dreyfus2

Really do not care if it says Apple on the box, I might even get the 5k model due to lack of alternatives. But even if Apple gets out of the monitor business (and several other ones I assume, Airports and Time Machines seem to be equally forgotten and behind), can't they extend their collaboration with these third parties to give them some designs? Hooking a $4k+ laptop beauty up to something that ugly just hurts.

rotateleftbyte said:

Strange that HP sold an Elitebook four years ago capable of taking 32Gb of DDR3. Ok, it did use a desktop CPU but for VM use it was fantastic. Can't get anywhere near that even today with Apple.

Well, that is a different story. Their workstation class machines can even be upgraded with desktop Xeons and up to 64 GB ECC RAM... But these configurations do not compare to the MBP at all. These are heavy machines with almost no battery life, Apple was never in that business.

The only question is why they do not even offer what could be done since almost 12 months. I7 laptop quads and 32 GB DDR4 LV works just fine for everybody, just not for Apple.

sflocal said:

The 16GB limit is a hard limit because of Intel.  Not Apple.  People need to accept that and get over it.  I don't want Apple putting in a desktop CPU in a laptop and then people complain about heat and battery life.  16GB (for now) is plenty and makes a good balance between power and mobility.  If you're running 4 VM's 24x7 and every MacOS app concurrently, it's great that it can but perhaps you should be looking for a desktop machine.

That is just wrong on every level. The i7 quad core CPUs in the MBPs DO support up to 32 GB of DDR4 RAM (Dell and HP laptops using exactly the same CPUs can be bought with 32GB. I know, because I have one. And no, wrong again, there are no desktop CPUs involved anywhere.) Yes, there is a penalty on battery life (less than 10% overall) since it is "regular" DDR4 LV and not LPDDR4, but if I want 9 hours and 32 GB or 10 hours and the 16 GB RAM limit from 2007 should be a choice. Apple does not need to offer dozens of configurations like others, but two configurations should be doable.

audiounit said:

Can someone confirm that Thunderbolt 3 can daisy chain... I watched the keynote and looked through there website and all they advertise is 4 devices connected to it. It's not like apple to not show a feature off, which makes me worry. Why doesn't the new thunderbolt 3 monitor have only USB-C out not thunderbolt 3. Those diagrams with the displays should be laptop>display>storage device etc... I have many Thunderbolt 2 devices all daisy chained 4 ports are not even close to enough I hope these adapters don't break this feature. I would love it if someone could link something official showing that this feature is active on the new MacBook Pro's 2016.

Let me quote this...

Transferring data at speeds of up to 40 Gbps, which is two times faster than Thunderbolt 2 and eight times faster than USB 3, Thunderbolt 3 delivers the fastest connection to any dock, display, or device. You can also daisy-chain up to six Thunderbolt devices through a single port without needing a hub or a switch. 

From: http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/

I have absolutely no problems with most of Apple's decisions (that's why I have ordered a nearly complete - only the 1 TB SSD, everything else top of the line - 15" MBP within minutes of store availability after the keynote. And I have no second thoughts about it at all. 

I can live without all removed ports (the one port I truly need - Ethernet - has been absent from my Retina MBP since 2012; and no, I did not expect it to make a comeback). I love the new keyboard (I played with the 13" base model in the Apple store, and it is perfect), love the bigger trackpad and the new screen is absolutely adorable. Performance is absolutely fine unless you want to game, in which case a Mac is a stupid idea in the first place. I have rarely seen the glowing Apple logo - always been on the other side, and while I loved the first generation MagSafe, the second generation was a dud and is not missed at all. And the things I truly miss (sleep light and external battery indicators) are unfortunately long gone.

I absolutely look forward to using the new Touch Bar, because the concept is making a lot of sense. (I do have a XPS 15 for Hyper-V stuff and I turned its touch screen off in the firmware, because it is good for absolutely nothing. It is a checkmark item without any value whatsoever.) Still, and that criticism simply is true: A lot of demanding users would have preferred 8 hrs of battery life with 32 GB DDR4 RAM over 10 hours with 16 GB LPDDR3, especially since most "pro" (quotes intentional) tasks are performed while being plugged in anyhow. At Apple's margins offering both would not have been such a stretch, especially since they likely sell more models in the $3k - $5k bracket than all competitors combined. They have to live with this criticism.