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  • Apple loses antitrust appeal in Germany, now subject to steep fines and regulations

    avon b7 said:
    longpath said:
    This ruling is akin to Lamborghini being declared anticompetitive for not allowing 3rd party (including parts made by Ford & Chrysler) dealer installed accessories in the Temorino.

    Apple is a minority manufacturer of phones, tablets, and personal computers. As such, they do not now, nor have they ever had anything vaguely resembling sufficient market control for any other their actions to be meaningfully anticompetitive. This ruling reflects a warped grasp of Apple's actual market share.
    https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en

    By Apple's own numbers it qualifies as a Gatekeeper for phones under EU law.

    Car anologies don't work well here due the digital CPS nature of the issue.

    Also, many jurisdictions around the world are coming to similar conclusions about Apple's anti competitive practices. The US might end up being one of them. 


    EU Law is a joke. EU law is so entirely vague and open to subjective interpretation that anyone perceived to have deep pockets can quite easily be deemed to be in violation of it. The way it's written, all they have to do is fabricate a plausible rationale and set, or move, the goal posts to wherever they need them to be, and jackpot!

    EU law makes a mockery of law.
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  • Apple loses antitrust appeal in Germany, now subject to steep fines and regulations

    sirdir said:
    Wow, I wasn’t aware the comment section here is full of MAGA and trillion-dollar-company-simps. 
    If Apple can’t follow the law, they will be fined and that’s the way it should be. 
    Maybe they’ll even have to do what’s best for the customer instead what’s best for them, imagine. The horrors!
    I'm about as far from a MAGA or trillion-dollar-company-simp as one can get, but it's been pretty obvious for quite a while what Europe's game is in regard to American tech companies. And, none of this is even remotely about what's best for the customer, it's about what's best for European governments, European companies, European advertisers and European spy agencies.


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  • Apple loses antitrust appeal in Germany, now subject to steep fines and regulations

    avon b7 said:
    rob53 said:
    Anti-competition... The iPhone market is still less than the android market. Does Germany even try and make and sell mobile devices? I believe they do but the market simply doesn't want them in any quantity. Germany suing Apple doesn't help Germany make their own devices, it simply makes them money off the back of other companies. The EU cartel is the same thing. If you can't make something people want you sue the company that people like. This isn't an antitrust lawsuit, it's simply a money grab because Germany no longer makes products people want to buy and use. --Look at what's happening with its automobile market, it's tanking. Will Germany sue other car companies because they no longer can keep up with technology and the desires of consumers? 
    Apple has been ruled non-compliant on competition grounds. 

    It isn't a 'money grab' nor does it have anything to do with the Android market or anything else you bring up. 

    The Germans aren't making the laws up as they go. There was an investigation and a ruling. Apple presented its case. That is how it works. 

    Maybe Apple can appeal. I don't know. 
    Money grab, shakedown, pick your favorite term because that's exactly what it is and this is how a corrupt Europe operates now.

    And, of course, the bitter irony in many of these cases is that these "Western Democracies", supposed bastions of freedom, are going after Apple for protecting freedom and privacy.
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  • House Judiciary Committee subpoenas Apple over AI censorship

    Get used to much much more of this political theater nonsense over the next 4 years as they try to distract from what they are up to by rewriting the narrative of what the previous administration was up to.
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  • Apple is lying about Apple Intelligence, John Gruber says -- and he's right

    KalMadda said:
    gatorguy said:
    KalMadda said:
    I think people are being way too hard on Apple over this.  For all we know, it sounds like they actually did have these features most of the way completed, but ran into issues later in the process, and so now have to spend time repairing and reworking elements.  And the ads they ran were very clear that those features weren’t available yet.  Sometimes things come up and happen, I’d rather they spend the time to fix whatever issues they ran into with it then them rushing it out for release…
    "If these features exist in any sort of working state at all, no one outside Apple has vouched for their existence, let alone for their quality....
     Why did Apple show these personalized Siri features at WWDC last year, and promise their arrival during the first year of Apple Intelligence? Why, for that matter, do they now claim to “anticipate rolling them out in the coming year” if they still currently do not exist in demonstratable form? And now they look so out of their depth, so in over their heads, that not only are they years behind the state-of-the-art in AI, but they don’t even know what they can ship or when.

    Their headline features from nine months ago not only haven’t shipped but still haven’t even been demonstrated, which I, for one, now presume means they can’t be demonstrated because they don’t work."
    Mark Gurman reported info about them from his sources, first saying they would be ready by 18.4, then saying they had been delayed to 18.5 due to issues that arose with the features.  So there is no reason to believe they don’t exist at all.  Creating AI features like this with privacy and security is a difficult task, and likely they discovered an issue with it recently after the features were most of the way completed that will require some reworking to fix.  That’s the way complex software like this ends up working out sometimes.  There is absolutely zero reason to believe the features don’t exist.

    Furthermore, Apple basically never demonstrates unreleased software features before they’re in beta to journalists or any outside sources, so expecting that is incredibly unreasonable.  Just because Apple hasn’t shown these features to journalists doesn’t mean they don’t exist.  That’s a preposterous leap that doesn’t even make any semblance of logical sense…
    "Furthermore, Apple basically never demonstrates unreleased software features before they’re in beta to journalists or any outside sources"

    Well, they have this time and they've been caught with their pants down.  Gruber's right.  All we've been shown are a bunch of canned video demos and zero amount of working code.  Apple's guilty and it's on them prove themselves innocent and gain back trust.  People need to stop shilling for Apple here.

    "Mark Gurman reported info about them from his sources, first saying they would be ready by 18.4, then saying they had been delayed to 18.5" =>  In his latest report, Gurman mentions that one of his sources said Apple may likely have to start everything from scratch because features are not working.
    Well, take everything Mark Gurman says with a large grain of rice salt.
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