I hope Snow Leopard is written so it just can't be ported. Or at least doing so will really really annoy someone. Some kind of vertification that disables the whole operating system and/or computer if its not a mac. That'd be fun to watch.
Psystar isn't necessarily going to lose. Remember when Microsoft was trying to claim they could require their web browser and only their web browser to be sold with Windows because it was integral? Well, Apple is trying to tie a whole computer to their OS! Why should courts side with Apple if they didn't side with Microsoft?
All Psystar wants to do is what every other PC manufacturer does, sell computers with someone else's OS, except Psystar wants Apple's OS, not Microsoft's.
To use a very old cliche this is like comparing apples to oranges. Dell, HP, and all the others have a LICENSE WITH Microsoft to sale their OS on their hardware. Psystar has no such agreement with Apple. Also Psystar LOST the anti-trust argument so that is deader than a dodo.
Remember when back in April 2008 when no body had any luck finding Psystar? Physical addresses that didn't exist, weird way they handled credit cards, Powerpay bailing out, and that piece of software that did who known what that tried to install itself on your PC.
Everything about Psystar raises a red flag faster than a 30 car pile up at Indianapolis.
Maybe they could make something like 'Windows Genuine Advantage' but then again, I don't think Apple is as capable as Microsoft of being quite that dictatorial.
Borrow the rootkit idea off Sony maybe, but then again I can't see Apple being quite so devious.
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Originally Posted by caskey09
Pretty sure Apple is going to win this.
Apple will have something up their sleeve.
I hope Snow Leopard is written so it just can't be ported. Or at least doing so will really really annoy someone. Some kind of vertification that disables the whole operating system and/or computer if its not a mac. That'd be fun to watch.
Maybe they could make something like 'Windows Genuine Advantage' but then again, I don't think Apple is as capable as Microsoft of being quite that dictatorial.
Borrow the rootkit idea off Sony maybe, but then again I can't see Apple being quite so devious.
Yeah, similar to the Windows Genuine thing but a lot faster - doesn't involve any registration crap, and is over in a few clicks. Or no clicks at all, the code disables the OS install to a Hackintosh but on the Mac it 'just works'? A nice way of looking after their customers who actually pay the money for their computers and do the right moral thing.
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them. All depends how much this hackintosh thing is really pissing them off.
It does sucks watching someone cash in on someone elses hard work and rub it in their face. And on a basic level thats what this is? In a PC world Apple have pushed hard to get OS X and the 'Mac' name up to the standard it is today. The idea that Psystar can actually legally escape being prosecuted shows how screwed the legal system is.
Seems that those hacking OS X think it's a pretty useful operating system, just wish they had some respect for the wishes of those who did the hard yards to create it.
Yeah, similar to the Windows Genuine thing but a lot faster - doesn't involve any registration crap, and is over in a few clicks. Or no clicks at all, the code disables the OS install to a Hackintosh but on the Mac it 'just works'? A nice way of looking after their customers who actually pay the money for their computers and do the right moral thing.
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them. All depends how much this hackintosh thing is really pissing them off.
It does sucks watching someone cash in on someone elses hard work and rub it in their face. And on a basic level thats what this is? In a PC world Apple have pushed hard to get OS X and the 'Mac' name up to the standard it is today. The idea that Psystar can actually legally escape being prosecuted shows how screwed the legal system is.
Seems that those hacking OS X think it's a pretty useful operating system, just wish they had some respect for the wishes of those who did the hard yards to create it.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then? At one point did apple not even let companies use their operating system to use on clones years ago? People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system, they are in it for the cash. There are equal arguments about being able to buy the operating system and put it on whatever machine you want. If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from variou software companies. Stop supporting the tyranny.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then?
Mate I could be wrong, but just maybe Mac users want to, say, upgrade? Just a guess.
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Stop supporting the tyranny.
Tyranny? I'm just saying Apple makes some good products, that help a lot of people. And its immoral for another company to hack an OS and sell it off again. Do what you like with your copy and your machine. But making a business out of it like this is going to far.
Its like a company finding a way to emulate PS3 games on Xbox. Then creating a new device that will run both and calling it PSX or something and selling it. All without permission. Imaaagine the suits that would rape that company to death.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then? At one point did apple not even let companies use their operating system to use on clones years ago? People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system, they are in it for the cash. There are equal arguments about being able to buy the operating system and put it on whatever machine you want. If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from variou software companies. Stop supporting the tyranny.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple.
They habitaully make great products that people actually want. Year after year after year. Apple redefines entire markets, sometimes virtually overnight. Credit is given where it's due. If someone else did the same, they'd get praise as well. But Apple seems to be an isolated case, or at least a unique phenomenon when compared to other players in the industry.
Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then?
Why not? If you're running Tiger and want to upgrade, Apple makes a full copy of Leopard available. Makes sense. Microsoft does the same thing. But they license out their OS, while Apple does not (and for good reasons that should be clear to you by now.)
People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system
Wonderful, absolutely. Ethical? "Ethical" doesn't even figure into the equation.
they are in it for the cash.
At this point in the game, and with their attitudes and beliefs when it comes to how the user should interact with technology, no, they are not. They're in it to make great products, which will as a matter of course generate cash. Apple's competitors seem to be in it for the "the cash" however, and not much else. Acer, HP, Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft. You know, the also-rans that are competing for the bottom-end.
If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from various software companies.
No one, that is, NO ONE in their right mind selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principle of the EULA. You'll see this confirmed in November when Psystar goes down in flames. It'll be fun to watch.
Besides, there's not a whole lot the EFF can do or say when Psystar is in fundamental violation of the DMCA.
The EFF is a lobby group that has as much credibility as its supporters accord it. It's a special interest group. It's opinions, views, and pronouncements are no better than that of any other special interest group's. The EFF doesn't like EULAs and IP law as it stands today? So what. Big deal. I'll simply align with an interest group that protects the rights of individuals who depend on the integrity of IP laws to make a living. Done. LOL.
Let the EFF lobby the courts and the government like every other special interest group, i.e., Greenpeace, PETA, National Rifle Association, Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, The Christian Coalition, American Immigration Control Foundation, National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (yes, this one actually exists in 2009) . . . everything from right wing to left wing and in-between. There's a special interest group for everything, ridiculous and ignorant or otherwise.
By using the same technology that has been present in cellphones for the last 10 years?
The only way it could be construed as devious is because the dye strips aren't as visible as those in other phones because you can't take the back of the iPhone off and open the battery bay.
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Originally Posted by caskey09
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them.
Keep in mind these are the same attorneys who defended a woman in her appeal against the RIAA after a $22,000 judgement against her. As a result of the appeal, the jury INCREASED the fine to $1.92 million! After that, I suspect the law firm is working for free because who in their right mind would hire them after their "defense" resulted in a 10 fold increase in the fine against their client?
10 fold? From 22,000 to 1,920,000 - that does not make sense.
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end. ASSR (Apple Socialist Soviet Republic) must be dealt with. Their tyranny is out of control. Now while I use their products everyday and don't plan to use anything else, they are still boneheaded in their heavy handed tactics. Remove the Fuhrer and replace the Reich and all will be well.
You should crawl back in your hole. Comparing Apple to Nazis and the Soviet disrespects and makes a mockery of the millions of people who were tortured and murdered by those governments, including many of my relatives. It's easy to spout such nonsense, but shame on you!
22 million for the Nazis and 200 million for the Communists...
Quadra head is stuck in the sand Apple is in it to only make great products. That says it all. Attempting to silence free speech by referring me to other websites smacks of the veil of secrecy of Apple. Maybe Quadra is really Jobs. By the way osx is not ten years ahead maybe you should take windows7 for a test drive. I am sure we will have some converts here when they use it
Perhaps we sould be allowed to live in any house we choose.. starting with yours, or maybe your parents, nah... but there are so many choices!
Failtastic analogy is... yeah.
Person #1 declares that one party should have the right, or "freedom" to do something... Person #2 references another right that would be silly in most cases, therefore this makes the right that #1 mentioned stupid.
Psystar might get the case dismissed because the "evidence" Psystar needs to defend itself might have been destroyed by Apple. This would leave Psystar in a very pretty position, both legally and business-wise.
What kind of evidence would Apple be destroying?
Do you realize that Apple has just accused Psystar of destroying evidence?
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Why did you need to buy Vista?
It wasn't a personal choice that you wanted to run some sort of software tied to Window's monopoly was it?
btw I prefer the term "fanboi" it's more current and looks even more retarded than using the term "fanboy".
Now that you mention "boi", it reminded me of this:
http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/E...id_Boi!_(Level)
Those were the days . . .
Is this like a game show or something?
Might be. If it is I'd like it to start so I can watch Apple kick some whiny Psystar butt.
Apple will have something up their sleeve.
I hope Snow Leopard is written so it just can't be ported. Or at least doing so will really really annoy someone. Some kind of vertification that disables the whole operating system and/or computer if its not a mac. That'd be fun to watch.
Psystar isn't necessarily going to lose. Remember when Microsoft was trying to claim they could require their web browser and only their web browser to be sold with Windows because it was integral? Well, Apple is trying to tie a whole computer to their OS! Why should courts side with Apple if they didn't side with Microsoft?
All Psystar wants to do is what every other PC manufacturer does, sell computers with someone else's OS, except Psystar wants Apple's OS, not Microsoft's.
To use a very old cliche this is like comparing apples to oranges. Dell, HP, and all the others have a LICENSE WITH Microsoft to sale their OS on their hardware. Psystar has no such agreement with Apple. Also Psystar LOST the anti-trust argument so that is deader than a dodo.
Remember when back in April 2008 when no body had any luck finding Psystar? Physical addresses that didn't exist, weird way they handled credit cards, Powerpay bailing out, and that piece of software that did who known what that tried to install itself on your PC.
Everything about Psystar raises a red flag faster than a 30 car pile up at Indianapolis.
Borrow the rootkit idea off Sony maybe, but then again I can't see Apple being quite so devious.
Pretty sure Apple is going to win this.
Apple will have something up their sleeve.
I hope Snow Leopard is written so it just can't be ported. Or at least doing so will really really annoy someone. Some kind of vertification that disables the whole operating system and/or computer if its not a mac. That'd be fun to watch.
Maybe they could make something like 'Windows Genuine Advantage' but then again, I don't think Apple is as capable as Microsoft of being quite that dictatorial.
Borrow the rootkit idea off Sony maybe, but then again I can't see Apple being quite so devious.
Yeah, similar to the Windows Genuine thing but a lot faster - doesn't involve any registration crap, and is over in a few clicks. Or no clicks at all, the code disables the OS install to a Hackintosh but on the Mac it 'just works'? A nice way of looking after their customers who actually pay the money for their computers and do the right moral thing.
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them. All depends how much this hackintosh thing is really pissing them off.
It does sucks watching someone cash in on someone elses hard work and rub it in their face. And on a basic level thats what this is? In a PC world Apple have pushed hard to get OS X and the 'Mac' name up to the standard it is today. The idea that Psystar can actually legally escape being prosecuted shows how screwed the legal system is.
Seems that those hacking OS X think it's a pretty useful operating system, just wish they had some respect for the wishes of those who did the hard yards to create it.
Yeah, similar to the Windows Genuine thing but a lot faster - doesn't involve any registration crap, and is over in a few clicks. Or no clicks at all, the code disables the OS install to a Hackintosh but on the Mac it 'just works'? A nice way of looking after their customers who actually pay the money for their computers and do the right moral thing.
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them. All depends how much this hackintosh thing is really pissing them off.
It does sucks watching someone cash in on someone elses hard work and rub it in their face. And on a basic level thats what this is? In a PC world Apple have pushed hard to get OS X and the 'Mac' name up to the standard it is today. The idea that Psystar can actually legally escape being prosecuted shows how screwed the legal system is.
Seems that those hacking OS X think it's a pretty useful operating system, just wish they had some respect for the wishes of those who did the hard yards to create it.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then? At one point did apple not even let companies use their operating system to use on clones years ago? People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system, they are in it for the cash. There are equal arguments about being able to buy the operating system and put it on whatever machine you want. If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from variou software companies. Stop supporting the tyranny.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then?
Mate I could be wrong, but just maybe Mac users want to, say, upgrade? Just a guess.
Stop supporting the tyranny.
Tyranny? I'm just saying Apple makes some good products, that help a lot of people. And its immoral for another company to hack an OS and sell it off again. Do what you like with your copy and your machine. But making a business out of it like this is going to far.
Its like a company finding a way to emulate PS3 games on Xbox. Then creating a new device that will run both and calling it PSX or something and selling it. All without permission. Imaaagine the suits that would rape that company to death.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple. Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then? At one point did apple not even let companies use their operating system to use on clones years ago? People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system, they are in it for the cash. There are equal arguments about being able to buy the operating system and put it on whatever machine you want. If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from variou software companies. Stop supporting the tyranny.
I cannot believe how brain washed people are by Apple.
They habitaully make great products that people actually want. Year after year after year. Apple redefines entire markets, sometimes virtually overnight. Credit is given where it's due. If someone else did the same, they'd get praise as well. But Apple seems to be an isolated case, or at least a unique phenomenon when compared to other players in the industry.
Why do they even sell the operating system separate of the machine then?
Why not? If you're running Tiger and want to upgrade, Apple makes a full copy of Leopard available. Makes sense. Microsoft does the same thing. But they license out their OS, while Apple does not (and for good reasons that should be clear to you by now.)
People act as if apple is doing something so ethical and wonderful with their operating system
Wonderful, absolutely. Ethical? "Ethical" doesn't even figure into the equation.
they are in it for the cash.
At this point in the game, and with their attitudes and beliefs when it comes to how the user should interact with technology, no, they are not. They're in it to make great products, which will as a matter of course generate cash. Apple's competitors seem to be in it for the "the cash" however, and not much else. Acer, HP, Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft. You know, the also-rans that are competing for the bottom-end.
If you want to stick to the licensing argument with somethibng about the eula even that falls apart when some organizations such as EFF argue that most of these eula agreements might be found invalid if someone had the money to challenge in ccourt the various licensing agreements from various software companies.
No one, that is, NO ONE in their right mind selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principle of the EULA. You'll see this confirmed in November when Psystar goes down in flames. It'll be fun to watch.
Besides, there's not a whole lot the EFF can do or say when Psystar is in fundamental violation of the DMCA.
The EFF is a lobby group that has as much credibility as its supporters accord it. It's a special interest group. It's opinions, views, and pronouncements are no better than that of any other special interest group's. The EFF doesn't like EULAs and IP law as it stands today? So what. Big deal. I'll simply align with an interest group that protects the rights of individuals who depend on the integrity of IP laws to make a living. Done. LOL.
Let the EFF lobby the courts and the government like every other special interest group, i.e., Greenpeace, PETA, National Rifle Association, Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, The Christian Coalition, American Immigration Control Foundation, National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (yes, this one actually exists in 2009) . . . everything from right wing to left wing and in-between. There's a special interest group for everything, ridiculous and ignorant or otherwise.
Stop supporting the tyranny.
Macs
OS X
iPhone
Apps
iTunes
iPod
iLife, etc.
If this is a "tyranny", I want more of it.
You'll have so much more fun here:
www.neowin.net
or here:
www.winsupersite.com
Places where your ignorance will actually be welcomed. Misery loves company.
By using the same technology that has been present in cellphones for the last 10 years?
The only way it could be construed as devious is because the dye strips aren't as visible as those in other phones because you can't take the back of the iPhone off and open the battery bay.
Apple were prreeeeetty devious in their water damage indication of the iPhones/Touches, so I wouldn't put anything past them.
Keep in mind these are the same attorneys who defended a woman in her appeal against the RIAA after a $22,000 judgement against her. As a result of the appeal, the jury INCREASED the fine to $1.92 million! After that, I suspect the law firm is working for free because who in their right mind would hire them after their "defense" resulted in a 10 fold increase in the fine against their client?
10 fold? From 22,000 to 1,920,000 - that does not make sense.
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end. ASSR (Apple Socialist Soviet Republic) must be dealt with. Their tyranny is out of control. Now while I use their products everyday and don't plan to use anything else, they are still boneheaded in their heavy handed tactics. Remove the Fuhrer and replace the Reich and all will be well.
Except their stock will tank...
who is paying for these attorneys?? Psystar is supposedly broke.
acorn?
I hope Psytar wins.
We should be able to put an operating system on whatever computer we choose.
Does freedom, but not licence ring any bells?
Perhaps we sould be allowed to live in any house we choose.. starting with yours, or maybe your parents, nah... but there are so many choices!
You should crawl back in your hole. Comparing Apple to Nazis and the Soviet disrespects and makes a mockery of the millions of people who were tortured and murdered by those governments, including many of my relatives. It's easy to spout such nonsense, but shame on you!
22 million for the Nazis and 200 million for the Communists...
Attempting to silence free speech by referring me to other websites smacks of the veil of secrecy of Apple.
Two words. Drug test.
Why aren't all software makers required to make versions for all platforms?
After all you buy it so you should be able to install it however you want.
If Psystar wins this case it will set a precedent which should free everyone from having to use things on Windows PC's.
btw the release candidates of 7 aren't really that good, they are freely available to anyone who looks for them such as all those sick of Vista.
I think I'll be too busy with Snow Leopard.
I am sure we will have some converts here when they use it
Does freedom, but not licence ring any bells?
Perhaps we sould be allowed to live in any house we choose.. starting with yours, or maybe your parents, nah... but there are so many choices!
Person #1 declares that one party should have the right, or "freedom" to do something... Person #2 references another right that would be silly in most cases, therefore this makes the right that #1 mentioned stupid.
Psystar might get the case dismissed because the "evidence" Psystar needs to defend itself might have been destroyed by Apple. This would leave Psystar in a very pretty position, both legally and business-wise.
What kind of evidence would Apple be destroying?
Do you realize that Apple has just accused Psystar of destroying evidence?
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090813212508930&query=psystar