razorpit

crowley said:

razorpit said:

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

Thankfully the world disagrees with this myopic mindset. 

Maybe yours does, but for the most part the real world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or anyone else. It sounds harsh, but so is the real world. If “the world” cared you wouldn’t have the world you have.

That's why we establish rights, doofus, to mold the world that we want to live in.

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

SpamSandwich said:

cat52 said:

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

razorpit said:

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

Thankfully the world disagrees with this myopic mindset. 

Maybe yours does, but for the most part the real world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or anyone else. It sounds harsh, but so is the real world. If “the world” cared you wouldn’t have the world you have.

I’ll wager I have seen a lot more of the world than you have and yes the consensus of people is that human rights are very real. 

Yeah, human rights is a big misnomer...

Should clean water be a human right?  I think all of us here would say 'yes', and yet there are plenty of places in Africa which still don't have clean water.

So @razorpit is correct I'm afraid, the world just doesn't give two f*cks.

The only “rights” which really matter are those which are legally defensible from predation by government AND from mobs. This is why I like the US Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

LOL... It's the government that codifies, enforces and supports those rights.   They are there BECAUSE of government, not in spite of government.   Yeh, sometimes the people have to nudge things along a little -- thus we saw suffrage movement in the early 20th century, the race riots in the 60's and now again in the 2020's.   But eventually, the government catches up and codifies, enforces and supports those rights.

...or not, in the case of governments such as the People's Republic of China, that are backtracking on already poor human rights records.

Back to right wing China propaganda again?   Yawn....

By the way, U.S. record on human rights is far worse than China's.   They don't shoot black people in the back there. 

Certainly not; China would shoot them cleanly and efficiently in a hospital, and then harvest their organs.

https://www.healtheuropa.eu/im-going-to-china-theyre-shooting-my-donor/97063/

"What do you know about the current situation regarding forced organ harvesting in China?

My understanding is that China is still performing a large number of transplants – far more than any official figures would indicate – and that vast [quantities of] organs are sourced from prisoners of conscience.

A lot of those prisoners are Falun Gong practitioners, who are still incarcerated in large numbers; but based on evidence that some women gave who have been incarcerated in the Uyghur prisons fairly recently, almost certainly people from the Uyghur community are being harvested as well.

What first drew your attention to the forced organ harvesting of prisoners of conscience in China?

I was watching the film Hard to Believe [a 2016 documentary investigating forced organ harvesting in China], which was produced by Kay Rubacek and directed by Ken Stone. It presents itself as a mystery: all these transplants are happening in China, where could all the organs be coming from? It’s a very compelling documentary, and I saw it and I thought: goodness. I hadn’t really been aware of the nature of the allegations of what was happening in China."

Your cognitive dissonance with be palpable should President Trump not re-elected, and the next administration continues a hardline on China, which is likely.

I didn't even bother to read your China obsessed nonsense.

This thread is not about China.   Try not to hijack it

LOL.

Human Rights, or lack thereof, is most certainly an issue with China, but nice attempt at deflection.

Sorry, no deflection.  The article never mentioned China or anything about China.   It is you who introduced it and me who called you on it.  You seem obsessed.

entropys said:

I find it hard to believe Apple would make a cheaper plastic model, unless it is in very bright pastel colours that just won’t do with the dinner suit.

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

razorpit said:

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

Thankfully the world disagrees with this myopic mindset. 

Maybe yours does, but for the most part the real world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or anyone else. It sounds harsh, but so is the real world. If “the world” cared you wouldn’t have the world you have.

I’ll wager I have seen a lot more of the world than you have and yes the consensus of people is that human rights are very real. 

StrangeDays said:

elijahg said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

I agree, Cook needs to stop using Apple as a political platform. There is nothing to gain by doing so and a lot to lose. Jobs never did it because he knew what a hole he could dig himself and Apple.

SpamSandwich said:

elijahg said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

I agree, Cook needs to stop using Apple as a political platform. There is nothing to gain by doing so and a lot to lose. Jobs never did it because he knew what a hole he could dig himself and Apple.

Jobs was political and he made contributions to his political party of choice, but he never advertised that fact and never sought attention for it. This is an unfortunate failing of Tim Cook to not always keep focus on Apple the company and their products.

razorpit said:

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

SpamSandwich said:

There is no such thing as “human rights.” If there was, everyone would have them. Apple should stop buckling to pressure from radical progressive groups and stay laser-focused on products and profitability. If any execs from Apple want to be political, they should do it on their own time and not use Apple’s money to do it.

Thankfully the world disagrees with this myopic mindset. 

Maybe yours does, but for the most part the real world doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or anyone else. It sounds harsh, but so is the real world. If “the world” cared you wouldn’t have the world you have.

Jesus I see the cranks are on parade. Is it a full moon? Sorry but no, discussing an organization’s values, including human rights, gay rights, etc, does not mean one person (Cook) is using Apple as a  political platform. You’re just trying to rationalize your form of unpopular opinion. Apple is and has always been a liberal place...As Jobs often said they’re the intersection of technology and liberal arts. Education, gay rights, HIV research, etc...nothing new for Apple. Just hard for crankpots to accept. Get out of Apple if you don’t like it. But you won’t.