In the end, the world will thank Chinese Communist Party for ordering lockdown of a 11 million city and thus effectively preventing the spread of a deadly virus. This is the perspective I see after almost one month of the COVID-19 event.
In the end, the world will know that the CCP initially attempted to cover up the epidemic, and hence had to move to a mitigation strategy of containment by lockdown.
How wonderful to know that China brought this on themselves, but thanks for containing it mostly to themselves as well, all the while complaining about how awful it is that other countries have travel bans in place to, of all things, contain COVID-19 in their own countries before it creates a pandemic.
You have a habit of using imagination and tend to be brainwashed by people like Rush Limbaugh. Initially it is not an epidemic yet. So why how you conclude that CCO initially attempted to cover up an epidemic?
I have never listened to Rush, I don't buy Epochtimes either, but given the number of deaths it is surely an outbreak/epidemic as the CDC uses both terms interchangeably.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
Topline: Chinese President Xi Jinping was aware of the coronavirus two weeks before he acknowledged it publicly, according to an internal speech published by state media, an admission that could fuel more criticism as China’s Communist Party faces intense international and domestic backlash for its handling of the deadly virus.
In remarks to top government officials earlier this month, Xi said he “issued demands about the efforts to prevent and control” the disease on January 7—two weeks before he made his first public comments about the virus on January 20.
The speech was published by state media in an apparent effort to show that Xi took charge of the country’s response from the beginning, but it may result in more criticism that the Chinese government didn’t sound the alarm early enough.
The Chinese officials have been facing unprecedented anger from citizens who say the government suppressed information about the severity of the outbreak early on.
In response to the fury, local government officials have been fired.
"Key background: The Chinese public has focused their anger around the case of Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for attempting to warn the public about the dangers of the virus in December. Local authorities asked him to sign a letter acknowledging he made "false comments" after he wrote about the disease in his medical school alumni group on messaging service WeChat. Li later contracted coronavirus and eventually died on February 7, resulting in an outpouring of fury and grief over how he was treated."
I guessing that your social score is zooming up with all your defense of the PRC! /s
No! This virus is not SARS. Because the symptoms are different. Chinese doctors spent nearly two months trying to determine what virus it is.
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
The point is, that there was warning of an "unusual pneumonia", and it was ignored until January 7th, and it wasn't until January 20 that it was announced to China and the world. That's 3 weeks of additional exposure for a virus that has an incubation period of at least 10 days. Even Xi Jinping announcing it on the 7th would have made a difference in how far and wide the virus was transmitted.
There was another report that one of the Military Academies in Wutan had a massive change in security on the 2nd. That's evidence of an additional 5 days that China waited to act.
This is not reading comprehension. It is a problem of your logic. And we all know now that WHO has said this is a new virus named COVID-19. Chinese doctors tried to understand it. Initially they think this virus will not be transmitted from human to human. So it should not cause panic to the public. This is their single biggest mistake. As the number of new cases start to pile up, the famous Chinese expert Zhong announced it can be transmitted from human to human on Jan 20. Today the experts of the world still don't fully understand how the virus is transmitted. This is why Japan ordered the Diamond Princess cruised not to dock. Although all the passengers used madk, washed hands, and stayed in the cabin, the virus still spread to 524 people. This incident could refute many of your wrong conclusions regarding China.
Ugh ... there's no telling when this COVID-19 outbreak will end - heck there's no telling if it's going to visit us soon (our numbers have been frozen in amber and we're not testing symptomatic patients, even on request).
This thing probably has a R naught waaayyy higher than most popular estimates - and stock prices are just staying up buoyed by good thoughts.
Apple's got way too much reliance on China - they've got 10,000 CNC milling machines in their China facilities, and you don't just throw ten into a first class envelope and mail 'em to India.
Between the demand, manufacturing, and parts-sourcing ends, they're pretty much stuck in China for the foreseeable future.
If they activate a factory and they get a single COVID-19 case, they go into lockdown with all workers quarantined (despite what the schizophrenic central government wants to do). And I sincerely hope they're UVing all product through each macro stage of the assembly line. (Their JIT production/delivery model is way too fast for my comfort level).
China is similar in land area to the USA. Fires in California, or floods in the South don't shut down the entire country. Three mile island didn't turn the whole country into a wasteland. About 40,000 Americans die in car crashed every year. That doesn't stop all economic activity across the country.
Also, a factory is probably one of the easiest facilities to keep clean. The rapid spread of this virus is largely related to lots of people living in close quarters with janky plumbing. It's more surprising that this sort of thing isn't occurring more often in China and in emerging nations with extremely dense populations.
China's shutdown of massive transportation and big events to contain a rapid spreading of a cold virus is excessive caution. If this were a really deadly plague, we wouldn't be reading of 1500 deaths after two months of 11 million people being confined in a megacity.
While the Chinese government was wallowing in denial, they held a 40,000 family festival in Wuhan seven miles from ground zero. Then came the new year, and five million Wuhan residents began the diaspora to destinations all throughout China to visit their home towns before the Wuhan quarantine. This basically shotgunned COVID-19 throughout the country.
Before February 14, in order to be included in the official infection pool you had to have a positive PCR test for COVID-19 RNA, and there weren't enough test kits to go around (and they were only available in urban hospitals). Afterwards, you were included if you were symptomatic with respiratory difficulty and a blood oxygen level below 93 requiring hospitalization. There are currently 150 million Chinese citizens under lockdown. Take a gander at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map for geographic distributions.
The issue isn't just keeping the factories clean - it's keeping the workers from infecting one another in close quarters (watch a video of an average assembly line). COVID-19 spreads by droplet, droplet depositation, and possibly aerosol (and yes, probably via fecal contamination).
Most cases are pretty light like a cold or flu, but 15% or so are serious enough to require hospitalization and 5% or so involving ARDS. Of those, about 1-2.1% die. It affects most strongly the elderly and infirm, and seems to bypass (or infect asymptomatically) the very young.
I've seen R naught values from 2.5 to over 6 and it spreads like the dickens. There is the possibility that secondary infections - infections after the first infection - may be particularly deadly. In any case, snuffing out this thing, even with the draconian methods used by China appears to be very, very difficult. If it spreads in the west, can you see any western country quarantining entire cities?
I've seen statistics that if this escapes into the world at large, there is a possibility of 60% of the world's population being infected, and the strain it would put on heathcare systems would be untenable.
While the fatality rate seems low, it seems to have a death rate 50-100 times higher than the H1N1 currently burning its way through the world, and a serious (hospitalization) rate way higher than anything we've seen recently. Remember: we've got a vaccine for H1N1 and a certain level of herd immunity - no such thing with COVID-19.
As for the death rate in China: you're not a COVID-19 death unless you're officially in the COVID-19 infection pool, and what we see when we see the numbers are the cases serious enough to go to the hospital. Most COVID-19 cases are staying at home, and the crematoria in Wuhan which previously ran 4 hours a day are now running 24x7. There's so much SO2 that it's visible from space, and there's currently no industrial activity there to account for any of that.
I got out of Apple when it first started hitting the fan, and the market has buoyed it up - probably due to index fund buyers - who are going through a pavlovian streak of buying the dip.
I think all tech companies (not just Apple) are in serious doo-doo, because the atoms used to build our modern devices come overwhelmingly from China, and a good part of manufacturing takes place there due to local expertise, low labor costs, and proximity to parts suppliers - whose factories have also been incapacitated by the quarantines.
Except Wuhan and the province Hubei, Covid-19 is under control world wide. Outside China there are 900 confirmed cases and 124 have cured. Only three have died. Much less than the influenzas deaths this year.
You are looking at it from the absolute numbers point of view. The real threat is in how quickly and easily this virus spreads as well as the mortality rate of this virus, which is 290 times as high as of the common flu virus.
That’s the reason that China has over 60 million people under a lockdown in their apartments and another 780 million people under travel restrictions. That’s the reason that China almost completely shut down their economy for so long.
The real picture here is the scale of the effort to contain the virus and not the scale of the numbers of those infected and those who died from the virus. Without these extraordinary measures to contain the virus, there would have been hundreds of millions of infected and many millions dead by now, and the numbers would be continuing to rise exponentially.
Except that it's not anywhere close to "290 times as high". Propaganda?
It absolutely is 290 times as deadly, based on the official Chinese-reported mortality rate.
Look up the common flu mortality rate (8.6 deaths per 100,000) and the official Chinese numbers on the mortality rate of this Coronavirus, which is 2.5%. Then do some elementary school math and see for yourself.
In reality, the mortality rate of this virus far exceeds the official 2.5% number. So it’s absolutely correct to say that the mortality rate is, at least, 290 times that of the common flu.
In the end, the world will thank Chinese Communist Party for ordering lockdown of a 11 million city and thus effectively preventing the spread of a deadly virus. This is the perspective I see after almost one month of the COVID-19 event.
In the end, the world will know that the CCP initially attempted to cover up the epidemic, and hence had to move to a mitigation strategy of containment by lockdown.
How wonderful to know that China brought this on themselves, but thanks for containing it mostly to themselves as well, all the while complaining about how awful it is that other countries have travel bans in place to, of all things, contain COVID-19 in their own countries before it creates a pandemic.
You have a habit of using imagination and tend to be brainwashed by people like Rush Limbaugh. Initially it is not an epidemic yet. So why how you conclude that CCO initially attempted to cover up an epidemic?
I have never listened to Rush, I don't buy Epochtimes either, but given the number of deaths it is surely an outbreak/epidemic as the CDC uses both terms interchangeably.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
Topline: Chinese President Xi Jinping was aware of the coronavirus two weeks before he acknowledged it publicly, according to an internal speech published by state media, an admission that could fuel more criticism as China’s Communist Party faces intense international and domestic backlash for its handling of the deadly virus.
In remarks to top government officials earlier this month, Xi said he “issued demands about the efforts to prevent and control” the disease on January 7—two weeks before he made his first public comments about the virus on January 20.
The speech was published by state media in an apparent effort to show that Xi took charge of the country’s response from the beginning, but it may result in more criticism that the Chinese government didn’t sound the alarm early enough.
The Chinese officials have been facing unprecedented anger from citizens who say the government suppressed information about the severity of the outbreak early on.
In response to the fury, local government officials have been fired.
"Key background: The Chinese public has focused their anger around the case of Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for attempting to warn the public about the dangers of the virus in December. Local authorities asked him to sign a letter acknowledging he made "false comments" after he wrote about the disease in his medical school alumni group on messaging service WeChat. Li later contracted coronavirus and eventually died on February 7, resulting in an outpouring of fury and grief over how he was treated."
I guessing that your social score is zooming up with all your defense of the PRC! /s
No! This virus is not SARS. Because the symptoms are different. Chinese doctors spent nearly two months trying to determine what virus it is.
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
The point is, that there was warning of an "unusual pneumonia", and it was ignored until January 7th, and it wasn't until January 20 that it was announced to China and the world. That's 3 weeks of additional exposure for a virus that has an incubation period of at least 10 days. Even Xi Jinping announcing it on the 7th would have made a difference in how far and wide the virus was transmitted.
There was another report that one of the Military Academies in Wutan had a massive change in security on the 2nd. That's evidence of an additional 5 days that China waited to act.
This is not reading comprehension. It is a problem of your logic. And we all know now that WHO has said this is a new virus named COVID-19. Chinese doctors tried to understand it. Initially they think this virus will not be transmitted from human to human. So it should not cause panic to the public. This is their single biggest mistake. As the number of new cases start to pile up, the famous Chinese expert Zhong announced it can be transmitted from human to human on Jan 20. Today the experts of the world still don't fully understand how the virus is transmitted. This is why Japan ordered the Diamond Princess cruised not to dock. Although all the passengers used madk, washed hands, and stayed in the cabin, the virus still spread to 524 people. This incident could refute many of your wrong conclusions regarding China.
I'm sure you have a link for all that, because there is obvious evidence that Li Wenliang knew that it was infectious on December 30, when he told the other doctors, all of whom were arrested, I might add. The fact that doctors didn't know the exact method of transmission didn't obviate the need for precautionary announcements earlier.
No links, no necessity on my part to even consider your post accurate, and frankly, I haven't made any wrong conclusions about China's handling of this.
In the end, the world will thank Chinese Communist Party for ordering lockdown of a 11 million city and thus effectively preventing the spread of a deadly virus. This is the perspective I see after almost one month of the COVID-19 event.
In the end, the world will know that the CCP initially attempted to cover up the epidemic, and hence had to move to a mitigation strategy of containment by lockdown.
How wonderful to know that China brought this on themselves, but thanks for containing it mostly to themselves as well, all the while complaining about how awful it is that other countries have travel bans in place to, of all things, contain COVID-19 in their own countries before it creates a pandemic.
You have a habit of using imagination and tend to be brainwashed by people like Rush Limbaugh. Initially it is not an epidemic yet. So why how you conclude that CCO initially attempted to cover up an epidemic?
I have never listened to Rush, I don't buy Epochtimes either, but given the number of deaths it is surely an outbreak/epidemic as the CDC uses both terms interchangeably.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
Topline: Chinese President Xi Jinping was aware of the coronavirus two weeks before he acknowledged it publicly, according to an internal speech published by state media, an admission that could fuel more criticism as China’s Communist Party faces intense international and domestic backlash for its handling of the deadly virus.
In remarks to top government officials earlier this month, Xi said he “issued demands about the efforts to prevent and control” the disease on January 7—two weeks before he made his first public comments about the virus on January 20.
The speech was published by state media in an apparent effort to show that Xi took charge of the country’s response from the beginning, but it may result in more criticism that the Chinese government didn’t sound the alarm early enough.
The Chinese officials have been facing unprecedented anger from citizens who say the government suppressed information about the severity of the outbreak early on.
In response to the fury, local government officials have been fired.
"Key background: The Chinese public has focused their anger around the case of Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for attempting to warn the public about the dangers of the virus in December. Local authorities asked him to sign a letter acknowledging he made "false comments" after he wrote about the disease in his medical school alumni group on messaging service WeChat. Li later contracted coronavirus and eventually died on February 7, resulting in an outpouring of fury and grief over how he was treated."
I guessing that your social score is zooming up with all your defense of the PRC! /s
No! This virus is not SARS. Because the symptoms are different. Chinese doctors spent nearly two months trying to determine what virus it is.
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
The point is, that there was warning of an "unusual pneumonia", and it was ignored until January 7th, and it wasn't until January 20 that it was announced to China and the world. That's 3 weeks of additional exposure for a virus that has an incubation period of at least 10 days. Even Xi Jinping announcing it on the 7th would have made a difference in how far and wide the virus was transmitted.
There was another report that one of the Military Academies in Wutan had a massive change in security on the 2nd. That's evidence of an additional 5 days that China waited to act.
This is not reading comprehension. It is a problem of your logic. And we all know now that WHO has said this is a new virus named COVID-19. Chinese doctors tried to understand it. Initially they think this virus will not be transmitted from human to human. So it should not cause panic to the public. This is their single biggest mistake. As the number of new cases start to pile up, the famous Chinese expert Zhong announced it can be transmitted from human to human on Jan 20. Today the experts of the world still don't fully understand how the virus is transmitted. This is why Japan ordered the Diamond Princess cruised not to dock. Although all the passengers used madk, washed hands, and stayed in the cabin, the virus still spread to 524 people. This incident could refute many of your wrong conclusions regarding China.
I'm sure you have a link for all that, because there is obvious evidence that Li Wenliang knew that it was infectious on December 30, when he told the other doctors, all of whom were arrested, I might add. The fact that doctors didn't know the exact method of transmission didn't obviate the need for precautionary announcements earlier.
No links, no necessity on my part to even consider your post accurate, and frankly, I haven't made any wrong conclusions about China's handling of this.
There is distortion in your discussion. Li Wenliang was not arrested! He is summoned by police and warned not to spread rumors. He was released and continue to serve as an eye doctor. What he said to his friends through social media is there are six cases of SARS-like diseases and cautioned them. In fact by mid-January this "unknown pneumonia" has been known to Wuhan doctors.
In the end, the world will thank Chinese Communist Party for ordering lockdown of a 11 million city and thus effectively preventing the spread of a deadly virus. This is the perspective I see after almost one month of the COVID-19 event.
In the end, the world will know that the CCP initially attempted to cover up the epidemic, and hence had to move to a mitigation strategy of containment by lockdown.
How wonderful to know that China brought this on themselves, but thanks for containing it mostly to themselves as well, all the while complaining about how awful it is that other countries have travel bans in place to, of all things, contain COVID-19 in their own countries before it creates a pandemic.
You have a habit of using imagination and tend to be brainwashed by people like Rush Limbaugh. Initially it is not an epidemic yet. So why how you conclude that CCO initially attempted to cover up an epidemic?
I have never listened to Rush, I don't buy Epochtimes either, but given the number of deaths it is surely an outbreak/epidemic as the CDC uses both terms interchangeably.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
Topline: Chinese President Xi Jinping was aware of the coronavirus two weeks before he acknowledged it publicly, according to an internal speech published by state media, an admission that could fuel more criticism as China’s Communist Party faces intense international and domestic backlash for its handling of the deadly virus.
In remarks to top government officials earlier this month, Xi said he “issued demands about the efforts to prevent and control” the disease on January 7—two weeks before he made his first public comments about the virus on January 20.
The speech was published by state media in an apparent effort to show that Xi took charge of the country’s response from the beginning, but it may result in more criticism that the Chinese government didn’t sound the alarm early enough.
The Chinese officials have been facing unprecedented anger from citizens who say the government suppressed information about the severity of the outbreak early on.
In response to the fury, local government officials have been fired.
"Key background: The Chinese public has focused their anger around the case of Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for attempting to warn the public about the dangers of the virus in December. Local authorities asked him to sign a letter acknowledging he made "false comments" after he wrote about the disease in his medical school alumni group on messaging service WeChat. Li later contracted coronavirus and eventually died on February 7, resulting in an outpouring of fury and grief over how he was treated."
I guessing that your social score is zooming up with all your defense of the PRC! /s
No! This virus is not SARS. Because the symptoms are different. Chinese doctors spent nearly two months trying to determine what virus it is.
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
The point is, that there was warning of an "unusual pneumonia", and it was ignored until January 7th, and it wasn't until January 20 that it was announced to China and the world. That's 3 weeks of additional exposure for a virus that has an incubation period of at least 10 days. Even Xi Jinping announcing it on the 7th would have made a difference in how far and wide the virus was transmitted.
There was another report that one of the Military Academies in Wutan had a massive change in security on the 2nd. That's evidence of an additional 5 days that China waited to act.
This is not reading comprehension. It is a problem of your logic. And we all know now that WHO has said this is a new virus named COVID-19. Chinese doctors tried to understand it. Initially they think this virus will not be transmitted from human to human. So it should not cause panic to the public. This is their single biggest mistake. As the number of new cases start to pile up, the famous Chinese expert Zhong announced it can be transmitted from human to human on Jan 20. Today the experts of the world still don't fully understand how the virus is transmitted. This is why Japan ordered the Diamond Princess cruised not to dock. Although all the passengers used madk, washed hands, and stayed in the cabin, the virus still spread to 524 people. This incident could refute many of your wrong conclusions regarding China.
I'm sure you have a link for all that, because there is obvious evidence that Li Wenliang knew that it was infectious on December 30, when he told the other doctors, all of whom were arrested, I might add. The fact that doctors didn't know the exact method of transmission didn't obviate the need for precautionary announcements earlier.
No links, no necessity on my part to even consider your post accurate, and frankly, I haven't made any wrong conclusions about China's handling of this.
There is distortion in your discussion. Li Wenliang was not arrested! He is summoned by police and warned not to spread rumors. He was released and continue to serve as an eye doctor. What he said to his friends through social media is there are six cases of SARS-like diseases and cautioned them. In fact by mid-January this "unknown pneumonia" has been known to Wuhan doctors.
"Still, WHO praised the Chinese government for its “transparency,” yet Wuhan police started rounding up Li and the other doctors on New Year’s Day for “fabricating, disseminating and spreading rumors.” Each was forced to sign a pre-written, fabricated confession admitting their “wrongdoings” and promising to never do it again."
Okay, not an "arrest" per se, yet Wuhan police started "rounding up Li and other doctors", forced them to sign prewritten statements, and that certainly doesn't sound like they were "summoned". Nonetheless, the suppression continued until January 20th.
I will note, that it would have been more appropriate to have hospital administration or regional medical officials confront these doctors, rather than police, but hey, this is China we are talking about.
In the end, the world will thank Chinese Communist Party for ordering lockdown of a 11 million city and thus effectively preventing the spread of a deadly virus. This is the perspective I see after almost one month of the COVID-19 event.
In the end, the world will know that the CCP initially attempted to cover up the epidemic, and hence had to move to a mitigation strategy of containment by lockdown.
How wonderful to know that China brought this on themselves, but thanks for containing it mostly to themselves as well, all the while complaining about how awful it is that other countries have travel bans in place to, of all things, contain COVID-19 in their own countries before it creates a pandemic.
You have a habit of using imagination and tend to be brainwashed by people like Rush Limbaugh. Initially it is not an epidemic yet. So why how you conclude that CCO initially attempted to cover up an epidemic?
I have never listened to Rush, I don't buy Epochtimes either, but given the number of deaths it is surely an outbreak/epidemic as the CDC uses both terms interchangeably.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
Topline: Chinese President Xi Jinping was aware of the coronavirus two weeks before he acknowledged it publicly, according to an internal speech published by state media, an admission that could fuel more criticism as China’s Communist Party faces intense international and domestic backlash for its handling of the deadly virus.
In remarks to top government officials earlier this month, Xi said he “issued demands about the efforts to prevent and control” the disease on January 7—two weeks before he made his first public comments about the virus on January 20.
The speech was published by state media in an apparent effort to show that Xi took charge of the country’s response from the beginning, but it may result in more criticism that the Chinese government didn’t sound the alarm early enough.
The Chinese officials have been facing unprecedented anger from citizens who say the government suppressed information about the severity of the outbreak early on.
In response to the fury, local government officials have been fired.
"Key background: The Chinese public has focused their anger around the case of Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for attempting to warn the public about the dangers of the virus in December. Local authorities asked him to sign a letter acknowledging he made "false comments" after he wrote about the disease in his medical school alumni group on messaging service WeChat. Li later contracted coronavirus and eventually died on February 7, resulting in an outpouring of fury and grief over how he was treated."
I guessing that your social score is zooming up with all your defense of the PRC! /s
No! This virus is not SARS. Because the symptoms are different. Chinese doctors spent nearly two months trying to determine what virus it is.
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
There is plenty of evidence that the initial disease was thought to be SARS, as early as November, and was determined to be an "unusual pneumonia" on December 30 and announced to WHO.
The point is, that there was warning of an "unusual pneumonia", and it was ignored until January 7th, and it wasn't until January 20 that it was announced to China and the world. That's 3 weeks of additional exposure for a virus that has an incubation period of at least 10 days. Even Xi Jinping announcing it on the 7th would have made a difference in how far and wide the virus was transmitted.
There was another report that one of the Military Academies in Wutan had a massive change in security on the 2nd. That's evidence of an additional 5 days that China waited to act.
This is not reading comprehension. It is a problem of your logic. And we all know now that WHO has said this is a new virus named COVID-19. Chinese doctors tried to understand it. Initially they think this virus will not be transmitted from human to human. So it should not cause panic to the public. This is their single biggest mistake. As the number of new cases start to pile up, the famous Chinese expert Zhong announced it can be transmitted from human to human on Jan 20. Today the experts of the world still don't fully understand how the virus is transmitted. This is why Japan ordered the Diamond Princess cruised not to dock. Although all the passengers used madk, washed hands, and stayed in the cabin, the virus still spread to 524 people. This incident could refute many of your wrong conclusions regarding China.
I'm sure you have a link for all that, because there is obvious evidence that Li Wenliang knew that it was infectious on December 30, when he told the other doctors, all of whom were arrested, I might add. The fact that doctors didn't know the exact method of transmission didn't obviate the need for precautionary announcements earlier.
No links, no necessity on my part to even consider your post accurate, and frankly, I haven't made any wrong conclusions about China's handling of this.
There is distortion in your discussion. Li Wenliang was not arrested! He is summoned by police and warned not to spread rumors. He was released and continue to serve as an eye doctor. What he said to his friends through social media is there are six cases of SARS-like diseases and cautioned them. In fact by mid-January this "unknown pneumonia" has been known to Wuhan doctors.
"Still, WHO praised the Chinese government for its “transparency,” yet Wuhan police started rounding up Li and the other doctors on New Year’s Day for “fabricating, disseminating and spreading rumors.” Each was forced to sign a pre-written, fabricated confession admitting their “wrongdoings” and promising to never do it again."
Okay, not an "arrest" per se, yet Wuhan police started "rounding up Li and other doctors", forced them to sign prewritten statements, and that certainly doesn't sound like they were "summoned". Nonetheless, the suppression continued until January 20th.
I will note, that it would have been more appropriate to have hospital administration or regional medical officials confront these doctors, rather than police, but hey, this is China we are talking about.
Yes, China is doing things differently from US. This is why a lot of misunderstanding comes about. You have to understand first how they do things. Instead of imagining in US way. But this is difficult I agree.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
Yeh, the U.S. wanted to send a team over to poke around. We don't know what kind of help they offered. It appears it was NOT to provide much needed material assistance such as protective clothing, face masks, medications etc. And, with the U.S. using the epidemic for propaganda purposes, it's understandable why China didn't want any so called "U.S. help".
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
At that time, WHO was not allowed either, according to the same link I posted.
In fact the WHO wasn't allowed into China until 5 days ago...
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
And that’s the last idiotic post of George’s I’ll be seeing. Blocked. And loving it.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words.
If if wasn't that Xi Jinping decided to both create a more oppressive China, and give himself life status as "President", we wouldn't even be having this conversation. How embarrassing for you that we can't even have this conversation without you actually living outside of China.
As for distortion, yeah, Chinese Media never does that. /s
You likely are aware that five of your state run media in the U.S. must now report as Foreign missions, given that they are nothing but an extension of United Front pushing propaganda to the West.
"The Trump administration will require five Chinese state-run media organizations to register their personnel and property with the U.S. government, granting them a designation akin to diplomatic entities.
The five organizations affected are Xinhua News Agency; China Global Television Network, previously known as CCTV; China Radio International; the parent company of China Daily newspaper; and the parent company of The People’s Daily newspaper. All five meet the definitions of "foreign missions" under the Foreign Missions Act, according to the State Department.
"These five U.S.-based entities are not independent news organizations — they are effectively controlled by the [Chinese] government," a State Department spokesperson said Tuesday."
I read a shit ton of Australian and New Zealand media, and heads up, nobody likes the foreign influence campaigns that China is pushing in those two countries either, especially giving how much "buying" of politicians has been exposed. Oh, and throw in Canada as well.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words.
Tzeshan, it is not a bad thing to love your country. But stop being an apologist. Making fine distinctions between being arrested by the police and being ordered to sign an apology/retraction on threat of who-knows-what does not help your case. A lot of Chinese citizens are upset about how this was handled by the Chinese authorities. And it was. Mainly because in an authoritarian state, the lower officials are always afraid to bring bad news to the big boss. Surely you will not defend Xi Jinping from the accusation that he neutralized all sources of viable opposition and made himself dictator-for-lie of China?
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words.
If if wasn't that Xi Jinping decided to both create a more oppressive China, and give himself life status as "President", we wouldn't even be having this conversation. How embarrassing for you that we can't even have this conversation without you actually living outside of China.
As for distortion, yeah, Chinese Media never does that. /s
You likely are aware that five of your state run media in the U.S. must now report as Foreign missions, given that they are nothing but an extension of United Front pushing propaganda to the West.
"The Trump administration will require five Chinese state-run media organizations to register their personnel and property with the U.S. government, granting them a designation akin to diplomatic entities.
The five organizations affected are Xinhua News Agency; China Global Television Network, previously known as CCTV; China Radio International; the parent company of China Daily newspaper; and the parent company of The People’s Daily newspaper. All five meet the definitions of "foreign missions" under the Foreign Missions Act, according to the State Department.
"These five U.S.-based entities are not independent news organizations — they are effectively controlled by the [Chinese] government," a State Department spokesperson said Tuesday."
I read a shit ton of Australian and New Zealand media, and heads up, nobody likes the foreign influence campaigns that China is pushing in those two countries either, especially giving how much "buying" of politicians has been exposed. Oh, and throw in Canada as well.
Tom Cotton said "That's what we need to do so they can get to the bottom of where the virus originated and hopefully can effect a diagnostic test and vaccine for it.". I will tell you where the US media has missed and most likely intentionally about the controversy . For all the news you read, do you read any one care to ask the numerous biosafety level 4 "super laboratory" scientists whether this is possible? Why there is none of this news from these biosafety level 4 in US? Can you care to give me a speculation? This is the single most important reason I tell you don't trust US media or even this senator.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
So, you lied about the U.S. not offering help.
It depends on what kind of help US is offering.
I'm of the opinion that China did not accept WHO or CDC help or "boots on the ground" as the PRC is attempting to hide the true scope of the epidemic, but of course, both organizations were offering more than expertise.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
I'm pleased to consult a variety of sources, many progressive sites, like TPM and Dailykos, but certainly more mainstream ones like the BBC, and CNN.
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
I suggest you read Reuters news and BBC. American media are too used to anti-communism rhetoric for the past seventy years. They will exaggerate, distort facts using incorrect words.
Tzeshan, it is not a bad thing to love your country. But stop being an apologist. Making fine distinctions between being arrested by the police and being ordered to sign an apology/retraction on threat of who-knows-what does not help your case. A lot of Chinese citizens are upset about how this was handled by the Chinese authorities. And it was. Mainly because in an authoritarian state, the lower officials are always afraid to bring bad news to the big boss. Surely you will not defend Xi Jinping from the accusation that he neutralized all sources of viable opposition and made himself dictator-for-lie of China?
I think you are too naive about politics. Chinese politics does not work so simple as you described. In fact, all politics are complicated. For example, President Trump pardoned many people. And this caused great controversy among the judges. So in this US case alone, you should know politics does not work so simple as many idiot Chinese want you to think in their way. Why do you simplify Chinese politics and allow US politics to become so complicated?
Tom Cotton said "That's what we need to do so they can get to the bottom of where the virus originated and hopefully can effect a diagnostic test and vaccine for it.". I will tell you where the US media has missed and most likely intentionally about the controversy . For all the news you read, do you read any one care to ask the numerous biosafety level 4 "super laboratory" scientists whether this is possible? Why there is none of this news from these biosafety level 4 in US? Can you care to give me a speculation? This is the single most important reason I tell you don't trust US media or even this senator.
Tom Cotton is an insane wingnut, nobody in America "trusts" him. At the same time, he's also not sending out the police to arrest any critics and forcing them to sign documents agreeing that his conspiracy theory ideas are the truth.
And maybe it's too soon to tell what direction the COVID-19 outbreak will take, along with the cost of global measures taken against it. Will it die out, will it smolder while spreading around the world, or will it--together with the flu--overwhelm our medical facilities, too?
And the fact that it has managed to only kill Chinese people so far is very strange.
Not strange at all. China took extreme action to contain the virus and its actions are turning out to have been extremely effective. Thanks China! The U.S. could have never pulled off what you did.
Can you even imagine the U.S. quarantining entire cities of tens of millions? Ordering factories, schools and shops to close? Telling families that only a single member was allowed out of the house and on which days? Building major new hospitals in a matter of days? And so on.
Had this virus arisen in the U.S. not only would it have rapidly become a nationwide epidemic but a world wide pandemic. And meanwhile, the U.S. has done nothing to help China contain or manage this outbreak. Shameful!
Thanks China!
Bullshit!
Here's a link to support offered by the U.S. and the WHO;
"Despite rising numbers in both coronavirus infections and fatalities, China has refused offers of assistance from two of the world’s foremost agencies on infectious disease, according to The New York Times. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts from its Epidemic Intelligence Service for more than a month to no avail. And the World Health Organization has also met resistance to travel to Wuhan, where the outbreak started. Some top diplomats told the Times that they fear that China does not want to appear to be unable to handle the growing problem alone. The CDC said it hoped that by observing the medical conditions, it could improve an American response to any threat of a widespread outbreak in the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar told a news conference on Friday that it was out of his hands. “It’s up to the Chinese,” he said. “We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”
All of that link above is true, and has been reported by many news organizations worldwide. China tried to cover up the initial stages of what would become this epidemic. I've posted as much in response to your falsehoods that you post.
If you follow the link, you can see the PRC's response to the article, and that response is filled with falsehoods and half-truths.
Authoritarians everywhere thank you for your support though!
Yes, the WHO is involved in helping -- which China has welcomed -- while right wingers in the U.S. use the epidemic to spread their hate and fear. Meanwhile, the U.S. wants to slash funding of the WHO funding. Go figure.
Did China spurn U.S. help? Probably. Can you blame them? That's like Hitler offering to help Israel.
At that time, WHO was not allowed either, according to the same link I posted.
In fact the WHO wasn't allowed into China until 5 days ago...
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Before February 14, in order to be included in the official infection pool you had to have a positive PCR test for COVID-19 RNA, and there weren't enough test kits to go around (and they were only available in urban hospitals). Afterwards, you were included if you were symptomatic with respiratory difficulty and a blood oxygen level below 93 requiring hospitalization. There are currently 150 million Chinese citizens under lockdown. Take a gander at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 map for geographic distributions.
The issue isn't just keeping the factories clean - it's keeping the workers from infecting one another in close quarters (watch a video of an average assembly line). COVID-19 spreads by droplet, droplet depositation, and possibly aerosol (and yes, probably via fecal contamination).
Most cases are pretty light like a cold or flu, but 15% or so are serious enough to require hospitalization and 5% or so involving ARDS. Of those, about 1-2.1% die. It affects most strongly the elderly and infirm, and seems to bypass (or infect asymptomatically) the very young.
I've seen R naught values from 2.5 to over 6 and it spreads like the dickens. There is the possibility that secondary infections - infections after the first infection - may be particularly deadly. In any case, snuffing out this thing, even with the draconian methods used by China appears to be very, very difficult. If it spreads in the west, can you see any western country quarantining entire cities?
I've seen statistics that if this escapes into the world at large, there is a possibility of 60% of the world's population being infected, and the strain it would put on heathcare systems would be untenable.
While the fatality rate seems low, it seems to have a death rate 50-100 times higher than the H1N1 currently burning its way through the world, and a serious (hospitalization) rate way higher than anything we've seen recently. Remember: we've got a vaccine for H1N1 and a certain level of herd immunity - no such thing with COVID-19.
As for the death rate in China: you're not a COVID-19 death unless you're officially in the COVID-19 infection pool, and what we see when we see the numbers are the cases serious enough to go to the hospital. Most COVID-19 cases are staying at home, and the crematoria in Wuhan which previously ran 4 hours a day are now running 24x7. There's so much SO2 that it's visible from space, and there's currently no industrial activity there to account for any of that.
I got out of Apple when it first started hitting the fan, and the market has buoyed it up - probably due to index fund buyers - who are going through a pavlovian streak of buying the dip.
I think all tech companies (not just Apple) are in serious doo-doo, because the atoms used to build our modern devices come overwhelmingly from China, and a good part of manufacturing takes place there due to local expertise, low labor costs, and proximity to parts suppliers - whose factories have also been incapacitated by the quarantines.
No links, no necessity on my part to even consider your post accurate, and frankly, I haven't made any wrong conclusions about China's handling of this.
"Still, WHO praised the Chinese government for its “transparency,” yet Wuhan police started rounding up Li and the other doctors on New Year’s Day for “fabricating, disseminating and spreading rumors.” Each was forced to sign a pre-written, fabricated confession admitting their “wrongdoings” and promising to never do it again."
Okay, not an "arrest" per se, yet Wuhan police started "rounding up Li and other doctors", forced them to sign prewritten statements, and that certainly doesn't sound like they were "summoned". Nonetheless, the suppression continued until January 20th.
I will note, that it would have been more appropriate to have hospital administration or regional medical officials confront these doctors, rather than police, but hey, this is China we are talking about.
That's because you get your information from right wing propaganda sites. They only tell you what they want you to think. You know, like you criticize the CCP for doing.
In fact the WHO wasn't allowed into China until 5 days ago...
https://news.sky.com/story/world-health-organisation-heads-for-china-to-investigate-coronavirus-11934450
You should really stop lying, or at least stop letting Trump live rent free in your head. LOL!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/19/1920313/-COVID-19-reaches-75-000-cases-and-2-000-death-but-there-are-hopeful-signs-around-the-world?utm_campaign=recent
Mark Sumner has been doing a daily report for weeks, and he is a data scientist so he provides sources and specifics. Nonetheless, there is still the question of how many in China have been exposed.
You, on the other hand, based on your lack of links, appear to get your news from inside your head, presumably from some alien spaghetti monster, possibly paying rent!
As for distortion, yeah, Chinese Media never does that. /s
You likely are aware that five of your state run media in the U.S. must now report as Foreign missions, given that they are nothing but an extension of United Front pushing propaganda to the West.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/us-chinese-media-foreign-missions-115882
"The Trump administration will require five Chinese state-run media organizations to register their personnel and property with the U.S. government, granting them a designation akin to diplomatic entities.
The five organizations affected are Xinhua News Agency; China Global Television Network, previously known as CCTV; China Radio International; the parent company of China Daily newspaper; and the parent company of The People’s Daily newspaper. All five meet the definitions of "foreign missions" under the Foreign Missions Act, according to the State Department.
"These five U.S.-based entities are not independent news organizations — they are effectively controlled by the [Chinese] government," a State Department spokesperson said Tuesday."
I read a shit ton of Australian and New Zealand media, and heads up, nobody likes the foreign influence campaigns that China is pushing in those two countries either, especially giving how much "buying" of politicians has been exposed. Oh, and throw in Canada as well.
I will tell you where the US media has missed and most likely intentionally about the controversy . For all the news you read, do you read any one care to ask the numerous biosafety level 4 "super laboratory" scientists whether this is possible? Why there is none of this news from these biosafety level 4 in US? Can you care to give me a speculation? This is the single most important reason I tell you don't trust US media or even this senator.
I think you are too naive about politics. Chinese politics does not work so simple as you described. In fact, all politics are complicated. For example, President Trump pardoned many people. And this caused great controversy among the judges. So in this US case alone, you should know politics does not work so simple as many idiot Chinese want you to think in their way. Why do you simplify Chinese politics and allow US politics to become so complicated?
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3029122?utm_medium=P&fbclid=IwAR3Fobbw3HWOJWIH67MgxfbOWVcsZ1_mZCF0DtyboswMwUHamC34YxjsMNA