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GeorgeBMac said:

SpamSandwich said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

Ciprol said:

hammeroftruth said:

That’s the whole rub with making things in China. It makes them affordable compared to making them here. No minimum wage, no age limits on hiring, no enforcement of preventing overworking factory workers, giving them prison like quarters to live when they aren’t working...

It's impressive how Trump has created a distortion field that's more pervasive on the American society than what Jobs did back then. If one looked outside the field, one would find that China has employment laws with minimum wage, age, working conditions amongst many others we take for granted. The world is changing rapidly and societies and countries are also evolving rapidly. Of course, keep a large population hostile and in the dark is of benefit for political aims.

#Sad

This is the same China that talked about a routine PLA rotation into Hong Kong today, but didn't actually release any PLA back to Mainland China. That's a likely predictor of mass arrests in Hong Kong for a huge portion of its population that want to maintain the freedoms that they currently have.

And no, China does not have a legal system anywhere close to what we in the U.S. or any other Western country has, so your note about "China has employment laws with minimum wage, age and working conditions" doesn't actually exist outside of what the CCP allows. and they can be very fickle, and very corrupt.

How many kids were murdered at Kent State?  I forget.   Was it more or less than the number of unarmed black kids killed by U.S. police every month?   Was it more or less than the number of migrant kids who have died this year while in U.S. custody?

We perhaps shouldn't be throwing so many stones.

“George” you post like a foreign agitator. Are you on the Russian or Chinese governments payroll?

No, somebody who loves America and hates to see Trump pull it down to his level.

GeorgeBMac said:

avon b7 said:

A lot of the rumours surrounding the 2019 iPhone refresh have included mention of cost reductions at some level. Up to now I've been hopeful that it would translate into lower starting prices as I believe one of Apple's biggest obstacles to shipping more units is directly related to price. If tariffs get in the way I don't think Apple will pass them onto the consumer.

I agree...  It's just not in their DNA to increase prices 10% on December 16th. 
I've read credible speculation elsewhere that Apple plans to absorb the cost of the tariffs rather than pass them on to their customers.

In addition, I think there is a good chance that there will not only be no new tariffs but existing ones may be rolled back as Trump is beginning to realize that:
1)  This is quickly getting out of control
2)  China isn't going to back down
3)  The U.S. is being hurt more than China (contrary to FauxNews reporting the U.S. stock market plummeted, not China's.  And U.S. treasuries are a disaster.)
4)  The likelihood of Trump's re-election is increasingly running in indirect proportion to the intensity of his trade war
5)  U.S. companies, even a Republican stalwart like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are increasingly opposed to his trade policies
6)  The entire western world is increasingly opposed to his trade policies -- even Trump's evil twin Boris slammed his trade wars.
7)  The Fed will placate the markets but they won't / can't cover Trump and his trade wars.

But, 2 intractable things stand in the way of a roll back of Trump's trade war with China:
1)  He can't let himself appear weak to his base.   And, any sign of backing down will be taken as weakness and surrender.  For Trump, that would be disaster.
2)  Trump's hardline, extremist advisers will continue to undermine any attempt to resolve the trade war without a total, abject surrender from China.

Get your popcorn here! 

I think the Iraq War serves as a good analogy to Trump's trade war with China:   Both are based on a fact-free, testosterone fueled cock fight propelled by extremist, hard-line advisers -- and neither has a clear goal, end-point or exit strategy.

Trump may be crazy, but he isn't stupid.   Our future depends on whether his emotions or his intelligence prevail -- and there seems to be an ongoing tension between the two.