titantiger

Soli said:

sflocal said:

titantiger said:

Dear Apple,

Stop doing this shit.  No one likes it.  It's of zero benefit to your customers.  We don't care if it allows the laptop to be two microns thinner or a tenth of a gram lighter.  Two things should always be user upgradeable:  RAM and a hard drive.  If the motherboard or some power port is hard to access and replace, so be it.  Most people will never touch those things.  But if my hard drive craps out or the RAM goes blinky, I should be able to pop open a case, pull the bad part out and snap the good one in.  

I love Apple products, but this shit is getting old.

Waahhh.... 

It's a non-issue for just about everyone.  The fact that you feel progress means denying you a rarely-used ability is of zero consequence for just about everyone else.

Go cry elsewhere.  This is a solid update, removes a known failure-point, and uses the fastest SSD drives around.  Get lost.

And it's hard to believe someone is a pro-user when they keep referring to a solid state drive a hard (disk) drive.

I didn't say hard (disk) drive.  I used what has become a generic term:  hard drive.  As opposed to a floppy, or a CDR, or other such storage.  Don't be an ass to try and make a point.  

sog35 said:

titantiger said:

sog35 said:

titantiger said:

Dear Apple,

Stop doing this shit.  No one likes it.  It's of zero benefit to your customers.  We don't care if it allows the laptop to be two microns thinner or a tenth of a gram lighter.  Two things should always be user upgradeable:  RAM and a hard drive.  If the motherboard or some power port is hard to access and replace, so be it.  Most people will never touch those things.  But if my hard drive craps out or the RAM goes blinky, I should be able to pop open a case, pull the bad part out and snap the good one in.  

I love Apple products, but this shit is getting old.

Do you feel the same way for iPhones?

Do you expect iPhones to be self serviced also? 

of course not. Apple is looking forward, you are looking back.

Its the same reason why iPhones don't have removable storage or hardrive upgrades.

Tiny handheld electronics, no.  They are much harder to work on by their very nature because of the extremely tight fit and tiny parts.  But a desktop or laptop?  Yes, I do.  Like I say, I'm not asking for the entire inside to be user serviceable.  But hard drive and RAM upgrades are basic no-brainer stuff.  My 66 year-old mother could follow the instructions on a hard drive upgrade and pull it off.  It might be a little less annoying if the upgrades to RAM and hard drive capacity weren't so bloody expensive when you do those upgrades on the front end from Apple, though I'd still want to choke someone when the hard drive in my laptop crapped out and I couldn't have it replaced in 20 minutes of my time.

Perhaps you can explain to me what tangible benefit you gain from Apple soldering a hard drive to a motherboard or soldering RAM to the motherboard.  Maybe I'm missing something.  

The benefit of soldering RAM and harddrive is the same reason as on the iPhone:

save space

more reliable

stop users from putting crappy 3rd party crap in their computer

Everyone made a big deal about iPhones not having SD card slots a couple years ago. Those people look like idiots now. The same will be with Flash/RAM for Macbooks.

Again Apple is looking forward and you are looking back to the 1980's

This makes sense in something as small as an iPhone.  But there are finger width gaps inside this MBP case between some of the parts.  They weren't hurting for internal space that necessitated soldering the hard drive in.  So the save space argument holds no water.

The failure rate on hard drives over the connector to make it removable is minimal. Far lower than the failure rate of actual hard drives themselves.  This is a bullshit argument.

The price difference in high quality drives from Samsung, Crucial or OWC and "crappy 3rd party crap" isn't enough to make the vast majority of people who would undertake this buy the crap part.  

Apple has basically delivered infinitesimally small benefit to the user with this setup while taking real, practical benefits they previously had away.  And the only way around it is to pay for inflatedly priced upgrades on the front end...which still doesn't help you if the part goes bad.

sflocal said:

titantiger said:

Dear Apple,

Stop doing this shit.  No one likes it.  It's of zero benefit to your customers.  We don't care if it allows the laptop to be two microns thinner or a tenth of a gram lighter.  Two things should always be user upgradeable:  RAM and a hard drive.  If the motherboard or some power port is hard to access and replace, so be it.  Most people will never touch those things.  But if my hard drive craps out or the RAM goes blinky, I should be able to pop open a case, pull the bad part out and snap the good one in.  

I love Apple products, but this shit is getting old.

Waahhh.... 

It's a non-issue for just about everyone.  The fact that you feel progress means denying you a rarely-used ability is of zero consequence for just about everyone else.

Go cry elsewhere.  This is a solid update, removes a known failure-point, and uses the fastest SSD drives around.  Get lost.

Then you should be able to easily tell me not only how often these "failure points" actually fail and how much faster the drive is in this configuration over one that is removable.

sog35 said:

titantiger said:

fallenjt said:

I don't understand the whining behind this. If you can spend $1800+ for a laptop, why skim $200 for the storage? Really don't get it!

Because some people can't spend $1800 for a laptop.  It might be a stretch for them to spend $1499 for one and they can't afford pricey upgrades from Apple.  But they want to remain Apple customers and they buy the best one they can afford.  And if they need more storage later, they used to be able to know they could easily snag a larger drive off Amazon or from OWC for a good price and pop it in themselves in minutes.

Apple does not sell cheap crap.

You well know Apple sells premium products.

So $300 spread over 5 years is going to be a deal breaker? Really? We are talking literally 16 cents a day.

Like all Apple products you may pay more upfront, but its worth it.

Who said anything about wanting cheap crap?  The whole reason someone is paying extra for a Mac is that they recognize that.  And since when is being able to replace something as no-brainer as a hard drive an indication of said "cheap crap?"  Newsflash:  not everyone can spend whatever they wish on a laptop. And you aren't really delivering something of real benefit to them for this newly enforced additional premium.  

sflocal said:

What percentage of MacBook Pro users have ever replaced their hard drive or SSD drive?  I'll bet it's 1-2%, if even that.

This is a non-issue.  If it means better reliability by removing a known point of failure (albeit rare), and it being the fastest SSD drive speeds anywhere, I'm all for it.

No tears are shed from me.  I'm waiting for them to be in the stores so I can see one for myself, and likely purchase one.

The speed gains from this setup are minimal at best, as the article stated.  

And I've replaced hard drives on laptops a handful of times.  Once because the old one was going bad, once because the person wanted more drive capacity.  It's a normal DIY thing to be able to do.

No one's asking for the ability to change out the processor or put in a new fan assembly.  We know these aren't build-it-yourself towers.  But if you're going to take away a capability from me that can significantly save me time and money, you'd better be delivering a huge tangible benefit in return.  But they aren't.  So it comes off as a money grab and not caring about your customers.