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elijahg said:
But it has fewer than half the ports of the model it replaced, and the price has jumped $200. So not exactly “entry level” in the sense of the wider computer market. The price of the entry level model is even more galling considering the M1 is much much cheaper than the Intel CPU in the iMac. But unfortunately we’re in the era of Cook’s profit first Apple, and customer satisfaction is secondary. 

It's also significantly faster, has a greatly improved screen and sound system and offers touch ID.  

RE: the M1 CPU price I love how people discount the cost of engineering the thing.  We have no idea what the actual per chip cost/break even point is for Apple Silicon, and speculating as if you do is just silly.  

This is just round two of the netbook argument.  Apple does not produce low end machines.  If that's what you are looking for you are barking up the wrong tree.  

Now, not saying that I wouldn't mind a $800 really no-frills iMac for kiosk or other lightweight use cases.  But getting mad at Apple for not serving market segments they have never been interested in will only frustrate you.  It makes as much sense as getting mad at the sun shining, wind blowing or gravity keeping your butt firmly planted here on terra firma. 

titantiger said:
Far from nonsensical.  The issue is, the $1299 price point didn't used to be the crippled K-12 version.  A version like that was in the $1000 range.  When you got to 1300 bucks it didn't have goofy trade offs like only two USB ports and no ethernet jack.  Hell, even the base Mac mini has a damn ethernet jack, 2 USB ports in addition to the 2 Thunderbolt ones, and even an HDMI.  So it's perfectly reasonable to question the specs for the price on this new iMac.

I don't know what country you live in but in the western world things have been getting more expensive over time for the past 40 years.  And it's accelerated in our COVID blessed world thanks to the now blindingly obvious gross, continued overreaction to the China virus.  The base mini lacks a screen, speakers, bundled keyboard/mouse, etc. so it's hardly an equal comparison.

Speaking of costs raising over time - I was unwrapping some stuff wrapped in newspapers from the mid 70's and cars costing $30K plus today were around $1500 then.  Thank decades of successful central planning for this "feature".  

I like the direction, but not what I was hoping for.  I suspected we probably wouldn't see the 27" or it's replacement and sadly I was right

Also the M1 likely means it's limited to 16GB of RAM so that's also a non-starter for me.  Get me a 27" or equivalent with 32GB of RAM and the Tangerine would be on order ASAP!

I am a bit disappointed it still has a chin - I would have rather had a thicker device with a thinner or non-existant chin; but then it would just look like a monitor and wouldn't be as easily recognizable as an Apple device so I can sort of see why they kept it.  

The large version should be interesting!  We are now a bit closer - hopefully this year?  

I'll say it again - I do love the colors, though.  Kudos to Apple for spicing things back up again.  Maybe the new MacBook Pro's will be in color?  Would love to have a Tangerine MacBook Pro.

entropys said:

InspiredCode said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

entropys said:

Not at all sure what it has to do with the CPU, but there is kinda a point about the dongle debacle.

You know, other than the fact that there are all USB-C Windows laptops, and Intel was instrumental in the development of the physicality and protocol of the connector.

Besides that, still no. Computer users have been adapting since day one, and will continue to do so forever. 

All usb-c makes sense for ultra mobile form factors since it is the “do anything” port. USB-C represents the end of dongles since everything new is USB-C. The Mac Mini, iMac, and Mac Pro have traditional ports. I’ve pretty much converted all my USB-A ports to low wattage USB-C ports with compact adaptors at this point anyway. I’ve put USB-C cables on all my drives, monitors, etc. I’d rather just have USB-C everywhere.

That’s lovely. Right up until your client hands you their stuff on a usba memory stick.

Yes, it's so fsking stupid - just put one damn usb-a port too on the computer already.  It would be nice if someone could just Thanos Snap USB A out of existence but that ain't gonna happen so in the meantime we get a shitty user experience because of what someone thinks 'right' is.  

This is the part of Apple that drives me bonkers.  At least as of late they seem to be willing to backtrack on some of these form over function design decisions so there is maybe some hope that saner, more practical and dare I say customer focused heads will prevail.  I hope the rumors of mag safe for power on the laptops are true - I immediately missed it with my M1 MBA.  And yes, even managed to launch it once by tripping over the USB C cord 

Waste of electricity for idiots with more money than common sense.

Sounds like most "luxury" products - this is one of the more egregious and useless I have seen in a LONG time though, so they should get points for that.