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robin huber said:
 the NEST has a superior UI. 

Only for quickly changing the temperature - because there is no on screen UI needed, you just twist the physical ring.  The rest of the Nest UI pales in comparison to the touch UI of the echobee.  They still managed to clutter it up and complicated things WAY more than is needed, but once you figure out the layout it's far quicker and easier to make changes with the Ecobee than scrolling, scrolling, scrolling with the Nest ring.  

waveparticle said:
You are lying. 

lol - good thing when you search for

belt and road projects corruption bribes

nothing comes up then, eh?  Hope your CCP masters pay you well.

rcfa said:

Speak for yourselves! Form follows function, and as long as Apple doesn’t introduce new functionality, like a touch screen and pen input, or something like that, I absolutely WANT NO DESIGN CHANGE.

The current design is nicely optimized, and minimalist. Any significant changes would just be tacky and ornamental in nature. 

Here here!

If it isn't broke, don't fix it.   Apple single handedly created the trackbal (eventually trackpad)/wrist wrest layout that has dominated the laptop design language for decades.  Mouse input existed on laptops before Apple - either as external mice or trackballs awkwardly clipped onto the sides of laptops.  That went on for years before Apple introduced the PowerBooks.  

Good design is easy to take for granted because once it's unleashed it seems like "well of course, that's just the way it always should been".  But it wasn't.  People were clipping trackballs onto the sides of their laptops and thinking nothing of it - for YEARS before the PowerBooks.   The amount of those "well of course that's the way it should be" design decisions that were spearheaded by Apple is truly astonishing when you look across Apple's history.

I get so tired of people wising for design changes just because.  Talk about a waste of energy or even worse, going backwards from a usability or functionality standpoint.  The touchbar fiasco is the perfect example of design hubris solving problems that didn't exist.    Nothing beats the tactility and predictability of physical keys.  They are always in the same space and have a distinct feel (and even sound) that allows for extremely reliable blind operation.  If you want to *add* the touchbar, that's one thing.  But to take away physical keys is a mistake - as was dramatically highlighted by the ESC key.  Adding back just the ESC key was an improvement, but still didn't solve the core issue - much of the functionality I use on a daily basis with the physical keys just wasn't as fast or reliable with the touchbar.  

Some of Apple's greatest accomplishments are in what they didn't do.  Remember how doomed Apple supposedly was because they didn't have netbooks?  Netbooks - a shitty pile of compromises that didn't do anything well other than please technologists.  Instead Apple created a whole new category (iPhone/iPad).   

And I don't hate the concept of the touchbar.  If it was an option on the 16" I'd happily pay more for it.  But if I have to pick two, I'd rather have the full row of physical F keys than the touchbar, even one with the ESC as a physical key.  The trend of cars moving EVERYTHING to touch controls just cements my hope that I will be able to be buried with my current cars and not have to buy one of these "new and improved" technological monstrosities  

"Convincing people — and developers — to make a transition like the move from Intel to Apple Silicon, is enormously difficult."

Difficult for who?  All you have to do is use an Apple Silicon Mac and see just how seamless it is - and then experience the performance, to become a full convert.  I could hand an Apple Silicon Mac to my mother and she would have NO idea that the CPU in it is entirely different; the amount of applications that not only run unmodified but significantly faster still than on previous Mac's is truly astounding. 

GeorgeBMac said:
Or being used to spread misinformation and as a forum for terrorists to recruit more terrorists and plan their attacks.

lol - the new "but think of the children". 

Yes Zuck, save us from ourselves!  

Pathetic...