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jdw said:

AppleInsider,

We love Apple.  We love Appleinsider.  But the new MBP's leave out a lot.  Please don't just sing to the choir.  Present all facts, bad and good.

Thank you.

If you want an invite to the next keynote you cannot bad mouth Apple 

haha take that Apple and your stupid dongles 

thewhitefalcon said:

elijahg said:

AppleInsider said:

The 6360U launched in the third quarter of 2015

So Apple's using CPUs that're a year behind. Will they still be using the same CPUs in 500 days? Why didn't they update the MacBooks in Q4 2015 with Skylake? If they'd updated in Q4 2015 they could have waited until Q1 2017 for Kaby Lake. They're completely out of sync with Intel's release cycles now, couldn't really have released the 2016 MBPs at a worse time. Sadly, it seems to me like they're trying to let the Mac die.

Just because one Skylake chip launched does not mean the entire family launched. The better CPU's, which Apple picks, come later, and Intel has had (and probably still continues to have) yield issues at 14nm. The Kaby Lake chips they need aren't out yet either. 

wood1208 said:

Intel's Skylake processor is 2015 story. Kaby lake is 2016. Intel will release ICE lake 10nm end of 2017. If I was Apple, I would skip Kaby lake and pick up ICE lake in 2017 for Spring 2018 release of Macbook pro that Apple can design without any compromise.

LOL no. Intel isn't even releasing high-end (higher than 15W) Cannonlake now in 2018. They're doing a 4th CPU on 14nm, Coffee Lake. Ice Lake coming before 2019 would be a shocker.

Intel didn't release quad core mobile with pro graphics until jan 2016, Apple stopped playing their game and only selected CPUs from the sept 2015 launch. Means we took a 20% graphics hit on the 15" but those models have GPUs anyway. Plus the 2016 CPU cost $100 more, never mind the fact the 2.9Ghz dropped to 2.8Ghz so Apple probably made the right choice this time. Something weird is going on between Apple and Intel, from the outside it looks like they aren't getting along.

wood1208 said:

Intel's Skylake processor is 2015 story. Kaby lake is 2016. Intel will release ICE lake 10nm end of 2017. If I was Apple, I would skip Kaby lake and pick up ICE lake in 2017 for Spring 2018 release of Macbook pro that Apple can design without any compromise.

Intel do staggered releases now, quad core mobile Skylake with pro graphics didn't come out until 2016. Same thing with Broadwell, Intel didn't release quad core mobile until 2 weeks after Apple released the 2015 15" MBP. Only the 13" got Broadwell.

cali said:

I believe Apple is innovating faster than their partners. The weakest links are the chip and 3rd party manufacturers.

This is why I can't wait for Apples A series to catch up to Intel.  I don't mind if they have to change the whole infrastructure if it means being years beyond the competition and yearly updates.
I would have saved the macOS name for that. 

Intel are obviously trying to delay Apple, look at the 2015 MBP that was forced to use a 2 year old CPU. Then Intel launched the new chip 2 weeks after Apple launched the that MBP, obviously they were held to ransom. And now its happened again with the 2016 MBP using 13 month old CPUs with inferior graphics because Intel failed to launch the quad cores with decent pro graphics until later. There has been nothing reported on this but I reckon Intel's relationship with Apple is on the rocks.