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Apple.com leaks confirmation of iLife '11, new MacBook Airs, more

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Updates to Apple's official online forums reveal at least some of the products due to be unveiled at today's "Back to the Mac" event, including iLife '11 and a new MacBook Air.

New sections on the Apple Discussions page added Wednesday include iMovie '11, iPhoto '11, and GarageBand '11, all part of the iLife software suite. There is also a forum titled "MBA (Need official name)" which will likely be the discussion home for the newly redesigned MacBook Air.

Finally, there is also a mystery space on Apple.com's forums that does not reveal what product it represents. It simply carries the title "Reserved 10 20."

In addition, Engadget early Wednesday pointed to and confirmed a report from AppleInsider regarding a new, smaller MacBook Air with an 11.6-inch display. Last week, AppleInsider first reported that Apple would unveil the smaller notebook at its event Wednesday.

Engadget confirmed many of the details reported by AppleInsider, but also offered new alleged details on the imminent notebook update and its hardware specifications. They include:

A smaller 11.6-inch display.
2.13GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (with a 2.33GHz option possible).
2GB of memory in the base configuration.
No optical drive.
Mini DisplayPort, USB, and SD card reader on the left side; USB and power on the right.
The trackpad has been updated to match that of the new MacBook Pros.
Although smaller due to the 11.6-inch display, it's still about the same thickness as the current MacBook Air.
A black power key now sits immediately to the right of a smaller eject key on the MBA's keyboard -- the round aluminum power button is gone. A design decision that might support the MBA's rumored instant-on capabilities though our source didn't see this functionality exhibited (possibly because it was running OS X 10.6.4).


AppleInsider will have full live coverage of today's "Back to the Mac" event, scheduled to begin at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern.
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I am kind of Apple-d out at this point on the gadget front. \
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Whatever the Eject key on a Macbook Air actually does, it surely does not deserve its own hard key. Given that keyboard real estate is so precious why not drop it?

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Whatever the Eject key on a Macbook Air actually does, it surely does not deserve its own hard key. Given that keyboard real estate is so precious why not drop it?

I agree. Apple has never been in the business of adding things are superfluous. Plus, the iPad is an "instant on device" and it only has one (ok two) buttons, and it lacks the one thing that a notebook could obviously use as a power button - the lid!
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You would think that the forum software would check the visibility of a forum when someone types in the uid directly, and treat hidden forums like non-existent forums.
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Buddy, this is no gadget. Look at everything Apple has built up in power efficiency over the last three years. The iPad can sit in lock mode for a month and have a charge. This new little Air is going to be a full little computer that is just on and ready to use. Maybe even a touch screen. It's not far off the size of iPad. 10.7 is going to usher in something fantastic, a plethora of advances as Mac OS and iOS help eachother grow.

I'm personally excited.
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1) I don’t get how this can have instant on with Mac OS X. Even with that SSD it should take 12-18 seconds to boot up.

2) Why does it need Instant On when people seem to simply close the lid put it to sleep. Apple’s made their HW and OS very power efficient in this mode, at least compared to Windows and other vendors PCs.

3) I hope the OS Restore Disc finally comes on an SD card.

4) I see no word of a mic in/out port or a new iLife ’11 app. Interesting.
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1) I dont get how this can have instant on with Mac OS X. Even with that SSD it should take 12-18 seconds to boot up.

2) Why does it need Instant On when people seem to simply close the lid put it to sleep. Apples made their HW and OS very power efficient in this mode, at least compared to Windows and other vendors PCs.

3) I hope the OS Restore Disc finally comes on an SD card.

4) I see no word of a mic in/out port or a new iLife 11 app. Interesting.

1. Then it isn't using an SSD. Remember it's not supposed to have a hard drive at all? The I/O is the bottleneck, so what if Apple just put a 16GB NAND chip on the logic board for the OS? By the way, this needs to happen across the board for their computers. OS on the on-board NAND and everything else on the HDD.

2. Maybe instant wake? Does take a while to wake up now.

3. This needs to happen for all software. And the death of the built-in ODD, but one step at a time.

4. New app just hasn't had a forum made for it yet (*gasp* Tallest Skil being an optimist?!). And the built-in mic will be "good enough for casual talkers".

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I am kind of Apple-d out at this point on the gadget front. \

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Originally Posted by PXT View Post

Whatever the Eject key on a Macbook Air actually does, it surely does not deserve its own hard key. Given that keyboard real estate is so precious why not drop it?

Control-Shift-Eject turns off the screen. Handy for battery conservation.
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1) I don’t get how this can have instant on with Mac OS X. Even with that SSD it should take 12-18 seconds to boot up.

Only way I can see is a snap shot is held in a special place that somehow eases into the actual state as the SSD or what ever loads.
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A black power key now sits immediately to the right of a smaller eject key on the MBA's keyboard -- the round aluminum power button is gone. A design decision that might support the MBA's rumored instant-on capabilities



Where a button sits still says not much about instant-on capabilities.

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again, w00t.
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Originally Posted by PXT View Post

Whatever the Eject key on a Macbook Air actually does, it surely does not deserve its own hard key. Given that keyboard real estate is so precious why not drop it?

You're right. I never though of this! No optical drive, so why an eject key?

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Why does it need Instant On when people seem to simply close the lid put it to sleep. Apples made their HW and OS very power efficient in this mode, at least compared to Windows and other vendors PCs.

My thoughts exactly. I'd hate to pay extra for such a superfluous feature...
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1. Then it isn't using an SSD. Remember it's not supposed to have a hard drive at all? The I/O is the bottleneck, so what if Apple just put a 16GB NAND chip on the logic board for the OS? By the way, this needs to happen across the board for their computers. OS on the on-board NAND and everything else on the HDD.

2. Maybe instant wake? Does take a while to wake up now.

3. This needs to happen for all software. And the death of the built-in ODD, but one step at a time.

4. New app just hasn't had a forum made for it yet (*gasp* Tallest Skil being an optimist?!). And the built-in mic will be "good enough for casual talkers".

1) Yeah, I did mean NAND, not SSD specifically. I wonder if that is good enough for Instant On. Take the iPhone, Touch and iPad. They all use a much smaller and lighter OS and use on-board NAND and take 2x as long as my MBP to boot up. I dont think the C2D over ARM will speed that process up enough to call it Instant On, but perhaps Im just being pedantic about the terminology.

2) From sleep it happens so fast that I would call it instant, but for hibernation I do have to wait about 5 seconds for everything to be copied to RAM from the SSD.

3) Im with you on removing the ODD. That is what I did with my MBP, replaced with OptiBay setup. Id have thought that Apple finally added an SD card to all their machines so late in the game for this very reason, waiting for the ideal time to make the change over, but I also would have thought the MBA would have had some different option in that area at the start, even if it was on a USB flash drive.

4) Correction: I meant 3.5mm headphone/mic port. I wrote mic in/out instead.
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You're right. I never though of this! No optical drive, so why an eject key?

Doesn't the MBA have the ability to mount external drives over wifi and thus would have them mounted thus require or at least justify a dismount / eject key? I could be totally wrong never having played with one.
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You can't stick an i3 in there instead?
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I am more interested in iLife 11 than the MBA to be honest. No mention of mystery app or iWeb so far ... I hope this isn't all about iPad versions. I love iPad but hope this is all about Lion and new OS X apps today. The title back to the Mac would encourage me to think so
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Doesn't the MBA have the ability to mount external drives over wifi and thus would have them mounted thus require or at least justify a dismount / eject key? I could be totally wrong never having played with one.

I think it's more targeted at the SuperDrive accessory myself.
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While the new MacBook air and os x 10.7 are possibilities people seems to be discounting steve's magical new app for iLife. This could also fill the shoes of that forum space
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You can't stick an i3 in there instead?

Core 2 and a real GPU is better than i3 and Intel's crap. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

1. Then it isn't using an SSD. Remember it's not supposed to have a hard drive at all? The I/O is the bottleneck, so what if Apple just put a 16GB NAND chip on the logic board for the OS?

Won't make much difference. An iPad still takes 10 seconds to boot up when doing a restart, and can do instant-on from the moment the iOS is loaded up. A MacBook takes a while longer to boot up, but also has instant-on and stays that way until restart, so that point is moot. Unless I don't get what you are talking about.
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I am more interested in iLife 11 than the MBA to be honest. No mention of mystery app or iWeb so far ... I hope this isn't all about iPad versions. I love iPad but hope this is all about Lion and new OS X apps today. The title back to the Mac would encourage me to think so

I'll most likely be buying iLife `11. I skipped '09 but would like to get the facial recognition in iPhoto. Hopefully they've uncrippled iMovie, iMovie HD still works but its UI feels out of date.

Will we see an iWork update as well?

I'm really hoping there's some good user & UI stuff shown off for 10.7. As others have said, 10.6 was about under the hood; now lets see a new paint job!

- Jasen.

P.S. 3 1/2 hours to go!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Core 2 and a real GPU is better than i3 and Intel's crap. Get over it.

It's a MacBook Air, not a Pro. It's not designed to scorch benchmarks. Silly idea to stick outdated chips into your sleek, advanced laptops.
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Doesn't the MBA have the ability to mount external drives over wifi and thus would have them mounted thus require or at least justify a dismount / eject key? I could be totally wrong never having played with one.

Yes, off course if does. And you also mount your iDisk and dmg files and consequently colud eject them with the eject key. But I have never seen anyone doing that to be honest. I only use the eject key to get a CD/DVD out of the drive. Don't ask me why...

My point is: you don't need that button at all. There are at least 3 different alternative ways to eject a drive, so why waste precious space on a small device for a fourth alternative?


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It's a MacBook Air, not a Pro. It's not designed to scorch benchmarks. Silly idea to stick outdated chips into your sleek, advanced laptops.

Well, I don't really see people doing CPU-intense work on a MBA, do you? But I see them wanting to watch a youtube video without their MBA sounding like a jet engine... C2D + 320m is definitely the better option compared to Core iX + Intel graphics for my uses and I think for most people that are in the market for MBA.
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You can't stick an i3 in there instead?

The numbering of the Core-iX chips doesnt denote clockspeed or TDP. There is only ONE with the TDP that would even be viable and I dont think that is even on the market yet. Its the Core-i5 and Core-7s that you probably mean, of which there are 4 and 5 chips, respectively, that fit into the necessary TDP.

But that is beside the point because to go with a Core-iX chip in that machine would also mean relying on Intel HD for the IGP. The better tradeoff is C2D with Nvidia 320M.
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Control-Shift-Eject turns off the screen. Handy for battery conservation.

Been a Mac user since 8.6 on a Lombard. Didn't know this shortcut, and I love my keyboard shortcuts!

Thanks!
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My point is: you don't need that button at all. There are at least 3 different alternative ways to eject a drive, so why waste precious space on a small device for a fourth alternative?

When it comes to a physically mounted drive I can see the need for an eject button. Since Apple uses slot loading drives, not a tray loading drive with a nifty physical button on the door, they needed to have something in place in case you couldnt get the OS loaded to eject discs.

If they are removing the SuperDrives from the market (maybe just allowing 3rd-parties pick up the slack) then perhaps they will replace the button. Apple was the first to replace the unused PF keys with functional buttons and completely get rid of the pointless, fn-access number pad. Some might even say Apple is too quick to alter their keyboard setup.
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It's a MacBook Air, not a Pro. It's not designed to scorch benchmarks. Silly idea to stick outdated chips into your sleek, advanced laptops.

You say it's not designed to scorch benchmarks but then you complain about it not having the latest chip.

I love these people. They make my argument for me.

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You say it's not designed to scorch benchmarks but then you complain about it not having the latest chip.

That does seem contradictory.
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When it comes to a physically mounted drive I can see the need for an eject button. Since Apple uses slot loading drives, not a tray loading drive with a nifty physical button on the door, they needed to have something in place in case you couldnt get the OS loaded to eject discs.

Does the eject button actually work before the OS is loaded? It's purely software, isn't it?
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Does the eject button actually work before the OS is loaded? It's purely software, isn't it?

It’s HW and SW, and does work before OS X is loaded. Think of the other keyboard commands that work before the OS is loaded. I think this is all part of EFI to control base drivers for the keyboard, trackpad, ODD, media detraction of other sources in boot sequence, etc., but that is beyond my ken so I’ll stop there.
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It's a MacBook Air, not a Pro. It's not designed to scorch benchmarks. Silly idea to stick outdated chips into your sleek, advanced laptops.

maybe apple will surprise us all. but i am starting to suspect it may be a bit like the recent 'apple tv' release. exciting that it is being updated, but not so exciting after actually seeing the updates...
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Honestly, I think iPhoto is a pretty awesome app, but I don't use the rest. IMHO iLife upgrade can't possibly be as exciting as hardware/OS innovation.
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I know its not completely on topic, but somehow I could not find any hint, whether the Back to Mac event will be live streamed. Does any body have some knowledge about this?
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That does seem contradictory.

Not really.
The i3 has a comparable clock speed and is more efficient. Plus, for people that want some power to go with that battery life, it opens up the option of DDR3 memory.

It also has onboard graphics and a better memory controller...
i3 is a great option for the MBA.
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maybe apple will surprise us all. but i am starting to suspect it may be a bit like the recent 'apple tv' release. exciting that it is being updated, but not so exciting after actually seeing the updates...

Its a tiny little box with the same UI as before. There isnt much to get excited about. Now a 11.6 MBA with some new innovations in how they boot the system, how they increase the anemic battery life (when compared to other Mac notebooks) might be interesting. Though personally, Im more interested in the tear down.

PS: If they allow for cellular connectivity Ill likely be first in line for this machine.


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Honestly, I think iPhoto is a pretty awesome app, but I don't use the rest. IMHO iLife upgrade can't possibly be as exciting as hardware/OS innovation.

I think iPhoto is nice but I only use it for a repository. I never go in to look at photos and subsequently have never cleaned them up.

ts a daunted task that I simply dont want to allocate time to do. What Id love is an app that would periodically pull out a few pics (based on my settings) that pop up and ask me to rename, categorize, and add to Faces and Places. Something that I could take 30 seconds or a minute once or twice a day while in front of my machine and not think twice about it. I think Id end up having them organized within a year while also getting a trip down memory lane. Can you work on that for me.
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Not really.
The i3 has a comparable clock speed and is more efficient. Plus, for people that want some power to go with that battery life, it opens up the option of DDR3 memory.

It also has onboard graphics and a better memory controller...
i3 is a great option for the MBA.

Seriously people, enough with the comments about Core-i3 being great for the MBA. You people are having a laugh or you have no idea what that you are talking about.

If you disagree find me the Core-i3 chips that you think would be ideal for the MBA.
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I know its not completely on topic, but somehow I could not find any hint, whether the Back to Mac event will be live streamed. Does any body have some knowledge about this?

It doesnt look like it, which I find odd after what a success the last streaming event was.
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You need a drink. Have a nice glass of cider.

hahaha, good one.

I can't wait for the keynote, can anyone?
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