clarker99

ericthehalfbee said:

How is this bad news for Apple? They have 900 million iPhone users (completely dominating the flagship market with Android a distant second).

If people upgrade every 4 years then Apple still gets 225 million iPhone sales per year. The fact they aren't hitting 225 million sales tells me the upgrade cycle is closer to 5 years (180 million per year) and not 4 years as claimed.

So Apple has to settle for selling 180-200 million iPhones per year to those upgrading their 4-5 year old iPhones. And people want to spin this as a negative? Other companies would KILL to have a problem like this.

avon b7 said:

clarker99 said:

avon b7 said:

clarker99 said:

One thing I see is that people do not realize how much value a used iPhone has in grey market. Getting $200-$250 for a 6s is really good value for a 3 1/2 yr old device. Why dont more people leverage this?  

For whatever reasons, it seems iPhone customers want to use the phone until it has zero value and then complain about the price of a new one. Trade-in/selling on Craiglist 1-2 yrs earlier (and considering time-value of money/inflation) you provide yourself better value. Especially, if your carrier or Apple provide zero cost financing. 

People complain because prices have gone up. That's reasonable. Zero cost financing still means paying that increased price so the complaint remains valid.

As a result, some people will hold onto their phones longer. Others will opt to stay on older second hand phones. Both actions impact the sales of the newer, higher priced models.

Selling your phone to leverage the purchase of a new phone actually happens but clearly not enough to move the needle by any significant amount on sales of the new models.

It is reasonable to think Apple's current pricing (the price end users actually pay) is simply hitting users' price ceilings and as a result, they aren't biting.

Couple that with no compelling reason to upgrade and intense competition and you can see and understand (at least to a large degree) why things are like they are.

I am not even sure why I am answering you but Going from a 5s/SE6/6s to a current gen iPhone is a significant jump in tech. Using your existing device to leverage a better price every 2-3 yrs is just smart.  Or run your device till it dies and pay the going price in 2020 or 2021. Your not saving anything bc a dollar today is not worth a dollar tommorrow and your old phone is worth nothing. Unless you think Apple will cut the price of iPhones down $200-$300... and good chance that is not happening.

A significant jump in tech but not compelling and if the price is too high, everything is moot.

Don't take my word for it. Look at the iPhone market and how it flattened for three years and just contracted - right on its historic blowout quarter.

You can wish people to do what you say - and some do do that - but it isn't turning things around.

It not what I think. I believe the market is speaking for itself. Now it is up to Apple to take action if it feels it is necessary to do so.

avon b7 said:

clarker99 said:

One thing I see is that people do not realize how much value a used iPhone has in grey market. Getting $200-$250 for a 6s is really good value for a 3 1/2 yr old device. Why dont more people leverage this?  

For whatever reasons, it seems iPhone customers want to use the phone until it has zero value and then complain about the price of a new one. Trade-in/selling on Craiglist 1-2 yrs earlier (and considering time-value of money/inflation) you provide yourself better value. Especially, if your carrier or Apple provide zero cost financing. 

People complain because prices have gone up. That's reasonable. Zero cost financing still means paying that increased price so the complaint remains valid.

As a result, some people will hold onto their phones longer. Others will opt to stay on older second hand phones. Both actions impact the sales of the newer, higher priced models.

Selling your phone to leverage the purchase of a new phone actually happens but clearly not enough to move the needle by any significant amount on sales of the new models.

It is reasonable to think Apple's current pricing (the price end users actually pay) is simply hitting users' price ceilings and as a result, they aren't biting.

Couple that with no compelling reason to upgrade and intense competition and you can see and understand (at least to a large degree) why things are like they are.

dedgecko said:

StrangeDays said:

goldenclaw said:

I won't have any interest in this device until Siri sees some major improvements.

What do you wish Siri to do so that you can enjoy it as a loud, clear speaker?

Personally I find voice-only music commands rather limited IRL. I much prefer to use my iPad or iPhone as a remote for the HP, browsing my library for desired music. This is not streaming *to* the HP, rather you can connect the Music GUI to the HP and manipulate & queue the music it is playing. 

To be able to answer questions accurately, and not reply with random crap that is not related to the query. To do more than function as a timer, and even that Siri fails 1/30 times.