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VRing said:

lkrupp said:

VRing said:

lkrupp said:

AppleInsider said:

Customers who can afford its $4,999 pricetag may now be able to find the 8-core base model of the iMac Pro in some U.S. Apple stores, ready for pickup.

Why do we keep with the narrative that this machine might be purchased by common users? Why do we keep mentioning the price? The real professional who makes a living with a machine like this one will pay the price. And it’s not too expensive when you consider what’s inside the beast. I’m surprised AI or someone else hasn’t priced out a PC with the exact same specs and 5K monitor, if such an animal even exists. 

You can't price out the exact same specs.  The CPU and GPU are down clocked versions of their off the shelf counterparts. 

For example, the Vega 64 iMac Pro is outputting about the same TFLOPS as the off the shelf Vega 56. So it's not going to be a tit-for-tat comparison.

If you want to price out a DIY desktop, you can easily build a better one for less than the iMac Pro.

Pre-built computers become a bit more complicated, again, because of the availability of parts and the fact the iMac Pro is using weaker components.

Oh, and a “professional” is going build a DYI with off the self parts? How productive and cost effective would that be? As for your claim that you can ‘easily’ build a better one for less, that tripe has been debunked many times by people who have tried and failed to do it. There is no Apple ‘tax’ on this machine at this level. 

The DIY route is more for the prosumer, or at home computers. For that matter, a professional probably won't buy a prosumer all-in-one computer like the iMac Pro. They'll likely buy an ISV certified workstation with a 3 year on-site warranty, potentially purchased through an IT department from HP, Lenovo or Dell.

As for easily building a better computer, well, here's a prebuilt to compare:

iMac Pro - $7999

Intel Xeon W-2150B (10 core) <-- Downclocked from regular W-2155
AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64 16 GB HBM2 (up to 4 displays) <-- Downclocked from regular Vega 64
64 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
2 TB PCIe M.2 SSD
10 Gb Ethernet
macOS
1 year warranty

GMT-W7/300 (source) - $5,639

Intel Xeon W-2155 (10 core)
AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition 16 GB HBM2 (up to 6 displays)
64 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
2 TB PCIe M.2 SSD
2x 10 Gb Ethernet
Windows 10 Pro
1 year warranty

That leaves $2,360 for a monitor, keyboard and mouse. As for the display, something like the new 2018 5K LG Nano IPS display would be better than the iMac Pro's display (same as the LG UltraFine 5K). Or you can drop the resolution and go for a Dell UP2718K with local dimming (not edge-lit).

The end result is a desktop that's more powerful and won't suffer from throttling like the iMac Pro. It also has a better display (or options for different display configurations depending on the work required).

The DIY route would go with something like Threadripper which is even more powerful than the Xeon W-2155 and offers 64 PCIe lanes.

I also want to note, if ECC RAM is not needed, an i9-7900X is identical to the W-2155. So the cost savings and options grow considerably.

rogifan_new said:

LukeCage said:

This seems pretty normal to me, what’s the problem? If you live in a cold climate falling ice is something you have to deal with. 

So other stores in Chicago have similar signs? That’s interesting because I live in Minnesota and no retail stores I go to caution me to watch for falling snow or ice.

bloodshotrollin'red said:

bsimpsen said:

unbeliever2 said:

bloodshotrollin'red said:

Would appleinsider writers please stop using the words "High Fidelity" unless they fully understand what the term means. There is no way on Earth this Sonos One speaker nor an Apple HomePod will ever produce High Fidelity audio. Never, never, ever...

"High Fidelity" is a subjective term, first used in the late 1940s to describe audio reproduction nobody today would call "high fidelity".

bloodshotrollin'red said:
You couldn't be more wrong. It is the term "musicality", which entered the audio enthusiasts vocabulary in the 1980's, that is open to subjective interpretation. Companies started using the  noun liberally to inveigle the increasing number of technically incompetent audio equipment reviewers who simply could not comprehend the science which supported the discipline of rational technical specifications. This complete volte-face from objective to subjective analysis of audio equipment was quickly established as the preeminent marketing strategy by companies which had no credible technical expertise in sound reproduction equipment.

Renderdog said:

"Paranoid about privacy"? Shouldn't that be "concerned"? Paranoid is defined as "unreasonable or obsessively anxious". I believe most would think it's very reasonable to distrust internet-connected listening devices.

zroger73 said:

lkrupp said:

Okay, so here’s the $64K question. Did AppleInsider have to remove editorial content about jailbreaking in order to get the app approved, or as it is suspected, the original rejection was a mistake made by some overzealous reviewer or automated review process. That’s all we need to know.

Both the article on jailbreaking and the article on the app rejection are still up, so...  

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/12/19/app-store-review-ridiculousness-apple-rejects-appleinsiders-iphone-x-app-update-because-of-news-story-about-jailbreaking

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/12/15/alibaba-researchers-reportedly-jailbreak-ios-1121-on-iphone-x