razorpit

GeorgeBMac said:

razorpit said:

GeorgeBMac said:

razorpit said:

GeorgeBMac said:

qwerty52 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

qwerty52 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

I was going to make a joke about market freedom in a country literally run by crime families, then realized that's no different than the situation in the United States right now.

There is a difference: here you can give any comment you want about the government and it wil happened nothing to you . But If you give  the same comment  as a Russian in Russia to the Russian government, it will be not your best day 

While that MIGHT be true, what he said is completely true and accurate.   Don't cover up corruption with the Freedom banner.   It's been overused and its getting worn out.

Any way the combination of corruption and freedom is better, than the combination of corruption without freedom. By the second one you are  not allowed even to think about “The government of my country is corrupt”

We only have Trump's word that China is corrupt.   And we know what that is worth.   So far, when asked for evidence supporting his allegations he has consistently come up empty.  

You really need to get away from “Apple News” as your primary news source. There’s a lot you are apparently missing out on.

The only thing i use Apple News for to check on the mostly conservative Wall Street Journal.   But thanks for the tip!

I was referring to curated/censored news, thus the quotes. Much easier than saying CNN, MSNBC, NYT, PBS, Wall Street Journal, etc.

LOL....   So because they don't parrot the right wing propaganda sites and instead make verified, impartial reports (and correct any mistakes if they make one) makes them "curated/censored news"?    Gee I didn't know that!  I guess i'll have to watch FauxNews more!

GeorgeBMac said:

jcs2305 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

qwerty52 said:

GeorgeBMac said:

qwerty52 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

I was going to make a joke about market freedom in a country literally run by crime families, then realized that's no different than the situation in the United States right now.

There is a difference: here you can give any comment you want about the government and it wil happened nothing to you . But If you give  the same comment  as a Russian in Russia to the Russian government, it will be not your best day 

While that MIGHT be true, what he said is completely true and accurate.   Don't cover up corruption with the Freedom banner.   It's been overused and its getting worn out.

Any way the combination of corruption and freedom is better, than the combination of corruption without freedom. By the second one you are  not allowed even to think about “The government of my country is corrupt”

We only have Trump's word that China is corrupt.   And we know what that is worth.   So far, when asked for evidence supporting his allegations he has consistently come up empty.  

So Trump is the only one in the world claiming that China is corrupt? Really?

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Yeh, pretty much.   (Along with his right wing sycophants and propaganda sites of course!)

verne arase said:

GeorgeBMac said:

If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.

The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.

You're very gullible.

The truth is that pretty much all autocracies are inimical to our way of life.

Russia has a deep-rooted jealous antagonism because they lost the cold war and revel in past glories, and China has been fighting an undeclared war with the western world for decades.

Gullible western politicians who thought they were much smarter than they really were attempted to secure China rights and privileges and economic prosperity in hopes that a western standard of living and membership in international organizations would cause China to assimilate into the tenets of modern western society, but they failed to take into account the Chinese Communist Party and its stranglehold on the citizens of China.

As a lifelong conservative, I abhor Trump and what he's done leading to the corruption of the Republican Party and conservative movement. They used to be the party of statesmen - but now they toady to this reality TV star who constantly engages in magical thinking and ignores experts of any sort.

But - no one is right all the time and no one gets everything wrong.

The one constructive thing that Trump has done - no matter what the motivation for his actions - has been to push back against the Chinese Communist Party.

The CCP is a truly evil organization and is guilty of heinous crimes which dwarf those of the other boogymen who we actively revile. They are an organization who takes but never gives, an organization without morality or honor whose only reason for existence is their own survival. They completely control the truth in China, deny their own people aid when disaster strikes, and use their resources to influence other societies. They attempt to take control of international organizations and push their soft power throughout western media with paid propagandists. They attempt to export their own brand of Big Brother autocracy to other countries in hopes of shaping the world in their own image.

We need to divest ourselves of China and move non-Chinese consumer manufacturing out of that county.

Anyone know where the TSMC fabs are located?

mknelson said:

razorpit said:
You don't even have to go over sea's to get the full experience. Try that in Mexico. Tell them you're an American and you are here to purchase some land and start your own company. And for a preview of our future if the socialists get their way, stop down in Venezuela and try to order a nice ribeye in a restaurant.

That's a weak argument, cherry picking one "socialist" government that's failing. Venezuela's economy is hampered by sanctions and corruption.

US "socialists" are primarily looking for solutions to health care and poverty reduction like in continental Europe, Sweden, UK, Canada…

No problem getting a ribeye here! Helps that we have also done a much better job of getting COVID under some measure of control.

Apple_Bar said:

NinjaMan said:

GeorgeBMac said:

NinjaMan said:

GeorgeBMac said:

NinjaMan said:

ByteDance is a propaganda machine for the Chinese Govt and everything going on in Xinjiang - are people so blinded by their dislike of Trump that .....
 

Are you so blinded by Trump's hate of China?

Are you aware of China's hatred of the US that goes back before Trump's presidency? The US isn't the only country looking to ban TikTok as well... get off your anti-Trump soapbox and open your eyes to ByteDance being a contributor to mass-murders. The idea that this company is being defended baffles me - this ban should happen regardless of who's in office. It would be absurd if Biden wins in November and removes any potential ban that would be in place.

Does Trump have any more evidence for that nonsense than he had for his Huawei nonsense?

So the genocide in Xinjiang is nonsense? Even the Washington Post acknowledges it and calls out both BtyeDance and Huawei as contributors to the censoring and monitoring of Uighur Muslims on behalf of the Chinese Govt...

This is not about genocide and how terrible the Chinese government is...

The toddler-in-chief doesn’t care about humanitarian reasons so let’s tell the truth...

This is about how Tik-Tok users destroyed his “MAGA” rally in OK and like a kid wants to be vindictive and prevent it from happening again before elections. 

allmypeople said:

GeorgeBMac said:

If, as he says, it's all about Trump's trade war, then that will no longer be necessary once we can return to facing our real enemy:  Russia.

The UK said the same:   They were bowing to Trump's geopolitical pressure at the expense of their own best interests....

And as to there being "infrastructure anywhere" -- we saw how false that statement is as China quickly returned to full production while India and the U.S. are still struggling to control the virus.

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You're carrying water for the CPP which has *ACTUAL* concentration camps and does organ harvesting. There's no freedom of speech or thought for that matter.
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