory capable of higher speeds, but Apple just isn't willing it so.godofbiscuitssf said:Mike Wuerthele said:
We have, and nothing works.cipnrkorvo said:Any chance this allows for connecting other USB accessories (like Apple dongles or a USB key?)
Has any developer tried that out?Is it usb2 hardware?
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$300 Vision Pro developer strap is just an expensive USB2 device
Nm, found it on another site. So it doesn't replace the band, it replaces the right strap that houses the right speaker and is part of the band of the AVP unit itself. And it just has a USB-A dongle goofily hanging out of it.
Interesting that there are all these Lightning-like connectors in the AVP.
