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mcdave said:

So that’s Apple’s information management strategy? Files in folders on drives?
Way to prove the idiots right Apple!

And what's your ideal strategy?    I've wanted this for a long time as my video files are consuming all the space on the internal SSD.   I've been manually moving files to an external drive.   

williamh said:

The trackpad also does very poorly at discerning intentional touches from unintentional hits from the palm - it very often sends the cursor where I don't want it.  It's damned hard to use the keyboard without touching the trackpad at all.  

This drives me out of my freaking mind.   The trackpad is TOO WIDE.  One cannot keep their arms straight and not hit the trackpad unless you don't rest your arms on the computer and hold them in an uncomfortable position instead.   Apple used to be great at testing everything with end-users, but they're so paranoid about secrecy, either they don't do it anymore or they're incompetent at it.   With all the thousands of hires at Apple, you'd think they could get this right.    

Every time they update the OS, even with just primarily a security update, things that had worked fine for years, stop working or work inconsistently.   Apple also used to be brilliant at testing on screen messages back to the users - back in the Apple ][ days, they went through six iterations of a single question about whether the user was using a color monitor before finding the one that worked the best.   Now the messaging sounds like a programmer wrote it.  

I've been seeing lots of complaints online about the latest iOS update:  people are complaining that typing has become very slow.  I haven't updated myself yet - I always wait a few weeks to make sure there are no issues.   

And I agree with the other comments about unnecessary thinness.  Apple's obsession with this is absurd and my hope was that with Ive gone, they would move on.  If a new keyboard does save space, they shouldn't make the machines thinner - they should instead put in a larger battery.    And there's only about 1/16th of an inch above and below the USB-C ports and about 1/32" above and below the headphone jack, so there's very little room to play with anyway (Apple's idiot solution to that will probably be to remove the earphone jack).    

Apple seems to create products that they don't think people will ever actually use for real tasks that need to be done efficiently.   They think people will primarily just look at the products and exclaim how beautiful they are.    I'm furious at Apple anyway for not having removable/replaceable storage, memory and battery.   I may well be on my last Mac and I've been using a Mac since the very first one.  I hate Windows, but I played with a $500 Windows laptop that seemed to work just fine for most of what I do.   If it breaks, I'l toss it and get another - I can't imagine I'll go through six of them in the time I would keep one $3200 MBP.  

/rant

I've never understood why anyone would do this.  What's the difference if you buy a new phone on the day it's released, a day later, a week later or a month (or more) later?   And I've never understood how there are people who can both afford the phone and waste so much time.   But I will give them some credit for having the patience to stand on line.   If a line is more than 10-15 minutes for anything, I'm out of there.   

sammysamsam said:

neilm said:

sammysamsam said:

I have an 11 Pro and my photos don't look anywhere near as good as Austin Mann's photos.  Are we sure Apple didn't give him a 'special' phone.

No, they gave the iPhone a better photographer. 

That was my second assumption.  A $1000 pro phone that can't give me wonderfully beautiful photos unless I'm on of the world's best photographers doesn't sound worth it.

Can someone tell me why Joe Sam of the public would want this camera if they don't have the required photography training and knowledge?

Oh, please.  Do you really think that only the "world's best photographers" can get good photos from the phone?  The amount of knowledge needed to get a photo of sufficient technical quality on an iPhone is probably 1% or less of that needed to do so on any modern DSLR or Mirrorless camera.  Properly used, the DSLR or Mirrorless will result in better quality (because the brilliant software in a phone can't make up for the tiny sensor), but for most people's purposes, which is sending photos or posting them on social media sites, the iPhone is more than enough quality and it gets substantially better with every new phone.  (And the removable lens camera business is quickly becoming a specialist, niche business.  Only about 9.1 million will be sold this calendar year worldwide from the Japanese companies.   Apple sells that many phones in 19 days and Apple only has 10-15% of worldwide unit sales.)  

And the main aspect of quality photography is not the equipment anyway -- it's the eye of the photographer.  

That $1000 phone does a hell of a lot more than take photos.   But if it doesn't provide value to you, that's fine.  I'm still using an iPhone 6.   But the difference between us is that I don't take my anecdotal experience and apply it to the entire market (and I still use a DSLR, so the camera on the phone is less important to me).   $1000 is indeed a lot of money for a phone, but my bet is that Apple's new phones will do quite well and that "Joe Sam" will want these phones, especially if they didn't upgrade in the last year or two.  Keep a $1000 phone two years and that's $9.62 a week.  Keep it three years and we're talking $6.41 a week.   That's less than coffee money.   

bluefire1 said:

AppleInsideOutsider said:

Yawn

I need a better phone, not a computer, not a tracker

better battery , rugged , not burdened by complications that drift attention far from the tasks at hand

Privacy

without "features" that only add complexity.

Get the core solid

it ain't

 I don't walk around staring into my hand , like Narcissus into the pond.

Go back to the Design philosophy you abandoned years ago.

You are high on your own gas

Agree for the most part. I can’t imagine Steve Jobs ever approving a camera protrusion that looks like that.  Overall, I was disappointed. As the singer Peggy Lee once sang, “Is that all there is?”. In the years after 2007, Apple could get away with this super modest upgrade, but the competition has clearly caught up. I’ll get the new Apple Watch 5 but sadly will wait until 2020 to get my next iPhone.

Once again, what makes you think it was ever intended for everyone to upgrade every year?   While Apple would certainly be happy if you did so, do you buy a new TV or a new car or a new toaster every year?    The upgrade is not designed for people who bought last year's phones any more than the 2020 Hondas (which are almost the same as last year's Hondas) are designed for people who bought the 2019 or 2018 models.   The new phones are primarily designed for people who own older phones (like me, with an iPhone 6, although I'll probably wait another year.)

As for the camera protrusion, you'd rather it didn't protrude but had inferior performance?   How often do you look at the back of the phone?  My view is that Apple has spent far too much effort making phones look nice rather than perform practically in spite of the fact that most people keep their phones in a case (because one drop and the phone is usually gone).    I can't tell you the number of times I've noticed someone using a phone without a case and thinking, "that's a really nice looking phone - maybe I should upgrade" and then realizing I had the exact same model, but mine's in a case.   

In fact, I'm hoping that with Ive gone, Apple gets a little more practical and a lot less obsessed with thinness (like the "social X-rays" that Tom Wolfe described in "Bonfire of the Vanities".   I'd much rather have a thicker phone or thicker MacBook Pro that got far longer battery life.   There aren't too many different ways one can design three lenses of a given size to look on the back of a phone.   Much ado about nothing, IMO.   You must really hate the way "real" cameras look.  

And exactly what part of the "phone" part of the iPhone doesn't already work quite well?    The only thing I can think of (and I believe it's already been corrected on more recent phone models) is that I find the speakerphone in my old iPhone 6 to be too low, especially when driving and there's road noise.