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Frankly, I don't know anyone that likes the 4" screen, including my 63 year old mother. Remember, the 3.5" - 4" screen was a Steve Jobs thing. You have to be able to use the phone with one hand, and even then it was aggravating touching the wrong thing with my thumb half the time.

What an incredibly idiotic post. At so many different levels..... yikes. :rolleyes: 

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Based on apple's lawsuit notes where they knew large screens were chewing up market share I'd say their line about "using with one hand" was just PR damage control. Cook failed to produce a large screen phone when he should have in 2012 or at least '13. By making one now they concede it was the right thing to do but simply did not execute in time. They paid the price and lost many to Samsung as a result and their stock took a big hit and is now epoxied in the low 500's.

 

Thanks for the verbal diarrhea, not a word of which is accurate. Believing 4" is the ideal size, while also acknowledging internally that larger phones are selling, is not a contradiction in any way whatsoever. 

 

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Not sure I want a bigger iPhone or not. How about a larger Macbook Pro, Like bringing back the 17" model. Last year I was forced to be a used 17" 2011 Macbook Pro, but would have preferred to have bought a new one.

 

Never going to happen, nor should it. The market for that product is insanely small. 17" is barely considered "mobile". The retina MBP makes this redundant. Stop holding your breath. 

 

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my 5s just died last night from the 'blue screen of death'. wish they will lunch this new one now

 

You know it's under warranty, right? Or are you just planning on throwing it out and waiting for the "lunch" of a new model? Also, that's likely a software issue. 

 

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There are ways around size and one handed operation.

http://youtu.be/YGB2yDEjwnk

 

There needs to be a bigger phone, and a normal phone. The market has long shifted to bigger screens, and the iPhone needs to keep up. It's just reality.

 

The market has "shifted" because other companies ONLY offer their flagship devices in bigger sizes. Consumers have never had a choice. The smaller models are shitty, crippled low-end versions. So it goes both ways- consumers don't have the option of a large device with Apple, but they only don't get the option of a high-end smaller device with anyone else. All that you will see pushed, advertised, and recommended form Samsung, etc.  are the monster phones. Stop pretending it has anything to do with consumers demanding a bigger size. 

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I don't get why someone would want a the iPhone to be larger. It defies the point of mobile devices, mobility. You want to carry around a phone, that you can easily slip in and out of a pocket. Why would want your phone to be the size of a small scale tablet? Just get a tablet if you absolutely need something bigger.
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That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?

The 4" is their bread and butter iphone now.  Why do some think overnight they will be no more?  They are testing out the other sizes due to perceived demand.  Does not mean they will can the 4" unless sales of those went to zero overnight.

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my 5s just died last night from the 'blue screen of death'. wish they will lunch this new one now

Smells like BS. I've never seen bsod on an iPhone. Restore from backup.
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Why can't the UI be controlled at the lower quarter of the screen? i.e all layout button controls and address bar in safari etc. I wouldn't need to move the phone up and down my palm if that were the case so that my thumb could reach.
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Samsung and/or Google should have patented phones with screens larger than 4".

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I remember the days when a 3.5 inch screen was the perfect size and anything larger was doomed to fail. It was the perfect size to fit in anyones pocket, if you wanted something bigger then buy an iPad and shut up. If Apple always does everything right and everyone else always does everything wrong then why is Apple following others when it comes to screen size? What changed?

 

Did our pocket's become larger? I hope if Apple decides to build a 6" iPhone they buy a company that sells man purses. Put the phone in an otterbox or life proof case you could use is as a floatation device. Sorry have to call bullshit on Apple building a phone larger than the Samsung Galaxy Note 3. 

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OK so we have this survey, the big dump from Kuo, Deutsche Bank initiating coverage on AAPL today with a buy rating and the stock is down this morning. Can someone explain that?

 

APPL goes down on all news. On good news, it goes down a little, on neutral news it goes down a lot, and don't even ask what happens when there is bad news. 

 

AAPL is trading with bad sentiment right now. One day the tide will turn, but until now, all news is "bad" news. 

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I don't get why someone would want a the iPhone to be larger. It defies the point of mobile devices, mobility. You want to carry around a phone, that you can easily slip in and out of a pocket. Why would want your phone to be the size of a small scale tablet? Just get a tablet if you absolutely need something bigger.

Because people who want phablets disagree with you, noisily. And they speak for everyone.

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Smells like BS. I've never seen bsod on an iPhone. Restore from backup.

It is BS. A 5s would still be under Apple's standard one year warranty. He could get it replaced free of charge. But of course, concern trolls don't know that. Particularly if they are just making it up.

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Samsung and/or Google should have patented phones with screens larger than 4".

Troll off.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

That's all good and well, but where are the rumours that they will continue to make a 4" iPhone?
The 4" is their bread and butter iphone now.  Why do some think overnight they will be no more?  They are testing out the other sizes due to perceived demand.  Does not mean they will can the 4" unless sales of those went to zero overnight.

I get that, and I agree. Still, with Apple, they have their way of killing things because the next big thing is here.
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Samsung and/or Google should have patented phones with screens larger than 4".

I would like to see them try.
Ironically, the Google- and Samsung-apologists on these forums would defend such a stupid patent, while trashing the ones these companies are stealing from Apple.

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Originally Posted by JosephFriedrich View Post

I don't get why someone would want a the iPhone to be larger. It defies the point of mobile devices, mobility. You want to carry around a phone, that you can easily slip in and out of a pocket. Why would want your phone to be the size of a small scale tablet? Just get a tablet if you absolutely need something bigger.

The iPhone 5 is larger than the 4, which is 'perfect'? The truth is there is no perfect and even if there was it is a moving target. What's perfect today is not perfect tomorrow. For me, the 5 is perfect but there are many that feel the previous generation was the perfect size (someone here, can't remember who, said he thought the iPhone 5 was good, he didn't 'love it'. He did 'love' his 4, however). For people  who only need a single device, and who may not use it much as a phone, a 5" device might be ideal. Apparently the larger screens are popular in the Asian markets (anecdotal on these forums). If so a 5" iDevice could be a big seller.  

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The closer we get to the release date the less likely it appears that Apple will continue with a 4" display. Yes, they will likely keep the "C" version of the iPhone as a 4" model but it will use last years parts and be sold as the cheaper low-end option. I just don't see Apple continuing to produce a high-end current model iPhone at 4" since the demand will likely die down once a larger version is released. The larger iPhone(s) will be associated with the newest specs and the 4" model will be relegated as the iPhone 6c.

 

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The closer we get to the release date the less likely it appears that Apple will continue with a 4" display. Yes, they will likely keep the "C" version of the iPhone as a 4" model but it will use last years parts and be sold as the cheaper low-end option. I just don't see Apple continuing to produce a high-end current model iPhone at 4" since the demand will likely die down once a larger version is released. The larger iPhone(s) will be associated with the newest specs and the 4" model will be relegated as the iPhone 6c.

 

Funny how it actually works... the 4S is still one of the top selling phones in Finland, Switzerland and India. Don't tell them that demand dies down for older top end phones... once they are discounted. Hell, in Canada the 5 was selling better than the 5C.

 

Having a top end phone in the mid tier area would, I believe, bolster over all sales.


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post #58 of 123
Have 2 get rid of those bezels. 10-20% reduction is meaningless and is still not going to give the look everyone wants b
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Based on these percentages does anyone know how to extrapolate them into number of units to be sold?
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Smells like BS. I've never seen bsod on an iPhone. Restore from backup.

I second that motion... furthermore blue screen of death applies only to Windows XP computers... ( and somewhat to Windows 7 computers)

apple's terms are "issues" or kernel panic... not to mention that people don't refer to Mac computers crashing as a "blue screen of death"...LOL, more like a sad face inside a hard drive , like the original iPod HDD crash notice.
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Smells like BS. I've never seen bsod on an iPhone. Restore from backup.

It's not a BSoD like you'd see in Windows, but with iOS 7 there was (or is) a rare, but repeatable, bug which momentarily put up a blank, blue screen before restarting.

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I do like the capability of the 5 in that you can balance it on edge. It is occasionally useful for hands free video. The new mockup appears to show rounded edges. That thing looks way too thin as well. I'm ok with the thickness of the current design. At some point thinness might start to affect the quality of the audio or the cameras. I don't think even Apple would sacrifice those features simply to win the thinness contest.

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post #63 of 123
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Originally Posted by JosephFriedrich View Post

I don't get why someone would want a the iPhone to be larger. It defies the point of mobile devices, mobility. You want to carry around a phone, that you can easily slip in and out of a pocket. Why would want your phone to be the size of a small scale tablet? Just get a tablet if you absolutely need something bigger.
If you want a phone that you can easily slip in/out of pocket, buy a dumb candy bar phone. For more productive use a larger screen is a must for me.
post #64 of 123
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Frankly, I don't know anyone that likes the 4" screen, including my 63 year old mother. Remember, the 3.5" - 4" screen was a Steve Jobs thing. You have to be able to use the phone with one hand, and even then it was aggravating touching the wrong thing with my thumb half the time.

Exactly. The thumb is not the best method of input.

I will use my phone with one hand, and one thumb, only when I have to. A quick text, making a phone call, etc.

But when I want to do anything extensive with my iPhone... I prefer two hands.

I will hold my phone with one hand and use my other hand and much more accurate index finger for control.

Plus... I use some apps with two and three-finger taps and other gestures. You can't do that with a single thumb.
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Originally Posted by mvigod View Post

Based on apple's lawsuit notes where they knew large screens were chewing up market share I'd say their line about "using with one hand" was just PR damage control. Cook failed to produce a large screen phone when he should have in 2012 or at least '13. By making one now they concede it was the right thing to do but simply did not execute in time. They paid the price and lost many to Samsung as a result and their stock took a big hit and is now epoxied in the low 500's.

I agree with you 100% but I've got a bad reputation on this site for blaming Tim Cook for being asleep at the helm.  I heard Cook say that Apple considered large displays but the technology wasn't quite ready or at least wasn't up to Apple's standards.  I honestly wanted to believe him.  However there is the simple fact that every other smartphone manufacturer was able to make and sell them and it seems an awful lot of consumers were pleased with the larger displays and whatever problems or drawbacks went with them.  If Tim Cook had simply said Apple was following a specific roadmap and timeline, then I could have at least understood that.  It takes time for Apple to line up components at perfect price points to hold margins.  What Cook said merely sounded like a lame excuse.

 

It's true that I like to gripe about Apple and as a shareholder I feel I'm entitled to at least that much as long as I continue holding the stock.  I just happen to think that a company that has $160 billion in the bank should be able to move as fast as some of the Android manufacturers or at least stay level with them.  I know Apple beat everyone with a 64-bit processor but Wall Street doesn't give a damn about that and just keeps asking for an iPhone with a larger display.  On the surface it just appears as though Apple is doing nothing as no new products are being announced.  C'mon.  2012 to 2014 is a huge amount of time in the smartphone industry and yet Apple still hasn't at least offered a large display iPhone.  It's like Apple saying that Samsung is a more flexible hardware company (which it actually does seem to be).

 

 It's possible that Apple did the right thing and waited until everything it wanted fell into place.  I can't run a company, but Apple does a fine job of it.  I think they should at least let shareholders know what is going on.  But yet I'm still pissed when I hear Tim Cook talking about some mythical product pipeline that never seems to let out a drop.  I'm impatient and Apple works at a snail's pace while Samsung puts out some mobile product every couple of weeks.  I don't care about how often Apple puts out new products but Wall Street definitely does and Apple's share price shows it, as you succinctly said, epoxied in the low $500 range.

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I've got a bad reputation on this site for blaming Tim Cook for being asleep at the helm.

Thanks for the laugh, but I think the list is a little longer than that. Your posts are usually entertaining as are the replies.
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post #67 of 123
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That I think the majority of iPhone buyers like is the ecosystem/iOS. If you're not given the choice of a larger phone then, of course, you're going to buy what is offered. (the same "might" even be said for iOS 7)

 

Hopefully that theory will be tested later this year.

I totally agree with you that the market will determine what size suits them.

I know a few who need a larger screen because of poor close vision, thay will be happy.

 

A larger iPhone screen interests me, but fortunately I have very good close vision and I love the iOS 7 & App capability to change text sizes.

But if the price is significantly higher for a 4.5" vs 4" iPhone; I would go for the smaller screen.

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The 4" is their bread and butter iphone now.  Why do some think overnight they will be no more?  They are testing out the other sizes due to perceived demand.  Does not mean they will can the 4" unless sales of those went to zero overnight.

I always wonder why people think they would drop the currently best selling line. I'm pretty sure the Executives at Apple have all learned about "The New Coke" in probably their first few days of business school. I was amazed they released the 5c this year. I doubt there will be a 6c at the next release, but that's just me.

For those who are truly worried then I promise that if the new "larger iPhone" is only selling half as many units in comparison to the 5s, they will all of a sudden re-introduce the 4" form factor.

If they only release the 4" form factor with current technologies then who cares? I've read thousands of posts on this site about how it's "not about the specs", so stick with your old iPhone.

I don't have many wealthy friends, and I know quite a few people who were elated to recently get an iPhone 4. From some of the posts I read here I sometimes wonder if the poster actually travels about in society today. I rarely see "high end" devices.
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Barring a complete breakthrough in camera technology, like near-field optics (which no rumors, even, have discussed), or violating the laws of physics in regular camera technology, the iPhone is as thin as it can get already (if not thinner).
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That concept looks hideous, sometimes ticker is better specifically when it comes to smartphones

 

 

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That concept looks hideous, sometimes ticker is better specifically when it comes to smartphones

I like them. I like that they are thinner with a rounded edge which could mean it being about as light as it currently is and still allowing for a good thumb swipe with one-handed usage despite the larger display. I also like the non-metal back which would make NFC a possibility thus allowing for secure transaction system.

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Exactly. The thumb is not the best method of input.

I will use my phone with one hand, and one thumb, only when I have to. A quick text, making a phone call, etc.

But when I want to do anything extensive with my iPhone... I prefer two hands.

I will hold my phone with one hand and use my other hand and much more accurate index finger for control.

Plus... I use some apps with two and three-finger taps and other gestures. You can't do that with a single thumb.

 

You are exactly right and I have mentioned the same thing many times here as well. Apple have a lot of very smart people and they realize even with the current iPhone if you spend more than a few seconds doing a task chances are you will switch to 2 hand mode because it is more comfortable and the index finger is more precise. One handed use is no longer the "end all be all" it once was. Since people spend a lot more time looking at the display than they did years ago they want a larger display. The increased preference for landscape over portrait mode for viewing was the death knell for the 4". This will be the 1st iPhone I have been truly excited about since the very first one. 

 

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I have the iPhone 5s.  I like the phone but desperately want a larger screen for my poor 50 year old eyes...

 

I just have trouble seeing the smaller fronts in the little screen on the 5s....

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 It's possible that Apple did the right thing and waited until everything it wanted fell into place.  I can't run a company, but Apple does a fine job of it.

Are you feeling all right? /s

I think what we'll see is that display production technology, namely LTPS at high volume and high density, finally caught up with Apple's needs. Samsung uses their own OLED fabs, not available to Apple. Other companies using LTPS have been living off scraps from the factories that have been mostly supplying Apple for their iPhones. Where they may need a million displays, Apple needs tens of millions.

Tim Cook was not lying or making excuses. LTPS has been in short supply, and now seems to be available in volume.
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Over the years I needs change a lots of people Are using their phones instead of the computer phone is no longer a phone this more than that . And were all different with different needs personally I would love a bigger iPhone , i'm 45 my eyes are not what they were ! Bought the iPads for my children and girlfriend but I cannot carry around two products so I'll rely on my iPhone when travelling so yes I would like a big iPhone not too big so I can't fit it in my pocket,
I do not like tablets you would look silly on the phone that's my personal opinion
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Seeing the concept iPhone; a bezel-less phone contradicts with one hand usability. It may look good in concept but anyone with a brain knows it will cause a lot of accidental touches on the screen.
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Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 3G' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 4' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 5' at record levels

Consumer interest in Apple's 'iPhone 6' at record levels

 

Not really news at this point. EVERY iPhone has commanded the lion's share of "consumer interest" since day 1, big screen or not, feature "x" or not, feature "y" or not. 

 

I guess every iPhone generation attracts previous Android phone owners. Well, I am forced to use Android phone since it is a trend that led the manufacturers to drop Symbian powered phones in their line up. It also shows that when you experience an OS that leaves you with a bitter after-experience, you tend to look back or better, look for the a different OS phone in the market.

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Font size can be changed, just look for the setting under accessibility. ;-)

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I have the iPhone 5s.  I like the phone but desperately want a larger screen for my poor 50 year old eyes...

 

I just have trouble seeing the smaller fronts in the little screen on the 5s....

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Font size can be changed, just look for the setting under accessibility. ;-)

Thanks but it does not change everything...
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The market has "shifted" because other companies ONLY offer their flagship devices in bigger sizes. Consumers have never had a choice. The smaller models are shitty, crippled low-end versions. So it goes both ways- consumers don't have the option of a large device with Apple, but they only don't get the option of a high-end smaller device with anyone else. All that you will see pushed, advertised, and recommended form Samsung, etc.  are the monster phones. Stop pretending it has anything to do with consumers demanding a bigger size. 

 

Wrong. Motorola has never really had a large handset. Their flagship, the Moto X, is almost as small as the iPhone 5s. It bombed... Motorola bled so much red ink, Google had to get rid of them.

 

Even when the larger phones were introduced, handset makers made other phones that had ordinary screen sizes. HTC One last year even only sported 4.7" screen. That's relatively small in the Android world. Yet, who's outselling? Yep, the bigger Galaxy and Galaxy Note lines from Samsung.

 

There has even long been cries in this forum for a larger iPhone. I was one of them!

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