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9secondkox2 said:

anonymouse said:

danox said:

twolf2919 said:

Price is THE decider on whether this headset will be a success.  This author - and others who’ve made the same point that Apple has had supposed failures many times before turn into successes - doesn’t seem to realize this.  When has Apple *ever* introduced a completely new product category at an initial price point of $3k?  Maybe the original Apple 2 (adjusted for inflation) - but nothing since then.   Sure, there are several niche “pro” products in THS range and beyond, but nothing with hoped for mass market appeal.  And  Apple clearly wants this to eventually become the next iPhone.  And I think the AR glasses originally promised for this timeframe had/has this potential - but not some dorky headset costing as much as a used car.

The decider will be the hardware and software integration, and the quality of the programs designed to use the capabilities of the device, if Apple has those things nailed down, then the device will succeed, however no matter what price Apple sets, it will be too much and the complaining will go on and on because many people will want it, but will not be able to afford it.

Even to this day, there are still many financial analysts who think Apple should drop their prices on all products to pick up more marketshare, which, if you know anything about Apple, you know that isn’t their way of doing business.

Yeah, well, remember when all the analysts said that Apple is Doomed™ if they don't release a netbook? 

The MacBook Air filled that hole. So in a sense, they did release a netbook. 

A lower cost thin and light was what the netbook rage was about. MacBook Air did that-Apple style. 

The MacBook Air is not a netbook

Japhey said:

gatorguy said:

It does not seem like a very Apple-y product, but that's not unexpected either. It's a first gen, and according to reports was intended for developers anyway. Three years out they may have something. At the moment it seems like it was pushed out to the retail market before it's fully hatched, and I'm not sure why altho I could guess there's some other nearly-finished products from potential competitors coming before the year is out. 

No doubt some regular users here will rush to buy a Vision Pro anyway; after all, it's from Apple. By the time it's fully developed in gen 3 I would expect it to be half to a third of the current price. That's when it may capture my interest.  Or not.

Not fully hatched? 

It seems like they put a lot of love and energy into addressing all the shortcomings other AR headset suffer from. So I’m just curious as to what you need to see for it to be considered “fully hatched ”?

Dude, it's gatorguy, what did you expect? If he said he loved it, we'd all need to press him to get a brain MRI, stat, to find the tumor.

Actually, I prefer these scripted, pre-recorded presentations to the old live events. I think they are able to present a lot more information more clearly and concisely than doing a live event allows. You also avoid wasting time with glitches that have nothing to do with the product or presentation. (Like Craig Federighi's "failed" Face ID demo, which only "failed" because the feature was working as designed and had been disabled because of stage hands handling it and looking at the screen before the demo.) The demos and presentations are also better and more compelling since they don't have the restriction of doing it on a stage in front of a live audience but can be more creative with it.

If one were attending in person, a live event would be more exciting, but how many of us actually ever have the opportunity to attend in person? And, frankly, even the live events were scripted and rehearsed, and the only person who was ever going to go off-script was Steve Jobs, so we aren't really missing anything in that regard. (I was at the WWDC right after Jobs returned to Apple, and I wouldn't have missed the Q&A session he did there for the world (the one where he talked about taking the Newton out back and putting a bullet in it's head, among other topics) but those days are, sadly, long behind us.)

There is some irony, though, that the Steve Jobs Theater was designed and built to host live events and they stopped doing them almost immediately after it was "opened".

TheThumper said:

anonymouse said:

dewme said:

Just checked Apple’s leadership team profiles on https://www.apple.com/leadership/. Did I miss something? I don’t see Mark Gurman’s profile anywhere on that site. Where does he sit in Apple’s leadership team that decides the execution of Apple’s product strategy?

Word is that Gurman, and other Bloomberg writers, get paid a bonus for articles that move a company's stock price. He and others there have a financial incentive to make provocative statements (remember the now entirely debunked Big Hack article that Bloomberg never retracted?) to try and affect the stock price. By couching them as hypotheticals they avoid the hits their credibility ought to take.

The bottom line is that anything published by Bloomberg must be taken with a very large grain of salt.

So in other words, Apple Insider is spreading misinformation. 

They're reporting on rumors, which is what they do. They marked it as possible, not likely. So, no, your mischaracterization of what Apple Insider is doing doesn't hold water.

neilm said:

Titanium looks great — when it’s new. But its surface hardness is poor, making Ti a scratch magnet. Hardness can be improved by applying a suitable coating, such as the black DLC on my Series 5 Apple Watch, which still looks new. But then, of course, it also looks like any other black finished metal.

Depends on what Titanium alloy they are using. For example, grade 2 Ti alloy is relatively soft but grade 5 and grade 23 (medical grade) are much harder than grade 2.

9secondkox2 said:

anonymouse said:

iBiC said:

igorsky said:

I don’t know why Apple is still in Russia but I bet there’s a lot of Russian citizens who don’t agree with Russian politics

You would lose that bet.  There is ample evidence online that Russians by and large gleefully support Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine, just as they’ve supported Russia’s past military actions. 

Russians love their own country - they don't burn their own flag like Antifa.  They took over east Ukraine (Cremea) without a bullet being shot in 24 hours.  It was military genius.  NATO were embarrassed. Russia doesn't even call it Ukraine, it's Russia, and have changed street names, schools, and that was back in 2014.  Don't poke the bear.  Russia coded the first video game called Tetris.  Well now Russia is the official bread basket of Europe.  France and Germany are very silent.  Check out wheat prices in Europe.

While I understand that you don't like anti-fascists, I would point out that the right to burn the flag in protest is one of the things that makes the US a great country. The flag after all is only a symbol, not a sacred object, and the US flag is a symbol of freedom. And one of those freedoms is the freedom to burn the flag as an act of unrestricted speech. Thousands of US soldiers have died, millions have fought, for the freedom to burn our own flag.

anonymouse said:

iBiC said:

igorsky said:

I don’t know why Apple is still in Russia but I bet there’s a lot of Russian citizens who don’t agree with Russian politics

You would lose that bet.  There is ample evidence online that Russians by and large gleefully support Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine, just as they’ve supported Russia’s past military actions. 

Russians love their own country - they don't burn their own flag like Antifa.  They took over east Ukraine (Cremea) without a bullet being shot in 24 hours.  It was military genius.  NATO were embarrassed. Russia doesn't even call it Ukraine, it's Russia, and have changed street names, schools, and that was back in 2014.  Don't poke the bear.  Russia coded the first video game called Tetris.  Well now Russia is the official bread basket of Europe.  France and Germany are very silent.  Check out wheat prices in Europe.

While I understand that you don't like anti-fascists, I would point out that the right to burn the flag in protest is one of the things that makes the US a great country. The flag after all is only a symbol, not a sacred object, and the US flag is a symbol of freedom. And one of those freedoms is the freedom to burn the flag as an act of unrestricted speech. Thousands of US soldiers have died, millions have fought, for the freedom to burn our own flag.

and the freedom to not only not burn it, but be proud of all it represents. They can burn their own flag they bought or made, but not someone else’s or property of the government. That’s stealing and destruction of property. Also just burning anything anywhere is illegal. They’re not free to do that. If they want to do so in their fireplace at home or in a permitted area, fine. Go buy a flag from the store and take it home for firestarter. But to do so in the public square? Negative. Not free to do so. Heck, people celebrating true freedom can’t even light a small firework in most places. 

Those who burn the USA flag burn the banner under which our soldiers died and disrespect their great sacrifice, for which we all must be thankful. The fascists calling themselves anti-fascists are defined by much more than just burning a flag. They are domestic terrorists have no respect for the freedoms of others. It’s their way or else. They riot, yet violently shut down the freedom of speech and freedom of protest of others. Our soldiers, present and past, have vowed to fight against both foreign and domestic enemies. Let’s not pretend our brave men and women had these spoiled punks on their minds when they were facing eternity. Certainly they have freedom to be disrespectful. That doesn’t make it good. But some of the things they do, such as destruction of property, harassment, and assault, are not covered under freedom - that’s infringing on the freedom of others. You go to jail for that. 

Just like with Russia. We have a regime dining Apple for simply allowing freedom of the press. Yet here in the USA we have suppression of free speech and press as well with the government colluding with social media to suppress news and censor those who  say something they don’t like. As Americans we need to keep our eyes and ears open and stop tolerating those who strip our freedoms away not by wit with new excuse after new excuse. “Oh no! There’s a disease. Lock everyone up and shut down their businesses. Oh no! Some violent criminal used weapons! Take away everyone’s right to bear arms. Oh no! We are getting caught lying about various things! Take away people right to free speech and calling out our lies. Enough is enough. Whether you read, watch, post, etc on apple products, with speech, the newspaper, android, whatever, it’s time we stopped just accepting the spoon fed drivel and speak up where we can. That includes the freedom to show up and vote our conscience. 

While I disagree with almost all of what you say, I have to take particular exception with this statement: "Those who burn the USA flag burn the banner under which our soldiers died and disrespect their great sacrifice."

Did they not fight and die for freedom? For our constitution and all the freedoms it guarantees, including the freedom of speech? Then how can it possibly, "disrespect their great sacrifice," when Americans exercise those very freedoms in whatever form that takes? Do we not actually honor them when we engage in freedom of speech, particularly when that speech is not popular? I say we do. Not a single American died to defend the flag, they died defending what the flag stands for, and it cheapens their sacrifice to say otherwise.

The flag itself is just a piece of cloth of no significant value. However, what the flag symbolizes is of the greatest value. People objecting to flag burning as a form of protest, of protected speech, either don't understand what free speech is, or don't actually believe in it. Burning a flag as a form of protest because you think your country is on the wrong path is one of the most powerful statements you can make. It should not be done casually, but we should celebrate that they have the freedom to do it. When we loose the freedom to burn the flag, we will have lost the very thing those soldiers died to defend. 

It was planned to incorporate activity tracking

I'll bet it was.

dewme said:

Just checked Apple’s leadership team profiles on https://www.apple.com/leadership/. Did I miss something? I don’t see Mark Gurman’s profile anywhere on that site. Where does he sit in Apple’s leadership team that decides the execution of Apple’s product strategy?

Word is that Gurman, and other Bloomberg writers, get paid a bonus for articles that move a company's stock price. He and others there have a financial incentive to make provocative statements (remember the now entirely debunked Big Hack article that Bloomberg never retracted?) to try and affect the stock price. By couching them as hypotheticals they avoid the hits their credibility ought to take.

The bottom line is that anything published by Bloomberg must be taken with a very large grain of salt.

9secondkox2 said:

Dang. Looks awesome. Especially dig the Aston Martin example. 

Was looking at an X5, but may have to go for one of these bad boys instead.

If you were looking at an X5, I'm not sure an AM is in your price range.

auxio said:

Anilu_777 said:

I still wonder why Google even cares about this and then why it’s pushing so hard. I don’t trust Google. 

Marketing? So that they look like the hero fighting against big bad Apple and winning. GG also mentioned in the other thread that carriers might be turning to them for the server requirements of E2EE, so that'd be worth a fair bit.

The "server requirements of E2EE" are basically to route messages. If the devices sending and receiving aren't handling all the encryption/decryption themselves, it's not E2EE.