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GeorgeBMac said:

With Apple Watch's main thrust going towards health and fitness I would like to see a comparison done by say, a cross country coach or committed athlete.

Also, I cringe at the statement that the single lead EKG on the Apple Watch provides the same amount of information ("does the same thing") as a 12 lead in a physician's office.   They don't put those extra 11 leads on because they're bored.   Each lead serves an explicit purpose that no single lead can match.   That's not to disparage the AW EKG -- just the claim that its "does the same" as medical grade 12 lead.  That's like claiming a pickup truck does the same as a 12 ton dump truck.   Yes, they both "carry stuff", but...

tmay said:

You said "wait and see" about the X, and state it was an anniversary model, and that it wasn't selling well, all of which were false. I have stated the it was the new design, which is true, that it was Apple's most successful single model, which is also true. It looks obvious that Apple has deprecated TouchID, and that the iPhone 8's will be the last current models with that feature, as well as the "chin".

So "wait and see" is just your standard denier of Apple success with the iPhone X. 

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

maciekskontakt said:

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anantksundaram said:

avon b7 said:

Is there a difference between the camera mode you are describing and what Huawei phones have done for years?

The reason I ask is that when they announced the feature I automatically assumed it would be different but what you describe is practically identical to how Huawei phones have operated since the P9. I thought it was already possible on Apple's dual lens phones.

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Or is not so much what it does as how it does it?

Huawei? Who cares. Do major US network carriers even carry that pos?

So you assume that rest of the world does not matter, huh? Arrogance like that does not pay of. Huiwaei dominates markets elswhere and perhaps instead of being arrogant you may need reality check that those phones as well as Samsung dominate in Europe and Apple iPhone is nowhere near. You should star caring because on competitive markets other vendors build solutions that Apple follows (not leads) and some brainwash seems to be out there that Apple is the only innovator. The fact is that Apple came with few features 9(like biometrics) later than Samsung for example, but Samsung never claimed it was copied by Apple so you assume that Apple was first. Instead of reading only Apple news maye be you should start tracking general technology state. You would be surprized what you did not know and assumed that only one vendor innovates.

Yes we do care about Huwaei, Samsung, LG and Google. Some pople did not review some features and thise dominant on other markets companies already have some stuff that nobody seems here to have a clue about. On top of that some of it is far more practical. Some even say that Pixel 2 photo quality is now top on the market - not Apple iPhones. there will be those now claimin that Aperture mode is so innovative. Well on phones it alreay exist, and it was used on SLR cameras (I used it for years) for decades now. It just got squeezed into smaller package - nothing else.

I'll post this link;

https://www.ped30.com/2018/09/20/counterpoint-regions-apple-iphone/

Apple doesn't have an iPhone under $449, though there may be lower cost models manufacturer for India.

Seriously, do you think that this data makes Apple look bad?

Sure, Apple doesn't cater at all to the under $400 market, where the bulk of Huawei's sales are, but I will state that it is likely that Apple will sell a similar number of XS and XS Max units World Wide by the end of this month, as Huawei has sold of the P20 series since its March release. The P20 Pro isn't a great seller, although Avon B7 has tried to portray it as a great success, with pretty flakey data. Maybe it is. Nonetheless, is a likelihood that Apple will sell 80 to 85 million iPhones next quarter, and about 70% of those, will be the X models.

Being first with niche features is a fool's game, but appropriate for the Android OS device market, where any differentiation at all is a huge marketing necessity. That's likely why we see mostly unbaked innovation in these devices first. Apple, works off of internal roadmap, so these companies, and their customers, as guinea pigs for new features is actually savvy.

Flakey data?

Niche features?

The data on P20 Series sales came straight from Huawei. Official numbers. It has been a massive success.

anton zuykov said:

nunzy said:

Apple doesn't do cheap. Cheapskates buy Google.

You mean, they sell themselves to Google?

avon b7 said:

imergingenious said:

tmay said:

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9secondkox2 said:

You have to wonde if the board is happy about this. 

1) they just rewarded Apple customers with a product huawei paid for. 

2) they GAVE away product to a competitors customers. 

3) the messaging was actually not untrue. Everyone needs to charge their smart device at some point. A power bank is a great way to do it. 

4) ZERO recipients will look at this and then think: “oh I’m going to buy these guys products now”

5) must be for publicity only. 

Point 5.

People are talking about it. Even people who say they don't care will be looking out of the corner of one eye on October 16th just to see if there is anything interesting to write home about. For those who have bought a new 2018 iPhone, it will obviously be compared to the Mate 20, if only to reassure them that the price was worth it. For those sitting on the fence, there is a double hook. The Mate 20 itself and the P20 Pro will drop in price. If you want the tri camera, low light long exposure, hand held photography, 3x optical zoom (5x hybrid) and all that, the P20 Pro might tempt them seeing as Apple hasn't provided any of that this year and the P20 Series is Supercharge capable anyway.

Even the most stalwart iPhone user will probably have some curiosity.

Does Huawei have iOS?

It doesn't. That's the rub for some 90% of current iPhone users.

Even then, there are plenty of other devices coming on the market that will also be a "curiosity" with similar capabilities to the Mate 20. How will Huawei continue to stick out from the Android OS crowd? It's a lot of effort to enjoy a feature lead measured in weeks.

Seems like Huawei would do well to keep its attack Samsung, but needs to keep an eye on the other Chinese OEM's as well, you know, the whole value proposition crowd.

Huawei has no feature lead.  Huawei doesn't include the same level of Haptics and Speakers as the iPhones, and the battery life (not size) is no better. How many other phones besides the Pixel use eSIM? that is a major feature that travelers will love.  Dual SIM with eSIM is better than just dual SIM. Pressure sensitivity with good software support? Also, a lot of the press is downplaying the fact that this has a chassis made of polished stainless steel with diamond like coating.  The materials are more luxurious and functionally better than anything else except possibly the phONE that flopped for other reasons (mainly the bad camera at launch and poor marketing). 

Feature lead?

Modem? 3x Optical Zoom? AIIS? Battery? Dual SIM? ...