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I am among those still using a mid 2012 non-retina 15" MBP. My daughter gave me this machine as a christmas present in late 2012. Without question, a fine example of solid engineering. This machine was the last of the totally user repairable notebooks Apple made. This machine has a full compliment of ports with NO dongles needed! I upgraded the ram over time to its max 16GB. I upgraded the HDD several times (started life as a 256MB HDD). I swapped out the super drive (CD/DVD burner) for an SSD (initially a relatively small one to just hold the OS). I upgraded the SSD to a larger one and rolled the SSD and HDD into a FUSION drive using the tools apple made available to anyone comfortable with the command line, which I ran with zero issues for several years. I upgraded to 1TB SSD and a 1TB HDD and moved to APFS once Catalina came along using the HDD as an in-machine daily clone backup drive (used SuperDuper until Big Sur negated the ability to easily create a bootable clone). The 1TB HDD is still used as an in-machine Time Machine drive for Big Sur. I have replaced the keyboard only ONCE in that entire time. I have replaced the battery twice. Both fans have been replaced and most recently I replaced the right side speakers as the woofer section had started to rattle. I upgraded the machine to Big Sur using a popular patching program along with an upgrade to the latest Broadcom WiFi/BT card (thanks to an enterprising young man) and am running 11.2 currently with no issues outside the ones that are plaguing even the newest MBPs. The logic board nor the display on this machine have ever faltered. This machine is fast, reliable and delight to use. While the new MBPs are lighter and have longer battery life, they hold little performance edge over this machine in my day to day use of the machine as INTEL has done little to really advance processors in a meaningful way over the years since this machine was designed.
I am aware that eventually, I will have to break down and buy a new MBP. The new M series processors are a harbinger that the time for such a change is approaching sooner than later. However, I will never again own a computing device that will work as hard, as reliably, for such a long time as my trusty mid 2012 15" MBP.
The black SS DLC is STILL available, but they have made it exclusive the Hermes edition. The cheapest version is now just pennies under $1300. I have purchased the black SS every year since series 0 and was really bummed by the move. I debated not messing with the Series 6 but decided to try the space black titanium case as it should still match my original series 0 black stainless link band and all the other bands that I have collected over these years.
The_Martini_Cat said:Ha ha does this include the 50-cent deposit on your shopping cart? Last time I was at Aldi there were 3 people gathered around the shopping cart dispenser trying to figure it out. (I just carried a bag in with me ... & the checker-outer wouldn't even put my groceries into it. DIY as-much-as-possible) Cheers!
We really like Aldi for a lot of items and shop there pretty much weekly so Apple Pay will just make it all the better!
No but running Terminal from the 10.3 partition you'd still be left with the 10.13 recovery partition and in the particular situation I was trying to explore that would surely be problematic wouldn't it as I was wanting to have a virgin SSD to initialize for 10.12 and ..... oh heck I don't know lol. Let me know how it went.
As to CCC being up to speed, it can as of my last reading still not make a bootable clone off of a 10.3/APFS disk on an HFS+, but I may have read that incorrectly. I'll have to go back and re read the notes. I haven't even tried so perhaps I should. My entertainment was deleting the damn boot APFS SSD and re using the same SSD as HFS+.
Second, the terminal command diskutil apfs deleteContainer disk# works perfectly. You have to use diskutil apfs list to determine the disk# assigned to the APFS container. It leaves you with an HFS+ formatted volume (or two if you start with a Fusion Drive). Yes, EVERYTHING on the APFS volume is GONE, so a clone becomes essential unless you want to just start with nothing more than a vanilla macOS install.
I am now running my High Sierra environment that was on an AFPS Fusion volume on a HFS+ Fusion Volume. Took most of the day to compete the steps.
So, I started with a so-so working APFS 10.13 PB2 environment.
After loading up the 30 day trial of CCC (latest beta), I was able to make a clone to an external FW drive. Presently while CCC beta can READ APFS, it can ONLY write HFS+, so the clone IS HFS+ but this is what I wanted anyway.
Then I rebooted into the clone and verified that while slow (FW800) it was fully operational.
Then I opened up terminal mode (remember I am in 10.13 at this point) and issued the diskutil apfs deleteContainer command, which removed the APFS container as well as the Fusion drive linkages
Then I recreated my Fusion drive (4 additional terminal commands) formatted as HFS+
Then I downloaded a fresh copy of the HS PB2 and had it install to the newly reconsitituted Fusion Drive.
Then I did a migration of the CCC cloned data over to the Fusion drive
After I allowed the kernel extensions to load (SIP has been tightened up in HS), everything came up.
Of course the majority of time was spent in making the CCC clone (about 2.3 hours) and then the migration back of my data once I had a clean HS install. The actual APFS container deletion and Fusion Drive recreation took maybe 15 minutes total.
I could have just as easily restored my 10.12.5 clone rather than installing a fresh copy of 10.13 and migrating my 10.13 data. I wanted to give 10.13 a chance as the issues I was starting to see were all APFS related.
Yes, the key to this is to start with a clone or clean install of 10.13 so that you can boot into it and then remove the APFS mess on your normal boot drive.