tzeshan

tundraboy said:

tzeshan said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

tzeshan said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

SpamSandwich said:

cpsro said:

And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?

And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.

Not strange at all.  China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective.   Thanks China!   The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did. 

Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions?   Ordering factories, schools and shops to close?   Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days?  Building major new hospitals in a matter of days?   And so on.

Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic.  And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak.   Shameful!

Thanks China!

Bullshit!

Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;

https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-shuns-offers-from-world-health-organization-and-centers-for-disease-control-to-help-with-coronavirus

That was 11 days ago,

"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/480314-us-looks-to-send-health-experts-to-china-amid

That was January 28, 8 days after China officially announced to the world, the virus.

https://twitter.com/niubi/status/1230132566440714241

All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.

If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.

Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!

Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear.   Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding.   Go figure.

Did China spurn U.S. help?   Probably.   Can you blame them?   That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.

So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.

It depends on what kind of help US is offering. 

I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.

That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites.   They only tell you what they want you to think.  You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.

I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN. 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/19/1920313/-COVID-19-reaches-75-000-cases-and-2-000-death-but-there-are-hopeful-signs-around-the-world?utm_campaign=recent

Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.

You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!

I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words. 

Tzeshan, it is not a bad thing to love your country.  But stop being an apologist.  Making fine distinctions between being arrested by the police and being ordered to sign an apology/retraction on threat of who-knows-what does not help your case.  A lot of Chinese citizens are upset about how this was handled by the Chinese authorities.   And it was.  Mainly because in an authoritarian state, the lower officials are always afraid to  bring bad news to the big boss.  Surely you will not defend Xi Jinping from the accusation that he neutralized all sources of viable opposition and made himself dictator-for-lie of China?

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

tzeshan said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

SpamSandwich said:

cpsro said:

And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?

And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.

Not strange at all.  China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective.   Thanks China!   The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did. 

Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions?   Ordering factories, schools and shops to close?   Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days?  Building major new hospitals in a matter of days?   And so on.

Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic.  And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak.   Shameful!

Thanks China!

Bullshit!

Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;

https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-shuns-offers-from-world-health-organization-and-centers-for-disease-control-to-help-with-coronavirus

That was 11 days ago,

"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/480314-us-looks-to-send-health-experts-to-china-amid

That was January 28, 8 days after China officially announced to the world, the virus.

https://twitter.com/niubi/status/1230132566440714241

All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.

If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.

Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!

Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear.   Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding.   Go figure.

Did China spurn U.S. help?   Probably.   Can you blame them?   That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.

So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.

It depends on what kind of help US is offering. 

I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.

That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites.   They only tell you what they want you to think.  You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.

I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN. 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/19/1920313/-COVID-19-reaches-75-000-cases-and-2-000-death-but-there-are-hopeful-signs-around-the-world?utm_campaign=recent

Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.

You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

SpamSandwich said:

cpsro said:

And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?

And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.

Not strange at all.  China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective.   Thanks China!   The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did. 

Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions?   Ordering factories, schools and shops to close?   Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days?  Building major new hospitals in a matter of days?   And so on.

Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic.  And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak.   Shameful!

Thanks China!

Bullshit!

Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;

https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-shuns-offers-from-world-health-organization-and-centers-for-disease-control-to-help-with-coronavirus

That was 11 days ago,

"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/480314-us-looks-to-send-health-experts-to-china-amid

That was January 28, 8 days after China officially announced to the world, the virus.

https://twitter.com/niubi/status/1230132566440714241

All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.

If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.

Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!

Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear.   Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding.   Go figure.

Did China spurn U.S. help?   Probably.   Can you blame them?   That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.

So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.