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crowley said:

davidw said:

crowley said:

bb-15 said:

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house. 

You would need to do that something like 30 times for the police to come barging on your door.  Do you even lend your phone to a friend for anything other than a quick call?  I don't.  These gotchas that people are offering are always such a preposterous stretch.  

No, just once would be enough if the "friend" uploads 30 images with matching hashes. Or are you saying that if a "friend" uploaded 100 images with matching hashes, that Apple will ignore it and only count that as 1 instance? So a "friend" can upload 100 images with matching hash, 29 times and you will not be flagged because 30 times is the limit? That's not right.  

Who are your "friends" that this is something that might happen?!

I'm not questioning your "friend" part of your comment. I more or less agree with you on that. I questioned the part where you implied that it is preposterous this can ever happen, as it would have to happen 30 times, before you get in some kind of trouble. When it's obviously that under the right condition, it only needs to happen just once. Which it now not as preposterous as you make it seem. 

And don't forget iPads. I have been to a few friends or friends of a friend's home, where they leave an iPad lying around their home because they have kids that mainly use it to play games or watch Netflix or Youtube on. And there are no passcode on it because the iiPad rarely leaves the home. But they do have cameras, internet, Photos and iCloud storage when on their home WiFi. But they are more or less, just a "toy" for their kids and not something that has a lot of personal info on.  

Just because you can't ever imagine it ever happening with a "friend", doesn't mean that it can't. There are over 1B iPhones out there, 120M in the US alone. Not including iPads. Just like I can't ever imagine anyone ever falling for the phishing scam that involves the IRS requesting payment (in iTunes gift cards). Yet there are people that should know better, that falls for it all the time. Even if the people that do fall for it is a very, very small fraction of the people that are targeted, it's actually preposterous to think that no one would ever fall for it.  
  

nicholfd said:

Rogue01 said:

lkrupp said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

lkrupp said:

Dead_Pool said:

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Think of the children who will suffer abuse because a few privacy wackos don’t want Apple to scan their photos. Fuck those kids, right?

Nope. Apple can very well scan the photos in iCloud and report it to authorities. They have the keys to decrypt the files stored in iCloud, so there is NOTHING that is preventing Apple from doing it and NO ONE is against this. The opposition is only for doing the scan ON the device, NOT in iCloud.

And as AppleInsider and Apple have stated, images are not scanned on the device. But you choose to believe it’s a lie because...?

Apple has openly and clearly stated that the CSAM hashes are stored on your device and every photo on your device is scanned BEFORE they are uploaded to their servers when iCloud Photos is turned on, and Apple turns it on by default.  Apple will scan every photo on your device.  Why do you choose not to believe that?

Stop the fucking nonsense.  

By definition, when iCloud Photos is turned on, all photos stored in the Photos app (no where else) are uploaded to iCloud, hence all photos stored in the Photos app are scanned, when they are uploaded to iCloud!

Apple DOES NOT EVER scan every photo on your device.  Apple only scans photos stored in the Photos app, and only if iCloud Photos is turned on, do they scan them.

iCloud Photos is NOT turned on by default.  Period.  You are new here, so I'll assume you have NEVER used an Apple device, right?

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techconc said:

lkrupp said:

And as AppleInsider and Apple have stated, images are not scanned on the device. But you choose to believe it’s a lie because...?

No, images are scanned on device.  What's funny is that people are just getting worked up about this now.  Apple has been scanning images on our devices for a long time.  This isn't the CSAM hash type scanning, this is the machine learning scanning I'm talking about.  That's how we can search for generic things like "dog" or "beach" a get a bunch of relevant pictures from our library.  Where is all of the "slippery slope" type of discussions around that?  Seriously, the level of stupid being raised about this topic is mind numbing. 

It's not the "scan" that people are worked up about, it's the "search". Apple is searching for certain images on your device, that they don't want on their servers, not just scanning them for your benefit.

This would be like if UPS brought a drug sniffing dog into your home, to sniff the parcels that you are about to ship by UPS. Obviously UPS has the right to not want to ship illegal drugs and to search any parcel in their system that might be suspected of containing illegal drugs. But they don't have the right to do the search while the parcels were still in the shipper's home and there was no reason to believe that the shipper was shipping any illegal drugs. Even if the parcels already had the UPS shipping labels on them. They would have to wait until the parcels are in their truck or warehouse, to do the search. Whether they suspect the parcels contained illegal drugs or not.  

Plus when Spotlight or Photos "scan" your images, it for your benefit, not for Apple's or anyone else's.  

And yet, there are those that can't or won't, see the difference between Apple "scanning" the images on your device for your benefit and Apple "searching" for images on your device for theirs. When Spotlight or Photos scan your images for "dogs", it's not searching for any sign of animal abuse and will report you over to the SPCA if it finds photos that might be evidence of animal abuse. 

crowley said:

bb-15 said:

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house. 

You would need to do that something like 30 times for the police to come barging on your door.  Do you even lend your phone to a friend for anything other than a quick call?  I don't.  These gotchas that people are offering are always such a preposterous stretch.  

No, just once would be enough if the "friend" uploads 30 images with matching hashes. Or are you saying that if a "friend" uploaded 100 images with matching hashes, that Apple will ignore it and only count that as 1 instance? So a "friend" can upload 100 images with matching hash, 29 times and you will not be flagged because 30 times is the limit? That's not right.  

bruce young said:

Let's see, Tim Cook gets $14,769,259 annual compensation, plus, I saw an article recently that he had just taken $750 MILLION in stock benefits.

Other Apple execs are making similar outrageous amounts of millions of dollars annual compensation.

  reference: <https://www1.salary.com/APPLE-INC-Executive-Salaries.html >
One would think that they could afford to pay taxes. As would the corporation itself.

As pointed out by a previous posts, they use the land, resources, people, infrastructure of this country, (and it is in dire need of support), so they should be happy to make the country stronger...   yes?   no?

You only "saw" the article, did you bother to READ it before making your ignorant comment? Tim Cook was awarded $750M in vested RSU and paid $390M in income taxes out of the $750M award. You can also bet that he also paid over 50% in incomes taxes (for Fed and State) for his $14.8M annual compensation. And most likely all the Apple executives probably paid in the neighborhood of 50% in incomes taxes on their annual salary. 

If you want to collect the most in taxes from corporations, the best way to do that would be to make sure all the profits are awarded to their top executives as bonuses, instead of being taxed at the corporate rate. Bonuses are considered salary and tax deductible from corporate revenue.

Say that a corporation was looking at reporting $100M in profit, but instead decided to award that $100M to their top executives as bonuses. Now the corporation will end up paying zero corporate tax and you will have a hissy fit over this. BUT, when the $100M was awarded as bonuses, it got taxed as salary. Thus, the government collected 37% Fed income tax (as most execs are probably in the top marginal tax bracket), $1.45% Medicare tax and  maybe about 8% in State income tax (in CA it would be 13%). So out of the $100M, the government got at least $45M in taxes when it was awarded as bonuses vs $21M if it were taxed at the corporate rate.  And this don't include the sales tax generated when the executives spends that money.  

As someone that likes collecting more taxes from others, you should be jumping with joy, that Apple is paying their executives outrages amounts of millions of dollars annual compensation, instead of complaining about it. I guarantee you, the IRS is not complaining about it.    

Apple pays over $40M a year in property taxes on just their "spaceship" HQ. Property taxes (and added bonds measures) pays for local police, fire and ambulance services, parks, public transportation, street lights, sewers, etc.. But most goes toward local education. I'm not aware that Apple is not paying property taxes on any of their properties. Be it vacant land or for an Apple Store. I'm not aware that Apple is getting resources like electricity or gas or water or garbage service, for free. Nor not have to pay the gasoline tax, that pays for road maintenance (or least that's what the gas tax is suppose to be for.), bridge tolls or auto registrations for company cars. Nor are they not paying a good salary to their well educated employees. (who in turn can afford to pay back any student loans they might have gotten.)