hagar

Tallest skil seems to have the habit to use the arguments against his own viewpoint over and over again, without realising it Please, don't  claim to be a scientist when you're not. A real scientist with integrity would not point to lobby group propaganda to support misconceived hate-based tantrums. 

I'm shocked by the level of ignorance, hate and intolerance on this forum. Everybody is an expert, everybody has an opinion...
No wonder crazy backward laws like these are passed. Sad.

And as it seems multinationals and big corporations are now our moral compass, they are very pessimistic times indeed. 
 

tallest skil said:

I’d prefer a transgender man getting the treatment he needs.

As we all do. And the current scientific and medical point of view is that the best "cure" or "workaround" is,  in well defined cases,  to get their sex changed. Deal with it. 

No force of will, no power of man, and no act of a god will ever make you anything than what your genes dictate.

If that's what you believe, it's the best argument you will ever have to accept the LGBT community. Put it on a sticker and do some good in the world. 

Transgender people don't cause harm to other people
[citation needed]

Wow, just wow. 

There is if there’s a law against a given action.

You confuse two distinct groups: perverts and transgenders. As long as you will keep doing that, there's no point in continuing this discussion. 

If some people feel uneasy around transgenders that's the problem of those people. Not of the transgender. Fifty years ago, some people felt uneasy sitting next to someone of another color in the bus. Times change and you can drag your feet about it but don't hold the rest of society back while we want to continue forward. 

I'm glad these 68 companies are setting an example. 

So of course it has happened before and it has happened for decades. 

So you give examples of perverts that are not related to the transgender community to defend your point? Are you really that naive to think that a non-enforceable law will prevent perverts from peeping? Perverts and criminals do what they do, regardless of any laws. Therefore, law enforcement should focus on keeping those perverts out of the streets and in jail.

But zooming in on just transgenders is just plain wrong as it won't prevent the examples you refer to because it has NOTHING to do with it. 

Maybe don’t do wrong instead? Then there wouldn’t be stigma

What are you talking about? Do you even know what transgender means?

Because mental illness elicits a subconscious reaction in people’s minds as a defense mechanism to preserve the safety and security of the social in-group. You see the same thing with people who interact with sociopaths and sufferers of NPD. Oh, they can fake it, usually, but people are shown to be subconsciously put on edge around them. It’s the brain telling you “There’s something wrong here, and I can’t quite put my lobe on it, but be careful around this person.”

Why do you drag sociopaths and NPD into this discussion? One has nothing to do with the other. 

Transgender people don't cause harm to other people, there is no crime committed, you don't have to be careful around them. So there shouldn't be an in-group. It's not us versus them. And the whole point of modern society is not to listen to that subconscious reaction (or worse, act on it) because it's a result of ignorance. If society deems something normal, that subconscious reaction will soon fade. The same as it does with race, colour, sexual orientation, disabilities, and everything else that makes us unique. It takes all kinds to create a world.

Just like the law against murder is the cause of murder.

With the big difference NO crime has been committed. Being a transgender is not a crime. Being a pervert and peeping in restrooms is. 

You're missing the point that a post-operation transgender,  who completely switched gender, will now have to go back to the restrooms of their old gender, they and society do NOT identify with. Why would prefer a transgender man in the women's bathroom? It's just absurd. 

That bill is wrong because it divides instead of unites. Good for Apple and 67 other companies on realising that. 

Detroit. Now have a goddamn argument. If you wanted to tell us you have no idea what you're talking about, you could have just said, "I have no idea what I'm talking about."

Ok, name me one other country in the world that passed a law about going to the toilet. A law that will never be enforceable. Or will you have police men checking ID's at toilets?

Second, no single report on this has ever been reported before. It's republicans seeking "solutions" to a problem that doesn't exist to push their conservative agenda. If republicans really intended this to help and support a minority, they would have had a discussion with that community and realised they were making things a whole lot worse for them by stigmatising them and drawing attention to them. 

Third, you do realise that the law intended to prevent men going into women restrooms will exactly cause that? A transgender man (looks and acts like a man) will now have to go into the woman restroom. Causing distress. Why? It's so stupid and retarded, only intended to be anti-LGBT. I'm glad that if government fails like they did now, there are US companies stepping up. That's the only positive thing that has come out of this shameful ordeal. 

So, what are you talking about?