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Apple SSD in Touch Bar-equipped MacBook Pro fixed to motherboard, not removable
Strawman argument. It has already been said multiple times that no one is expecting a Lego set with infinitely replaceable pieces. But SSDs/hard drives and RAM are standard upgrades that even relative amateurs can undertake or have a slightly more tech savvy friend do for them.Soli said:Why isn't the T1 chip modular? What if that breaks? What if the GPU breaks?
Apple should make EVERY chip on the logic board socketable so that I can easily replace it all myself¡ Anything smaller than 3" is too thin for notebooks¡
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Apple SSD in Touch Bar-equipped MacBook Pro fixed to motherboard, not removable
Let's say the SSD in someone's new MBP dies after the warranty expires and they didn't get Applecare. Or they did but it dies after that. Normally one would expect you could easily replace the drive yourself for the cost of the drive itself and maybe 20-30 minutes of your time (or that of a tech savvy friend of yours). Might even be able to get a larger capacity drive this time.
Is the drive replaceable even by Apple? And what is that repair going to cost you? -
Apple SSD in Touch Bar-equipped MacBook Pro fixed to motherboard, not removable
Why is this always the response from a certain segment of the Mac user base? I like Macs. But when Apple does something like this, I prefer that it be something of genuine benefit if they are going to take capabilities away from me. How is that some radical opinion to hold that warrants a "go buy something else", "take it or leave it" kind of response?macxpress said:
Then go buy something else. Nobody is forcing you to buy a new Mac. Its only a matter of time until other manufacturers follow suit with the rare exceptions.titantiger said:
Because some people can't spend $1800 for a laptop. It might be a stretch for them to spend $1499 for one and they can't afford pricey upgrades from Apple. But they want to remain Apple customers and they buy the best one they can afford. And if they need more storage later, they used to be able to know they could easily snag a larger drive off Amazon or from OWC for a good price and pop it in themselves in minutes.fallenjt said:I don't understand the whining behind this. If you can spend $1800+ for a laptop, why skim $200 for the storage? Really don't get it!
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Apple SSD in Touch Bar-equipped MacBook Pro fixed to motherboard, not removable
Well they buy them because they like the Mac and don't have another option. And Apple still makes great looking stuff. I'm not saying the MBP is a piece of crap no one in their right mind should want. I'm just saying they made an unnecessary change that doesn't really deliver any significant benefit to people, but did take a pretty significant one away. Maybe I'd feel different if the failure rate of the normal connectors was high, or if they dropped the prices of the upgrades to something reasonable. It just seems more like a thumbing their nose at people than really trying to deliver a superior experience on this particular aspect.macxpress said:titantiger said:
Tiny handheld electronics, no. They are much harder to work on by their very nature because of the extremely tight fit and tiny parts. But a desktop or laptop? Yes, I do. Like I say, I'm not asking for the entire inside to be user serviceable. But hard drive and RAM upgrades are basic no-brainer stuff. My 66 year-old mother could follow the instructions on a hard drive upgrade and pull it off. It might be a little less annoying if the upgrades to RAM and hard drive capacity weren't so bloody expensive when you do those upgrades on the front end from Apple, though I'd still want to choke someone when the hard drive in my laptop crapped out and I couldn't have it replaced in 20 minutes of my time.sog35 said:
Do you feel the same way for iPhones?titantiger said:Dear Apple,
Stop doing this shit. No one likes it. It's of zero benefit to your customers. We don't care if it allows the laptop to be two microns thinner or a tenth of a gram lighter. Two things should always be user upgradeable: RAM and a hard drive. If the motherboard or some power port is hard to access and replace, so be it. Most people will never touch those things. But if my hard drive craps out or the RAM goes blinky, I should be able to pop open a case, pull the bad part out and snap the good one in.
I love Apple products, but this shit is getting old.
Do you expect iPhones to be self serviced also?
of course not. Apple is looking forward, you are looking back.
Its the same reason why iPhones don't have removable storage or hardrive upgrades.
Perhaps you can explain to me what tangible benefit you gain from Apple soldering a hard drive to a motherboard or soldering RAM to the motherboard. Maybe I'm missing something.
But the thing is...how many people actually do this on average? 1%? 5%? Apple isn't going to engineer a MacBook Pro for the 1-5% that "may" end up replacing/upgrading their own flash storage. If you didn't notice, this has been coming for quite some time. With nearly every new major Mac release you're seeing this. Yet, people still buy these. So its quite obvious the majority don't care whether or not they can pop the bottom panel off and replace RAM, storage, etc. As I've said, this is old school thinking and its simply isn't necessary in today's world. There are other ways and other places to store your things should you need more space. -
Apple SSD in Touch Bar-equipped MacBook Pro fixed to motherboard, not removable
I know what it means. I also know that you put it that way to make an implication that didn't exist. I know the difference in a solid state drive and a hard disk drive. Had I been confused or wished to refer to a traditional spinning magnetic disk drive, I would have done so without the parenthesis.Soli said:
1) You're not even a pro-user of English. "Disk" in parentheses is a clue.titantiger said:
I didn't say hard (disk) drive. I used what has become a generic term: hard drive. As opposed to a floppy, or a CDR, or other such storage. Don't be an ass to try and make a point.Soli said:
And it's hard to believe someone is a pro-user when they keep referring to a solid state drive a hard (disk) drive.sflocal said:
Waahhh....titantiger said:Dear Apple,
Stop doing this shit. No one likes it. It's of zero benefit to your customers. We don't care if it allows the laptop to be two microns thinner or a tenth of a gram lighter. Two things should always be user upgradeable: RAM and a hard drive. If the motherboard or some power port is hard to access and replace, so be it. Most people will never touch those things. But if my hard drive craps out or the RAM goes blinky, I should be able to pop open a case, pull the bad part out and snap the good one in.
I love Apple products, but this shit is getting old.
It's a non-issue for just about everyone. The fact that you feel progress means denying you a rarely-used ability is of zero consequence for just about everyone else.Go cry elsewhere. This is a solid update, removes a known failure-point, and uses the fastest SSD drives around. Get lost.
2) A pro-user would use the term SSD. You might even refer to the types of interconnects and protocols used if trying to make a valid argument as to why Apple has failed you over other OEMs*.
* OEM refers to an Original Equipment Manufacturer.
I do sometimes use SSD if I'm trying to make a distinction. But if you say 'hard drive', everyone know what you're talking about unless the nature of the conversation requires more specificity.
Don't be a dick.
