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GeorgeBMac said:

nht said:

GeorgeBMac said:

nht said:

GeorgeBMac said:

nht said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

Here's a well considered take on the Huawei 5G problem;

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3005407/us-seeks-freeze-out-huawei-europe-using-rule-law-argument

"The US is engaged in a global campaign to keep Chinese tech companies out of advanced 5G networks promising faster connections, enabling uses such as autonomous vehicles and remote surgery. American officials fear that the Chinese government may force companies such as Huawei to incorporate software code or hardware that would allow Beijing to spy on the US or allies and disrupt sectors ranging from power to transport and manufacturing in a crisis."

“The most fundamental security standard, really, is that you cannot have this extrajudicial, non-rule of law compliant process where a government can tell its companies to do something,” Strayer said on Monday.

and,

"Australia, New Zealand and Japan have acceded to US requests to bar Huawei’s 5G equipment. Those allies have also banded together to provide aid to the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea so that they would reject a Huawei submarine cable carrying broadband connections, saying the line represents a national security threat at its connection point in Australia."

This is absolutely about national security, and not about "protectionism"; the U.S. doesn't have any existing 5G telecom manufacturers, relying instead on the marketplace. Unfortunately for Huawei, those CCP and Chinese Government Connections as well as the legal system that is beholden to the CCP, all are high risks for Western Liberal Governments. 

So let me get this straight:

A foreign country who has never attacked us might, maybe, sometime in the future ask one of their companies to reveal U.S. secretes and that company might, maybe do so in that hypothetical future and might maybe not reveal anything to any of their valued customers in the U.S. -- and that constitutes irrefutable proof that they are spies...   

Meanwhile asking a country who was in the process of attacking us to expand their attack into cyber warfare in order to over turn our election is not collusion.

Got it.

They have attacked us.  Read history genius.  PLA units directly attacked US units in the Korean War.

And, England attacked us...   So we should stop buying anything from England?

If England was constantly attacking us in cyberspace today then yes.

In any case you stated that they have never attacked us which is false.  I don’t think that even the Russians have attacked us directly with regular army units.  “Contractors” and “individual volunteers” yes.  Soviet divisions?  No.

LOL....  You stated China helped a country we were at war with 70 years ago and used that as justification that we should never do business with them again.   I merely pointed out that another country quite literally invaded us, burned our capital, and yet you think that is of no importance or relevance.   It seems you are cherry picking the justification for who you have chosen as an enemy.

It's a problem with many ideologues:   They come up with the conclusion first and then look for something to justify that conclusion.

Nope.  You stated "A foreign country who has never attacked us" which is categorically a false statement genius.

Everything else you're writing is just deflection that you don't know history and stated something completely wrong.  The US and UK are linked in a fundamental way and the War of 1812 was declared by the US, not the UK which was busy in the Napoleonic Wars.  Something else you are completely unaware of because you don't know history.  Genius.  They didn't "invade us", they bitch slapped us with a raid of only 2500 soldiers for being stupid in declaring war on one of the major powers of the world while being completely unprepared and unorganized.  

On the plus side we managed to recover and not do too terribly badly in such an ill considered war and ended being more trouble than it was worth to actually invade.

Genius.

LOL...  ...  "Genius"... So it really was China who attacked our 2016 and 2018 elections?  Or, is it that you simply believe the Trumpian propaganda from the guy living in the house that is painted white -- because the British attacked it and burned it awhile back.  Or, maybe we should talk about his friends in Saudi Arabia who knocked down a couple buildings in New York?  

ROFL...  yes, "China attacked us" -- in the alternative reality of so called conservatives.

You need to deal in facts rather then political rhetoric.   In this case, the U.S. is attacking China and its company Huawei with a Russian style disinformation campaign in order to gain political advantage.

GeorgeBMac said:

nht said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

Here's a well considered take on the Huawei 5G problem;

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3005407/us-seeks-freeze-out-huawei-europe-using-rule-law-argument

"The US is engaged in a global campaign to keep Chinese tech companies out of advanced 5G networks promising faster connections, enabling uses such as autonomous vehicles and remote surgery. American officials fear that the Chinese government may force companies such as Huawei to incorporate software code or hardware that would allow Beijing to spy on the US or allies and disrupt sectors ranging from power to transport and manufacturing in a crisis."

“The most fundamental security standard, really, is that you cannot have this extrajudicial, non-rule of law compliant process where a government can tell its companies to do something,” Strayer said on Monday.

and,

"Australia, New Zealand and Japan have acceded to US requests to bar Huawei’s 5G equipment. Those allies have also banded together to provide aid to the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea so that they would reject a Huawei submarine cable carrying broadband connections, saying the line represents a national security threat at its connection point in Australia."

This is absolutely about national security, and not about "protectionism"; the U.S. doesn't have any existing 5G telecom manufacturers, relying instead on the marketplace. Unfortunately for Huawei, those CCP and Chinese Government Connections as well as the legal system that is beholden to the CCP, all are high risks for Western Liberal Governments. 

So let me get this straight:

A foreign country who has never attacked us might, maybe, sometime in the future ask one of their companies to reveal U.S. secretes and that company might, maybe do so in that hypothetical future and might maybe not reveal anything to any of their valued customers in the U.S. -- and that constitutes irrefutable proof that they are spies...   

Meanwhile asking a country who was in the process of attacking us to expand their attack into cyber warfare in order to over turn our election is not collusion.

Got it.

They have attacked us.  Read history genius.  PLA units directly attacked US units in the Korean War.

And, England attacked us...   So we should stop buying anything from England?

avon b7 said:

melgross said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

hentaiboy said:

AppleExposed said:

Now with embedded spy chip!

NO THANKS.

yojimbo007 said:

Lol... while the world is absolutely suspect of Huawei’s credibility In the security realm ... they want to sell to the The Biggest Ani-Huawei brand, Apple ...lol

The Brits are happy enough to use Huawei.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-europe-britain/britain-managing-huawei-risks-has-no-evidence-of-spying-official-idUSKCN1Q91PM

That isn't precisely accurate;

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47830056

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/28/hcsec_huawei_oversight_board_savaging_annual_report/

https://technode.com/2019/04/02/discussing-huawei-in-a-chinese-coffee-shop/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-top-huawei-executive-says-not-even-xi-jinping-could-compel-it-to-help/

Why would any liberal democracy trust in a company like Huawei so well entrenched in the CCP.

Buy Samsung, Nokia and Ericsson. 

Do you think anyone trusts anyone else?

Huawei is the top communications backbone infrastructure manufacturer - worldwide.

That's a lot of countries. The only thing that has changed is a campaign by the US government to try a prevent Chinese communications technology leapfrogging US efforts and gaining tech influence.

In a word, protectionism.

Much of the rest of the world is basically saying 'tough luck'. They don't really care about who has telecommunications dominance unless it is them, and it isn't. They care about products and cost.

17 hours ago Donald Trump told the Spanish Prime Minister to ban Huawei. He was swiftly rebuffed and Pedro Sánchez made it clear that that wasn't going to happen.

Huawei is a couple of years ahead of the game in 5G. It would cost governments BILLIONS to change tack on Huawei at such a late stage. And, in spite of repeated requests, no evidence supporting the US claims has ever been provided. Not even to, erm, 'allies' who the US is spying on anyway! We know this for various reasons, not least Edward Snowden.

But that has nothing to do with Huawei anyway. 

That’s very funny.

Funny?

Protectionism:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2019/01/30/the-shameful-persecution-of-huawei-by-americas-protectionist-class/

Technological Lead:

"Petty said that when it came to technology, Huawei "is a long way in front" – with Ericsson in second place and Nokia third."

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/07/vodafone_huawei_ban/

"In spite of tensions with the US and its allies, Huawei is rapidly building a suite of AI offerings unmatched by any other company on the planet"

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612914/chinas-huawei-has-big-ambitions-to-weaken-the-uss-grip-on-ai-leadership/

Cost:

https://www.techradar.com/news/huawei-5g-ban-could-cost-uk-economy-pound68bn

Snowden:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/26/huawei-the-us-security-accusation-of-our-5g-has-no-evidence-nothing/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26712564

https://www.politico.eu/article/huawei-telecoms-mobile-world-congress-fair-how-huawei-won-barcelona/

Rebuff (Spanish):

https://okdiario.com/economia/trump-pide-espana-que-penalice-huawei-sanchez-lo-rechaza-ser-vital-telefonica-3955188

Funny? This is funny...

gatorguy said:

nht said:

gatorguy said:

clarker99 said:

avon b7 said:

Shill

Completely unnecessary. Adds nothing but distraction to the thread. Feel free to disagree but really, name-calling is what it comes down to?  

Says the other shill.

LOL. Actually expected that from someone else but peas and pods are a natural, doesn't matter which pea drops in. Welcome to the thread. 

gatorguy said:

clarker99 said:

avon b7 said:

Shill

Completely unnecessary. Adds nothing but distraction to the thread. Feel free to disagree but really, name-calling is what it comes down to?