It can be adapted I think for phones. I am not an developer, but it is Linux so you never know. One thing is also true. Symbian the OS is very good, very powerful and suited well for phones, but the UI is scary beyond belief. I like the functionality of my N97 and will put it up against my iPhone (when I get it in 10 days. I am sure the iPhone UI and video playback features will kill the N97 but the N97 will hold its own in the telephony, file manipulation, emailing, messaging arena. For me, neither out does the other as I seem them as two different types of phones. Maybe this is why I have no problem with either company unlike the rabid iBoy iSheeple (not you Mel) who troll the halls of AI. Nokia has a few things up its sleeves and they look pretty interesting.
Apple and Nokia go different ways.
To me, it seems as though Nokia is being conservative with its phones. The model they use, which is to add everything they can think of into their product, goes against Apple's long held belief of simplicity first, and only add a feature if it can be made to work easily, intuitively, and properly. Nokia also wants to please everyone, while Apple understands that this isn't possible, and is willing to lose some possible customers in order to make its products better for the rest.
This is why, when some people keep telling us that Apple's product doesn't have this feature, or that feature, I get saddened that they just don't understand the point to it all.
Apple's products will never hold up on a pure feature to feature basis. They aren't supposed to.
I'm sure that when you get ypur phone, you will see this as well. The N97 has lots of features, but in the areas in which the N97 and the 3Gs converge, are the N97's features better, the same or worse, in general. Who has done a better job with those features? Thats the real question.
Now, if you're used to doing things the way Nokia does them, then you might still prefer them. That's something that difficult to access.
But when people who have never had a smartphone before will compare the two, which do you this THEY will prefer?
That's the most important question to ask, as most people HAVE never used a smartphone, and as a result, most new customers will be from that crowd.
It's not impossible for Nokia to capture that very important customer base, but they must change the way they look at phones. Can they do that?
Let me make one point about N97 and 3GS. Those of you who live in America, probably think the 3GS has a price tag of 200 dollars? Did you know the real price is 700 dollars. In Italy (where handset subsidies are illegal) they pay 700 dollars for both the 3GS and the N97. What the subsidy allows, is for your carrier AT&T in the USA, O2 in the UK etc, to hide a monthly installments plan that they force you to eat.
Imagine if you go to a car dealership to buy a car. It has a sticker price 25,000 dollars. They have financing terms that allow you to pay 20% down, and rest on 3 year contract. So you only pay 5,000 dollars today, and the rest is a monthly payment. The car did not suddenly became a 5,000 dollar car. You still bought a 25,000 dollar car, you only are committed to paying the rest in installments.
So please do not think for one moment the 3GS is a 200 dollar phone. It is not. It is almost identical in price, 700 dollars, as the N97 (coincidence?). And to show how unfair the world is, in the UK you still pay about 200 dollars (a bit more actually) for the iPhone via O2, but on the rival networks, they offer the N97 for free. How twisted is that?
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Originally Posted by melgross
I'd like to respond to this briefly.
No one here thinks the iPhone costs $200, or $300. I don't know where you got that incorrect impression. We are all very aware of how the phone is priced, both here, and abroad. We understand subsidies (which, by the way, are very different from your incorrect use of the car analogy). We understand full pricing. We've discussed this many times.
I?d like to add to this. My problem with the N97 is not that it has features and usability that I prefer on the iPhone as no single device can possibly suit everyone?s needs. I like Nokia and hope they can get their OS UI together quickly as well as get Fennec on all their devices so that WebKit can have more competition on the mobile front.
My problem with the N97 is that it?s specs are a stopgap device that is priced at the SAME price as the iPhone and the Palm Pre despite it still having the (ARMv6) ARM11 CPU that Apple put in the iPhone back in 2007, instead of the (ARMv7-A) Cortex A8. It also has half the RAM and half the HSDPA bandwidth of other flagship smartphones coming out in mid-2009.
In the US, 3.6Mbps is fine for now, but there are parts of the world where the lack 7.2Mbps HSDPA will be an issue. Granted, i don?t think the slower HW in the N97 can handle more than the chip can supply, but I don?t think Nokia is doing itself any favours by offering this device with oldhat HW with such a high price point.
The only benefit to Nokia is that Symbian doesn?t require as much system resources to run the way iPhone OS X does, but that doesn?t mean the consumer should be paying more for the feeling of being faster.
As for O2 giving the N97 away for free with a contract, that isn?t unusual. I?m sure O2?s price for N97 is lower than the iPhone and due to the iPhone?s current success O2 doesn?t have to make deals to move the device to the consumer. After Christmas, when people who wanted the 3GS have it and others are waiting for the next version, they very well may offer with a discount.
Personally, I think Nokia needs something great to shine again and the N97 is not going to cut it simply because it offers a 5Mpx camera, which is quite easy to do when you offer more room for a camera.
One thing that hasn?t been mentioned much is that the Flash in the 3GS may be faster than the previous devices, which may explain why it?s even beating out other devices using the Cortex A-8. This is not in any innovative, but something that should be noted AFTER the innovative or deal-breaking aspects of a device are stated in an article about innovative. At the end, this is where a comment about the camera?s high-megapixels should go.
However, I understand it?s hard to compare Apple products to other companies products simply by virtue of what the innovations are. A lot of what makes Apple succeed cannot be found on a spec sheet, so it?s a bit troubling when Nokia?s $700 device has the HW that the original iPhone had in 2007.
The general concept is a phone that has a large, good resolution screen, can access the internet easily, and well, can also access data and mail, and can install, and use various fairly sophisticated programs. I would think that it would also include syncing to a computer, or other device for backing up and adding new data.
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. If Nokia is smart, they will shell out a ton of money on maybe one or two Apple guys. Tell them they can have all the reindeer meat they can eat, and not to mention Finnish women are pretty hot (it's summer. had to throw that in), give them the keys to the vault. Buy the talent you need to get it done. Apple is a prove UI leader. No one can top them. Nokia can compete technologically so, use the Nokia tech, Apple UI and come up with something that people will shell out money for.
By the way, I think Nokia is already starting to realize that it has to start to dump some customers. The N97 is the case in point. The hardcore, hardware junkies are screaming that Nokia let them down with the hardware but what is under the hood is more than adequate. The N97 is fast. The code is so damn optimized and I "know" a few tweaks are coming to make it even better. The hardcore guys jumped ship and went to the LG i810HD but are finding out it is a technological dog. The f/w is buggy as hell, and they ain't seen no upgrades yet. Nokia went with what works, gives great and I do mean great battery life, and very good stability. I am sure I will like the iPhone as much as the N97.
I suppose it could, but it was invented for the PLO.
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Nokia had some boneheaded guy in the UK talking about the iPhone will suck the N97's gravy, but the truth of the matter is, they are not in the same league. People, namely the media, put them side by side always. The iPhone, in my view, is very focused and specific, while I feel the N97 is a jack of all trades master of none which will appeal to a very large base. There is plenty of market for both and Tomi is correct, LG and Samsung are the new giant killers. What out for them. They are very good. Once they get past the "cram it all in boys even if it doesn't quite work right" phase and get down to making all of that technology ubiquitous, they will start to make inroads. This should all mean great stuff for consumers. Either way, I will probably have two or three of each.
The first cell phones I had were the Samsung i300, and then the i330. Both were well made and worked well. The i300 was the first color Palmphone, or at least the first here in the US.
I remember when Samsung had almost no marketshare only to come up pretty far in a few years.[/QUOTE]
OOPS!
I screwed uo your post!
I hit edit instead of reply.
I'm pointing out the ones that are mine in bold here. I'm going to delete them from yours, but it will still say that I edited it. Sorry.
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. [?]
How about copying Palm buy buying them out, which gets them all those Apple people Palm stole. Nokia can put it?s much great resources to work on making WebOS even better and use their extensive knowledge in HW to make a device that the Pre should have been.
PS: I really hope Apple steals some of ideas from WebOS at the same time. I won?t go into it again, but there are areas where WebOS is the de facto standard of usability.
Let me make one point about N97 and 3GS. Those of you who live in America, probably think the 3GS has a price tag of 200 dollars? Did you know the real price is 700 dollars. In Italy (where handset subsidies are illegal) they pay 700 dollars for both the 3GS and the N97. What the subsidy allows, is for your carrier AT&T in the USA, O2 in the UK etc, to hide a monthly installments plan that they force you to eat.
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
If he is who he says he is --- then he is not much a telecom consultant.
Of course, there are a zillion newspaper reporters writing newspaper articles that were wrong about simlocking ---- i.e. UK hasn't forced their carriers to give out unlocking codes since 2002, but plenty of reporters and consultants still thought otherwise.
I have never seen anyone at a high level in any industry come on a rumors site such as this one and post so much commentary.
I must say that you certainly are not modest, are you?
That is, assuming that it really is Mr. Ahonen.
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
When I first read his blog almost three years ago, I had the same reaction about his "modesty." But what does that matter? The guy is seriously interested in sharing information about the huge opportunity that is mobile. And I thank him for it. It doesn't mean I think he's always right, (one should always take what one reads on the web with many grains of salt) and I've debated with him over there on his blog. But one thing you'll notice is that he'll always back things up with data (and historical facts), and he's always open to new data that will change his mind.
Anyway, welcome Mr. Ahonen, thank you for engaging here. I hope you find that this group desires to be critical learners, and that we do have much to learn from each other.
While I found Q2 2009 results mentioning the smartphone share. I couldn't find the result for Q2 2008. I only found the overall phone share of 40% and the forward estimate of 39%.
Would you show, link to, or quote the part about Q2 2008 smartphone percentage?
It's in the link I posted.
To quote...
Quote:
Nokia's share of the converged device market was an estimated 41% in the second quarter 2009, unchanged from 41% in the second quarter 2008 and up from 39% in the first quarter 2009.
Should have paid more attention myself - I put 38% for Q1.
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. If Nokia is smart, they will shell out a ton of money on maybe one or two Apple guys. Tell them they can have all the reindeer meat they can eat, and not to mention Finnish women are pretty hot (it's summer. had to throw that in), give them the keys to the vault. Buy the talent you need to get it done. Apple is a prove UI leader. No one can top them. Nokia can compete technologically so, use the Nokia tech, Apple UI and come up with something that people will shell out money for.
They would have to get to the very top. That's not so easy.
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By the way, I think Nokia is already starting to realize that it has to start to dump some customers. The N97 is the case in point. The hardcore, hardware junkies are screaming that Nokia let them down with the hardware but what is under the hood is more than adequate. The N97 is fast. The code is so damn optimized and I "know" a few tweaks are coming to make it even better. The hardcore guys jumped ship and went to the LG i810HD but are finding out it is a technological dog. The f/w is buggy as hell, and they ain't seen no upgrades yet. Nokia went with what works, gives great and I do mean great battery life, and very good stability. I am sure I will like the iPhone as much as the N97.
I thought the N97 was their top line phone for all those who would pay for it. What is different in this from the N95 that would make you think that?
Most reviewers have said that the phone is slow, and even jerky at times, and that the screen can be unresponsive. You haven't seen this?
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
When I first read his blog almost three years ago, I had the same reaction about his "modesty." But what does that matter? The guy is seriously interested in sharing information about the huge opportunity that is mobile. And I thank him for it. It doesn't mean I think he's always right, (one should always take what one reads on the web with many grains of salt) and I've debated with him over there on his blog. But one thing you'll notice is that he'll always back things up with data (and historical facts), and he's always open to new data that will change his mind.
Anyway, welcome Mr. Ahonen, thank you for engaging here. I hope you find that this group desires to be critical learners, and that we do have much to learn from each other.
Hopefully so. It's odd that he would respond here though. If he is, then I hope he responds to my posts and hasn't just sideswiped us briefly.
They would have to get to the very top. That's not so easy.
I thought the N97 was their top line phone for all those who would pay for it. What is different in this from the N95 that would make you think that?
Most reviewers have said that the phone is slow, and even jerky at times, and that the screen can be unresponsive. You haven't seen this?
The N97 is pretty much the top of the N line. The E currently has the E75 which is pretty nice as well. Yes, I have one.
Not sure what reviews you are reading. I have been playing with a pre-production version that was a bit awkward but the production versions are quite okay. The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but after a few days things become natural. I have to admit I do like the "real" keyboard for typing. The N95 was a bi-directional slider phone. It had graphics acceleration and a few tricks that Nokia dropped. The one phone that is still the best in my opinion is the N82. It is probably still the best phone in its class and even out of its class because of the flash, the camera, and the stability. It is a great phone.
The N97 is pretty much the top of the N line. The E currently has the E75 which is pretty nice as well. Yes, I have one.
Not sure what reviews you are reading. I have been playing with a pre-production version that was a bit awkward but the production versions are quite okay. The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but after a few days things become natural. I have to admit I do like the "real" keyboard for typing. The N95 was a bi-directional slider phone. It had graphics acceleration and a few tricks that Nokia dropped. The one phone that is still the best in my opinion is the N82. It is probably still the best phone in its class and even out of its class because of the flash, the camera, and the stability. It is a great phone.
I posted a bunch of links in response to another post earlier ( the guy never responded to that). Should I post a bunch of links now?
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What's a smartphone?
This is a serious question.
Did not feel like looking deeper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone
It can be adapted I think for phones. I am not an developer, but it is Linux so you never know. One thing is also true. Symbian the OS is very good, very powerful and suited well for phones, but the UI is scary beyond belief. I like the functionality of my N97 and will put it up against my iPhone (when I get it in 10 days. I am sure the iPhone UI and video playback features will kill the N97 but the N97 will hold its own in the telephony, file manipulation, emailing, messaging arena. For me, neither out does the other as I seem them as two different types of phones. Maybe this is why I have no problem with either company unlike the rabid iBoy iSheeple (not you Mel) who troll the halls of AI. Nokia has a few things up its sleeves and they look pretty interesting.
Apple and Nokia go different ways.
To me, it seems as though Nokia is being conservative with its phones. The model they use, which is to add everything they can think of into their product, goes against Apple's long held belief of simplicity first, and only add a feature if it can be made to work easily, intuitively, and properly. Nokia also wants to please everyone, while Apple understands that this isn't possible, and is willing to lose some possible customers in order to make its products better for the rest.
This is why, when some people keep telling us that Apple's product doesn't have this feature, or that feature, I get saddened that they just don't understand the point to it all.
Apple's products will never hold up on a pure feature to feature basis. They aren't supposed to.
I'm sure that when you get ypur phone, you will see this as well. The N97 has lots of features, but in the areas in which the N97 and the 3Gs converge, are the N97's features better, the same or worse, in general. Who has done a better job with those features? Thats the real question.
Now, if you're used to doing things the way Nokia does them, then you might still prefer them. That's something that difficult to access.
But when people who have never had a smartphone before will compare the two, which do you this THEY will prefer?
That's the most important question to ask, as most people HAVE never used a smartphone, and as a result, most new customers will be from that crowd.
It's not impossible for Nokia to capture that very important customer base, but they must change the way they look at phones. Can they do that?
Let me make one point about N97 and 3GS. Those of you who live in America, probably think the 3GS has a price tag of 200 dollars? Did you know the real price is 700 dollars. In Italy (where handset subsidies are illegal) they pay 700 dollars for both the 3GS and the N97. What the subsidy allows, is for your carrier AT&T in the USA, O2 in the UK etc, to hide a monthly installments plan that they force you to eat.
Imagine if you go to a car dealership to buy a car. It has a sticker price 25,000 dollars. They have financing terms that allow you to pay 20% down, and rest on 3 year contract. So you only pay 5,000 dollars today, and the rest is a monthly payment. The car did not suddenly became a 5,000 dollar car. You still bought a 25,000 dollar car, you only are committed to paying the rest in installments.
So please do not think for one moment the 3GS is a 200 dollar phone. It is not. It is almost identical in price, 700 dollars, as the N97 (coincidence?). And to show how unfair the world is, in the UK you still pay about 200 dollars (a bit more actually) for the iPhone via O2, but on the rival networks, they offer the N97 for free. How twisted is that?
I'd like to respond to this briefly.
No one here thinks the iPhone costs $200, or $300. I don't know where you got that incorrect impression. We are all very aware of how the phone is priced, both here, and abroad. We understand subsidies (which, by the way, are very different from your incorrect use of the car analogy). We understand full pricing. We've discussed this many times.
I?d like to add to this. My problem with the N97 is not that it has features and usability that I prefer on the iPhone as no single device can possibly suit everyone?s needs. I like Nokia and hope they can get their OS UI together quickly as well as get Fennec on all their devices so that WebKit can have more competition on the mobile front.
My problem with the N97 is that it?s specs are a stopgap device that is priced at the SAME price as the iPhone and the Palm Pre despite it still having the (ARMv6) ARM11 CPU that Apple put in the iPhone back in 2007, instead of the (ARMv7-A) Cortex A8. It also has half the RAM and half the HSDPA bandwidth of other flagship smartphones coming out in mid-2009.
In the US, 3.6Mbps is fine for now, but there are parts of the world where the lack 7.2Mbps HSDPA will be an issue. Granted, i don?t think the slower HW in the N97 can handle more than the chip can supply, but I don?t think Nokia is doing itself any favours by offering this device with oldhat HW with such a high price point.
The only benefit to Nokia is that Symbian doesn?t require as much system resources to run the way iPhone OS X does, but that doesn?t mean the consumer should be paying more for the feeling of being faster.
As for O2 giving the N97 away for free with a contract, that isn?t unusual. I?m sure O2?s price for N97 is lower than the iPhone and due to the iPhone?s current success O2 doesn?t have to make deals to move the device to the consumer. After Christmas, when people who wanted the 3GS have it and others are waiting for the next version, they very well may offer with a discount.
Personally, I think Nokia needs something great to shine again and the N97 is not going to cut it simply because it offers a 5Mpx camera, which is quite easy to do when you offer more room for a camera.
One thing that hasn?t been mentioned much is that the Flash in the 3GS may be faster than the previous devices, which may explain why it?s even beating out other devices using the Cortex A-8. This is not in any innovative, but something that should be noted AFTER the innovative or deal-breaking aspects of a device are stated in an article about innovative. At the end, this is where a comment about the camera?s high-megapixels should go.
However, I understand it?s hard to compare Apple products to other companies products simply by virtue of what the innovations are. A lot of what makes Apple succeed cannot be found on a spec sheet, so it?s a bit troubling when Nokia?s $700 device has the HW that the original iPhone had in 2007.
PS: Please, no more car analogies.
What's a smartphone?
This is a serious question.
We didn't know that before.
It's not defined that closely.
The general concept is a phone that has a large, good resolution screen, can access the internet easily, and well, can also access data and mail, and can install, and use various fairly sophisticated programs. I would think that it would also include syncing to a computer, or other device for backing up and adding new data.
So what the hell is Nokia going to do to make a device that competes with other high-end smart/media-phones on the HW, OS, UI, and services?
Apple and Nokia go different ways. .........
Can they do that?
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. If Nokia is smart, they will shell out a ton of money on maybe one or two Apple guys. Tell them they can have all the reindeer meat they can eat, and not to mention Finnish women are pretty hot (it's summer. had to throw that in), give them the keys to the vault. Buy the talent you need to get it done. Apple is a prove UI leader. No one can top them. Nokia can compete technologically so, use the Nokia tech, Apple UI and come up with something that people will shell out money for.
By the way, I think Nokia is already starting to realize that it has to start to dump some customers. The N97 is the case in point. The hardcore, hardware junkies are screaming that Nokia let them down with the hardware but what is under the hood is more than adequate. The N97 is fast. The code is so damn optimized and I "know" a few tweaks are coming to make it even better. The hardcore guys jumped ship and went to the LG i810HD but are finding out it is a technological dog. The f/w is buggy as hell, and they ain't seen no upgrades yet. Nokia went with what works, gives great and I do mean great battery life, and very good stability. I am sure I will like the iPhone as much as the N97.
Or can be said of Israel. Oi ve (spelling).
I suppose it could, but it was invented for the PLO.
Nokia had some boneheaded guy in the UK talking about the iPhone will suck the N97's gravy, but the truth of the matter is, they are not in the same league. People, namely the media, put them side by side always. The iPhone, in my view, is very focused and specific, while I feel the N97 is a jack of all trades master of none which will appeal to a very large base. There is plenty of market for both and Tomi is correct, LG and Samsung are the new giant killers. What out for them. They are very good. Once they get past the "cram it all in boys even if it doesn't quite work right" phase and get down to making all of that technology ubiquitous, they will start to make inroads. This should all mean great stuff for consumers. Either way, I will probably have two or three of each.
The first cell phones I had were the Samsung i300, and then the i330. Both were well made and worked well. The i300 was the first color Palmphone, or at least the first here in the US.
I remember when Samsung had almost no marketshare only to come up pretty far in a few years.[/QUOTE]
OOPS!
I screwed uo your post!
I hit edit instead of reply.
I'm pointing out the ones that are mine in bold here. I'm going to delete them from yours, but it will still say that I edited it. Sorry.
I do not think O2 offers the N97. I think they blew their budget on the iPhone. I could be wrong but I will check with my UK guys about this.
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. [?]
How about copying Palm buy buying them out, which gets them all those Apple people Palm stole.
PS: I really hope Apple steals some of ideas from WebOS at the same time. I won?t go into it again, but there are areas where WebOS is the de facto standard of usability.
Let me make one point about N97 and 3GS. Those of you who live in America, probably think the 3GS has a price tag of 200 dollars? Did you know the real price is 700 dollars. In Italy (where handset subsidies are illegal) they pay 700 dollars for both the 3GS and the N97. What the subsidy allows, is for your carrier AT&T in the USA, O2 in the UK etc, to hide a monthly installments plan that they force you to eat.
Handset subsidies are perfectly LEGAL in Italy.
http://www.telecomsitaly.com/2006/05...imlock_me.html
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
If he is who he says he is --- then he is not much a telecom consultant.
Of course, there are a zillion newspaper reporters writing newspaper articles that were wrong about simlocking ---- i.e. UK hasn't forced their carriers to give out unlocking codes since 2002, but plenty of reporters and consultants still thought otherwise.
I have never seen anyone at a high level in any industry come on a rumors site such as this one and post so much commentary.
I must say that you certainly are not modest, are you?
That is, assuming that it really is Mr. Ahonen.
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
When I first read his blog almost three years ago, I had the same reaction about his "modesty." But what does that matter? The guy is seriously interested in sharing information about the huge opportunity that is mobile. And I thank him for it. It doesn't mean I think he's always right, (one should always take what one reads on the web with many grains of salt) and I've debated with him over there on his blog. But one thing you'll notice is that he'll always back things up with data (and historical facts), and he's always open to new data that will change his mind.
Anyway, welcome Mr. Ahonen, thank you for engaging here. I hope you find that this group desires to be critical learners, and that we do have much to learn from each other.
While I found Q2 2009 results mentioning the smartphone share. I couldn't find the result for Q2 2008. I only found the overall phone share of 40% and the forward estimate of 39%.
Would you show, link to, or quote the part about Q2 2008 smartphone percentage?
It's in the link I posted.
To quote...
Nokia's share of the converged device market was an estimated 41% in the second quarter 2009, unchanged from 41% in the second quarter 2008 and up from 39% in the first quarter 2009.
Should have paid more attention myself - I put 38% for Q1.
For me, the best way for Nokia to change would be to follow the Apple model to some extent. I would always go with what works for the other guy but do it in my own way so it does not appear as though I am copying. If Nokia is smart, they will shell out a ton of money on maybe one or two Apple guys. Tell them they can have all the reindeer meat they can eat, and not to mention Finnish women are pretty hot (it's summer. had to throw that in), give them the keys to the vault. Buy the talent you need to get it done. Apple is a prove UI leader. No one can top them. Nokia can compete technologically so, use the Nokia tech, Apple UI and come up with something that people will shell out money for.
They would have to get to the very top. That's not so easy.
By the way, I think Nokia is already starting to realize that it has to start to dump some customers. The N97 is the case in point. The hardcore, hardware junkies are screaming that Nokia let them down with the hardware but what is under the hood is more than adequate. The N97 is fast. The code is so damn optimized and I "know" a few tweaks are coming to make it even better. The hardcore guys jumped ship and went to the LG i810HD but are finding out it is a technological dog. The f/w is buggy as hell, and they ain't seen no upgrades yet. Nokia went with what works, gives great and I do mean great battery life, and very good stability. I am sure I will like the iPhone as much as the N97.
I thought the N97 was their top line phone for all those who would pay for it. What is different in this from the N95 that would make you think that?
Most reviewers have said that the phone is slow, and even jerky at times, and that the screen can be unresponsive. You haven't seen this?
BTW...
I do not think O2 offers the N97. I think they blew their budget on the iPhone. I could be wrong but I will check with my UK guys about this.
I think the Ads I was seeing for it there were from Vodaphone.
I can assure you that he is who he says he is. If you read his blog and his books, you'll note he has a very unique writing style. And his comments here match his style totally.
When I first read his blog almost three years ago, I had the same reaction about his "modesty." But what does that matter? The guy is seriously interested in sharing information about the huge opportunity that is mobile. And I thank him for it. It doesn't mean I think he's always right, (one should always take what one reads on the web with many grains of salt) and I've debated with him over there on his blog. But one thing you'll notice is that he'll always back things up with data (and historical facts), and he's always open to new data that will change his mind.
Anyway, welcome Mr. Ahonen, thank you for engaging here. I hope you find that this group desires to be critical learners, and that we do have much to learn from each other.
Hopefully so. It's odd that he would respond here though. If he is, then I hope he responds to my posts and hasn't just sideswiped us briefly.
They would have to get to the very top. That's not so easy.
I thought the N97 was their top line phone for all those who would pay for it. What is different in this from the N95 that would make you think that?
Most reviewers have said that the phone is slow, and even jerky at times, and that the screen can be unresponsive. You haven't seen this?
The N97 is pretty much the top of the N line. The E currently has the E75 which is pretty nice as well. Yes, I have one.
Not sure what reviews you are reading. I have been playing with a pre-production version that was a bit awkward but the production versions are quite okay. The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but after a few days things become natural. I have to admit I do like the "real" keyboard for typing. The N95 was a bi-directional slider phone. It had graphics acceleration and a few tricks that Nokia dropped. The one phone that is still the best in my opinion is the N82. It is probably still the best phone in its class and even out of its class because of the flash, the camera, and the stability. It is a great phone.
It's in the link I posted.
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Should have paid more attention myself - I put 38% for Q1.
What exactly does the "converged device market" mean? In the 2009 2Q they simply said "smartphone".
Hopefully so. It's odd that he would respond here though. If he is, then I hope he responds to my posts and hasn't just sideswiped us briefly.
He mentioned that he was in the airport and was about to board so maybe this is why.
The N97 is pretty much the top of the N line. The E currently has the E75 which is pretty nice as well. Yes, I have one.
Not sure what reviews you are reading. I have been playing with a pre-production version that was a bit awkward but the production versions are quite okay. The keyboard takes a bit of getting used to, but after a few days things become natural. I have to admit I do like the "real" keyboard for typing. The N95 was a bi-directional slider phone. It had graphics acceleration and a few tricks that Nokia dropped. The one phone that is still the best in my opinion is the N82. It is probably still the best phone in its class and even out of its class because of the flash, the camera, and the stability. It is a great phone.
I posted a bunch of links in response to another post earlier ( the guy never responded to that). Should I post a bunch of links now?