Apple to release Safari browser for Windows

[JupiterOne]

Originally Posted by JupiterOne

I rebooted, ran Apple Software Update. There was the iTunes security update. I installed that and my problems went away. Interesting.....

Nevermind. After relaunching, everything is broken again.

Originally Posted by melgross

Holy crap (excuse me).....WHAT is going on here?

My thoughts exactly!

[mbaynham]

Originally Posted by petermac

Remount the Safari3Beta.dmg that you would have downloaded and run the uninstall.pkg. I've done it, & it works fine. My earlier posts today were done with Safari 3 beta, this is being done on safari 2
Cheers

nope, nothing. might try and find an unofficial copy if you know what i mean. i dont think there is anything else for it. i havnt got an external HDD, havnt got an external dvd driver, ipod is basically full. i think im buggered me old son...

[aaarrrgggh]

Excuse me for being slow here-- I understand Safari as iPhone SDK model, but I am still missing why anybody would use Safari over Firefox for browsing the web.

The extensions are what make browsing practical today. I might only have a handful of them for my own use, but it makes a huge difference in the browsing environment. Life without adblock, flashblock, and noscript just isn't the same.

The beta is faster than the old Safari for sure, but I have already given up on it after a few minutes...

[e1618978]

tirerack.com still crashes with Safari

[trevc]

Well, I guess the most 'secret' things are the 2 new features desktop/finder which I include Quicklook as part of the finder.

These features took that long to come out? Nice, but not really WOW. I mean, who cares that my window reflects off the dock if I drag it close enough? Something not make the cut?

Safari on Windows, not bad, but really designed to support iPhone Developers more than anything, as I still prefer the plugins/themes, etc., etc. of Firefox.

What I hate is that Apple will probably update Safari for Windows XP longer than it updates it for Panther, etc.

[Maffrew]

I've installed the beta on my iMac G5, and it's snappy as hell, but I have one question: Why is it still brushed metal, when all the screenshots everywhere are in the iTunes stylee?

Am I missing an option somewhere to change it?

[melgross]

Originally Posted by mbaynham

nope. totally gone. the uninstaller doesnt even launch, and theres no sign of safari in the finder. i spotlighted it, nothing

After thinking that 3 was working properly, I went back to 2.0.4, because it wasn't working properly.

I used the uninstaller, and everything is fine.

You did let it Restart, right?

[miquet]

safari cannot display any video content as they use Windows media Player and safari doesn't support the plug in without me purchasing Flip for Mac.
Is this still true, if so what is the point in offering it to windows users?
Many websites are non safari compatible which pi---es me off too.

[melgross]

Arrgghh!

I'm disappointed about the whole thing.

And as far as Safari goes, I hope they fixed all of the annoying problems of the current version. I'll try out the new one later, but what bothers me is:

Having to click on a bookmark folder to get it to open, and it having to take time to do so the first time.

Having to click on it again to get it to close when moving the pointer to another folder on the bar, and then having to click on the new one, and so on.

Firefox doesn't require this. It's very annoying.

Having the Bookmarks menu take time to open the first time, sometimes the beachball even comes on!

Having pages render improperly, esp. when using increased type sizes, but even when not doing that.

Having columns on some sites open improperly, that is, not having the proper width, so that horiz scrolling is required. Again, Firefox doesn't have this problem.

Having sites that start with irc, for example refuse to open, because Safari doesn't recognize sites that start with that, and other, initials.

Not being able to customize the pop-up blocker (and it wish it would stop the new pop-ups!!!)

There are other problems as well, but those bother me the most.

When I have some time later, I'll see if any have been fixed in 3.0. If not, it won't be good for Apple on Windows.

[AppleInsider]

Apple Inc. at its developer conference on Monday announced a plan to release a version of its Safari Web browser for rival Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating systems.

Referencing industry standard iBench tests that show the Apple browser rendering web pages up to twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7 and up to 1.6 times faster than Firefox 2, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs billed Safari 3.0 as the "fastest browser running on Windows."

Safari 3 features easy-to-manage bookmarks, effortless browsing with easy-to-organize tabs and a built-in RSS reader to quickly scan the latest news and information.

Beginning today, Apple is making a Safari 3 public beta is available as a free download for Macs and PCs over at its Safari website.

"We think Windows users are going to be really impressed when they see how fast and intuitive web browsing can be with Safari," said Jobs. "Hundreds of millions of Windows users already use iTunes, and we look forward to turning them on to Safari's superior browsing experience too."

The speed of Safari combined with its intuitive user interface lets users spend more time surfing the web and less time waiting for pages to load, Apple said. Other Safari features now available to Windows users include SnapBack, one-click access to an initial search query; resizable text fields; and private browsing to ensure that information about an individual's browsing history isn't stored.

Safari 3 supports all modern Internet standards so users can view websites as they were meant to be seen, including HTML, CSS, JavaScript, SVG and Java. Safari software updates are delivered seamlessly through Apple's Software Update application, which automatically checks for updates.



Pricing & Availability

The free public beta of Safari 3 is available immediately as a download at Apple's Safari website, and is preview software licensed for use on a trial basis for a limited time. The final version of Safari 3 will be available as a feature in the upcoming Mac OS X version 10.5 Leopard, and will be available as a free download to Mac OS X Tiger and Windows users in October.

System Requirements

Safari 3 for Mac OS X requires Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.9 or later, a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Intel-based Mac or a Mac with a PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor and built-in FireWire. Safari 3 for Windows requires Windows XP or Windows Vista, a minimum of 256 MB of memory and a system with at least a 500 MHz Intel Pentium processor.

[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]

[ascii]

I don't really understand the point of this.

[aaarrrgggh]

I can't imagine the driver for this. If someone is going to go to the trouble of installing a browser, it has to be for something significant in their browsing experience... like adblock. This will be an interesting one...

[backtomac]

Yep. I'm lost on this as well. Someone please explain the significance.

[hmurchison]

iPhone people.

Delivering iPhone apps means you have to be able to test in a suitable browser. That browser is Safari.

[Dave K.]

Where's the public beta for the Mac version?

It makes sense for porting Safari to Windows. Too many websites are still incompatible (along with corporate intranets) with Safari.

[atari]

Originally Posted by backtomac

Yep. I'm lost on this as well. Someone please explain the significance.

With pleasure
-) Web Apps; the larger Safari´s market share the less likely it gets Safari will be excluded.
-) Possibly (future) tie ins with ITunes and Quicktime
-) It sure can´t hurt Apple

[mrpiddly]

Im happy.

[heaven or las vegas]

They ported iTunes to Windows ti support iPod. Ditto Safari for iPhone. I think that rocks. Now I can use Safari at work on my PC.

[fraklinc]

what the heck happen there? they said the same thing as last year, what a waste of time feel sorry for everyone that whent there though, lol

[coolfactor]

apple.com is redesigned. Wow.

[mrpiddly]

Originally Posted by Shintocam

That's nice and all, but I don't even use Safari on my Mac....

That being said, Safari will likely be better than IE - although I still have to use IE for a lot of things that use ActiveX (like some of our client server software).

Can't believe this was the "one more thing"......

The one more thing in my mind was the iPhone web 2.0 tools.

[SpinDrift]

I have Safari on my PC now and I can see why Apple have done this.

Smart move I think.

[mbaynham]

Originally Posted by Dave K.

Where's the public beta for the Mac version?

It makes sense for porting Safari to Windows. Too many websites are still incompatible (along with corporate intranets) with Safari.

its there. just have a look lol

[Shintocam]

Originally Posted by Idle

Apparently my computer "does not meet the requirements" for the beta

According to the system requirements, a G4 iBook running 10.4.9 should work. Strange.

I have a G4 PB running 10.4.9 and got it to run. Took forever to install. Took almost as long to launch the first time. It's slow, does not use Safari Extender (not that I expected it too) and over-writes the old version of Safari (uh not a good idea with Beta software and I was pretty miffed at this - not as miffed as our friend a few posts up - but miffed non the less).

I say just download Camino and don't worry about Safari 3.0.....

[Shintocam]

That's nice and all, but I don't even use Safari on my Mac....

That being said, Safari will likely be better than IE - although I still have to use IE for a lot of things that use ActiveX (like some of our client server software).

Can't believe this was the "one more thing"......

[Clive At Five]

What a waste of a "One more thing!" It's exciting news, yes, but this is going to ruin my taste for "one more things" in the future. Next MWSF...

Steve: "One more thing..."
Crowd: "oh shit, hit the deck, not another Core Audio update! Here goes AAPL through the roof, buy buy buy!"



-Clive

[Abster2core]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

iPhone people.

Delivering iPhone apps means you have to be able to test in a suitable browser. That browser is Safari.

Unbelievable that some just don't get the significance of this. You are right on. The buzz here is euphoric. Lots of opportunities. Steve has come through again.

One anecdotal comment, "Let the naysayes vet their shit. More for us."

Safari 3 being downloads. Guys trying or want to create widgets on the spot. Love the idea of Safari for Windows. Expect a lot more Apple apps could crack the PC market or better yet, destroy it.

[>_>]

Originally Posted by mbaynham

MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!

just downloaded the safari demo... didnt tell me that it would delete the current version i have would be removed from my computer!!!!!!! FOR FUKES SAKE APPLE!!!!!!! I WANT MY SAFARI BACK!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!

Use the included uninstaller. It restores your "current version".

- Xidius

[TBaggins]

Well, I was only a little off. I said that WWDC would be 90% Leopard and 10% 3rd party apps for iPhone, and it ended up being 80% Leopard, 10% 3rd party apps for iPhone, and 10% Safari for Windows.

I think Safari for Windoze is cool, too. Anything that helps loosen IE's stranglehold on the web, even a little, is great. Knock their marketshare down and get the lazier web designers to stop designing sites with only IE in mind.

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[anantksundaram]

Originally Posted by TBaggins

There are cash flow consequences, though. You just have to look a lil' harder.

With the new Leopard Finder working very similarly to iTunes ( http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/...es/finder.html ), potential Windows switchers will already know how to use a Mac, and will be more likely to switch. And if they're already using Safari on Windows, they'll obviously be able to jump over to OS X Safari without missing a beat.

It's all about increasing potential switchers' comfort level with the Mac. Which is super-important, because about half of all Mac sales nowadays are to switchers. Increasing switcher sales further would seem to be very 'bottom line', eh?

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I think you're telling me that some users are in a place where (other than for some useful functionality, e.g., built-in spell-check) their comfort with an operating system (and hence, decision to switch) is enhanced by one point-and-click software (Safari) compared to another (IE).

Please pardon me, but that's a stretch.

Most people at that level of computer literacy already have a Mac if they could afford it. And, if they couldn't, they still probably can't, so switching is unlikely. Others who are/were potential switchers have already experienced the Mac look-and-feel from iTunes and iPods and have had their appetite for a Mac whetted by that experience. They wouldn't need Safari.

Bottom line: I don't think the use of Safari is going to amount to much from a switching standpoint.

[anantksundaram]

The availability of Safari on the PC is, at best, of second-order importance to me as a Mac user and Apple shareholder (yeah, yeah, I understand the iPhone connection and the fact more sites may become Safari-firendly etc; but it's all still second-order).

Zero cash flow consequences. (Now, if he had announced something like "iLife for Windows for $89" that would have been a blockbuster from the stock price standpoint.....)

I hope the developers got something out of this. As a lay person, I was quite bored and disappointed by the WWDC. Wasted appearance by Steve.

[backtomac]

I'm pretty unexcited by Safari for Windows. While it may make sense strategically fro Apple, how is that a 'one more thing' for Mac aficionados? As well I don't think it will do all that well. IE 7 isn't to bad and FF is quite good. What's the big reason to switch?

[JupiterOne]

Originally Posted by koskar

windows version crashes on any and all bookmark operations....
anyone or just me?

Upon startup, a dialog appears asking me for a Name/Password. I assume it is for my company's proxy. Anyway, putting in my company ID/PW, causes a crash. Useless for me at work.

Also, part of the dialog is the checkmark to "Remember this password in my keychain" Um, keychain on Windows too?

[CoolHandPete]

Originally Posted by minderbinder

Actually it wasn't there when he posted it, it took a while for them to update the safari pages on apple.com



Yeah, I have the same problem and I've seen many postings already saying this. The windows install worked fine, but it looks like the OSX version has a problem. They better fix it fast, that's a major embarrassment for the company.

This is what I was looking for - Safari 3.0 didn't install on my brand-new (July 2002) Powerbook G4... I wondered when I would be left in the dust.

5 years ain't bad, really. For a Windows user, all I would be able to use at this point would be AOL (maybe)... and probably the "You've Got Mail" sound wouldn't even play, but rather "You are obsolete!"

But it may be a little embarrassing for the company nonetheless.

[anantksundaram]

Wow! Time travel on AI! My reply to TBaggins (whose post was at 3.08 PM), appeared at 2.47 PM!

[addabox]

I dunno, maybe my old Safari had gotten really bogged down, somehow, but.....damn.

[TBaggins]

PS- Thought it was really subversive and cool how the new Leopard Finder was based off of iTunes.

That means the 300 million or so Windows users who've dloaded iTunes for Windows are already most of the way towards knowing how use the Leopard Finder, and will be more comfortable in switching to the Mac.

Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky.

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[anantksundaram]

Here's the verdict on the cash flow consequences: a $5 drop in share price. Doesn't get more direct than that!

[Idle]

Apparently my computer "does not meet the requirements" for the beta

According to the system requirements, a G4 iBook running 10.4.9 should work. Strange.

[Bizmac]

Originally Posted by backtomac

I'm pretty unexcited by Safari for Windows. While it may make sense strategically fro Apple, how is that a 'one more thing' for Mac aficionados? As well I don't think it will do all that well. IE 7 isn't to bad and FF is quite good. What's the big reason to switch?

Very fast...using it and it is as fast as opera.
Now why using it except speed for I do not know...for macfans on windows...