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waveparticle said:
There is not bribery charge that I know of. 

"Don't worry - no *charges* for bribery, just corruption in general". lol - gotta love apologists.  

Also it's probably a little early for charges since many of these projects are just now starting to seriously blow up and get awareness of what's going on.  Let's come back in a year and see where we are 

rob53 said:
You guys don't understand what I'm saying or what the real differences between the ARM and Intel architectures are. I didn't say "Apple Silicon doubles your RAM", I said the lower amount when used by Apple Silicon run apps just as well as the higher (doubled) amount. Have any of you actually watched the youtube videos demonstrating this? 

Dude I freaking OWNED the machine and lived this.  Yes, there is some efficiency there but if you really need more RAM there is NO SUBSTITUTE for more RAM.  The whole AOC needs less RAM thing has and continues to be WAY overblown IMNSHO.  And I didn't form that opinion from watching a bunch of videos (which I have, BTW) but from by actually owning and using the hardware.

If you are on the edge and only need just a little extra RAM, then the extra efficiency from ARM could be a worthy difference.

For *my* use case, it was no help.  I still need more RAM than 16GB and ARM/Intel isn't going to change that.  Yes, overall RAM requirements are reduced - but it's no magic bullet for simply having the appropriate amount of RAM for your workload in the first place. 

And I will once again reiterate relying on swapping is NOT a substitute for RAM, especially for an SSD that is soldered to the motherboard and likely very difficult if not impossible to change should it fail from all that needless, excessive writing.  People pushing that you don't need as much RAM and swapping is OK are beyond irresponsible in my opinion.  

Just like using SMR (shingled magnetic recording) hard drives in a network video recorders that constantly write to disk because they are - duh - recording video.  Not a smart idea since SMR drives are great for archiving (occasional writes) but not normal use, let alone use in something like an NVR that continuously writes.  SMR drives are a very bad idea for write heavy loads due to the overlapping nature of the tracks on the hard drives (hence the term shingled).  It may work for a while, but it's the wrong technology for the wrong application.  And sure enough, a year or so later all the people who went with SMR drives anyway started having drive failures.  That SMR drives suck for NVRs wasn't purely a hypothetical opinion, turns out it was rooted in facts.  Funnily enough, technology works in certain ways, has pro's and con's and if you misuse it, it will break eventually in easily predictable ways.  I and many others that warned against using SMR drives in NVRs were proven right because it was easy to see that while they worked initially, it wasn't going to end well. 

Same thing with all the Youtube BS with ARM and RAM.  If you get an ARM Mac and undersize RAM and rely on swapping you ARE going to eventually have a bad day.  If you swap out machines every two years then maybe you will never see it. Keep your machines for longer time frames?  You're playing with fire.  Stupid fire that is easy to avoid.

ARM is not a magic talisman nor a "get out of jail free" card and I really wish people would STOP overstating this whole RAM thing because it really is quite minimal in the real world. 

22july2013 said:
And if RAM is faster, it may reduce the demand on the amount of RAM needed, since apps will finish faster.

For some loads, maybe.  But not for applications that need RAM to hold data - like Cities:Skylines with my mod and more importantly, asset subscriptions.  

Video editing, large photo editing, compiling large applications - there are lots of situations where there simply isn't a substitute for raw capacity.  Speed isn't going to replace the basic need for desk space to spread your stuff out to work on (one way to think of RAM).  Shuffling stuff on and off the desk faster is interesting, but not having to shuffle stuff in the first place is faster still  

rob53 said:

What I've read is that the M-series RAM and storage work so fast together that 8GB is the new 16GB and 16GB is the new 32GB. I don't remember seeing anyone say Apple would be releasing a 64GB laptop. As for Cities:Skylines, is this a native ARM app or is it using Rosetta? Even though Apple does the conversion it's still not the same as a native ARM app making use of all the ARM-specific GPU apis. Just checked this app and it uses Steam and I've never used Steam before so not sure if it's using the Mac or an app to run the app on a Steam server. 

Anyone claiming ARM is magically reducing the amount of RAM required is sadly mistaken.  RAM is RAM and nothing beats having physical RAM if your application truly demands it.  The SSD may be fast enough with virtual memory swapping to where you might not notice, but swapping to SSD will dramatically lower its lifespan and since the SSD drives are soldered to the motherboards in the M1 Macs doing anything to increase wear/reduce the drive lifespan is an even dumber idea.  If you have applications that need RAM, get the RAM!   

C:S is not ARM native but there is a Mac native version that ran great.  Indeed you wouldn't know it wasn't ARM native from the way it performed - performance was amazing - as long as I didn't load all my asset and mod subscriptions from the Steam workshop, were the lack of RAM really killed performance.  Windows games running either via Crossover or the Windows ARM preview in Parallels also performed way better than I expected and Crossover has gotten a major update to WINE since I had my MacBook Air.  I only ran into graphics issues with a couple of games - shader issues - that I'm sure will get worked out at some point.  

Of course there are no details from Apple on the next round of hardware - what a shock.  But if they are going to replace all of their Intel models they are going to need Apple Silicon Macs that are at least equal to what they have shipping on Intel, and that means at least 64GB of RAM on the highest end laptops.  Once again there is no substitute for actual RAM if you have applications that truly demand it and I would be shocked if the highest end Apple Silicon MacBook Pro's couldn't go to at least 64GB.

Elon really had the temerity to use the phrase "walled garden"?!?!

$700 vs. $1600 repair - and hopefully Tesla doesn't screw the guy by blacklisting him from the supercharger network: 


What a farce.  They can't even get body panels to match, interior trim properly secured - windshields that don't leak.  Ha!  Apple at least has excellent fit and finish!  They may share same shitty right to repair issues but at least the vast majority of Apple stuff is well under $10K - nothing like getting hosed on $50K plus cars!