Yes the iMac with bluetooth keyboard and mouse can be a pretty clean install - but then you might add a printer - a DSl or cable modem - even if you wireless network - there is still more to the story than just the power cord.
In my case i have 4 Macs and 1 PC with 4 printers, 2 scanners, two external monitors attached to notebooks, Airport Extreme router with external hard drive, Airport Express upstairs, wireless trackball on one notebook, wired on the other, about 15 other USB devices including iPhone, iPod, joystick and other gaming devices, Zip drive, external backup hard drives on two of the notebooks, etc, plus a secondary switch on the network with cable runs upstairs and to a workbench where I have an extra keyboard monitor mouse setup for working on computers for friends and family. So while I have 4 of 5 computers as Macs I have lots of cable clutter.
I did setup an iMac for a friend as his only computer but he does have a printer and a headset and a wired keyboard and mouse and ethernet running to a cable modem so a few wires.
It would be nice if more Apple notebooks had docking stations - my Thinkpad docking station is very convenient and moves all the clutter to the back of the machine instead of sticking out the sides.
Yep, I see your point. I do have an iphone that I forgot to mention. I have a wireless printer connected to an Apple Router located on a shelf in my office. My next step is to purchase a Time Capsule which will eliminate the need for a External HD, pwr brick and USB/FW cable. It would be great if Apple would design a Time Capsule with a cable modem included. that would be another pwr brick and cable eliminated...but it will never happen with all the cable variations.
Many times I have run power cables/and internet cables through the walls and into a closet so I can put all the superfluous "stuff" in there. That way I don't have to look at cable modems, routers, ext. HD's and ugly designed printers.
The iMac all in one goes a long way in minimizing the clutter.
The important questions are how many people buying the $500 PC previously bought a computer for over $1000 and are now slumming, and are those customers satisfied with their new cheap PCs or not. That phenomenon would be reason to question Apple's direction.
If, on the other hand, the $500 market is mostly first-time buyers, that's not Apple's problem. It may turn out to be an opportunity for Apple down the road when some of those people are dissatisfied by TCO and look for a better, less stressful deal next time.
Why didn't you use one of the free alternatives on Windows, such as OpenOffice? I would have saved you a trip back to your hotel...
Probably because OpenOffice is still kludgy and awful to use. I tried to use it a year ago and that was a pain. The Mac is just simpler and pain free in most respects.
One thing I take for granted in Leopard is the spell checker throughout the system and the dictionary. Those are two great resource for a bad speller like myself.
Absolutely, Somehow the majority of Americans base "value" solely on price. E.g., a $16 blender from Walmart (lasts about a year) is a better value than a $60 Braun blender designed to last 7 years.
The business model is, "make a crap product," sell it cheaply, advertise the hell out of it, make a quick buck and fill up the landfills. Think-McDonalds, Coke, Cereal companies, American Beer companies, GM, Microsoft, Dell, HP, Cold Play, the list goes on and on.
Thank goodness for Apple, Toyota and Honda
Probably would have been smarter to omit the bolded paragraph entirely. Instead of making your point stronger, you just diverted attention from it, since many things on that list make no sense for various reasons.
Not everyone has the luxury of waiting until they can afford one. However at the same time, this is exactly what I do except for I plan ahead. If I know I'm gonna want/need a new Mac in the coming months I start saving.
Many more people than do - most I would guess, and yes, I know, not all - could do more to pay themselves in the future too.
You can start anywhere: Get a glass of free water with your burger instead of a soda. Put that in a jar. Get a lower priced entree next time you eat out or skep dessert. Cook something simple and nutrituous instead of eating out in the first place. Get a newspaper every other day, your next tee shirt at a thrift shop. Cut cable services you don't need. Etc. Etc. Etc. All in the jar, and from jar to bank.
Your future self will thank your past self for any modicum of restraint.
The recession has shown people can do this. After the market crashed, the US savings rate went from negative to something like 5-10%. In countries like China, the savings rate is more like 20-30%.
Americans have been too long afflicted with buy it, get it, have it now, charge it or borrow, and for not only buying Macs, we'd be well-advised to look at those looking back at us from our financial mirrors.
so you think that shopper who seek for price is stupid? what is it? this time, economy is big matter. everybody tries to save money no matter what. as a matter of fact, not all PC is cheaper or ugly, less specs. I have used mac and PC for more than 15 years. I know what I can get advantage from each. yeah, mac is still better computer. but it's not affordable for most people. if it is, why mac is only shared less than 9% in US or 4% in world market? here in US, $1000 sound cheaper. but when you go to other countries, $1000 is a lot of money for most people. plus, demand is still way lower than PC because windows OS is used in most big companies and government, most people for work. of course, you can run windows on mac. but that's only option. they want entire windows machines, not half booting mac piece of shit. by the way, I have Sony Vaio FW which I recently bought for work. it's very nice, attractive, reliable machine. you said adobe preview? well, that's the first time it comes free with mac. that's maybe adobe reader. Apple is not bundled major software if it is not made by Apple like iLife. so your information is wrong. my mac didn't come with preview. I don't know why you call it preview. plus, did I spend more money because I got PC? NO. actually you will spend more money for software if you are not depend on Apple software. there are few Apple software more than $300. if you need it, you should buy. also microsoft office you should buy if you need (photoshop, apeture, CAD, ans od on). unfortunately, overall cost after buying mac is way more than PC. just take a look at people who bought mac. they go to apple store or other electronic malls to buy more accessaries than PC users. actually they are willing to pay for. so which side more spending money, huh? I don't know where did you pick that wrong information up?
I was a PC user since 1991 until my conversion to Apple in January 2009. The reasons for my conversion was that the PC manufacturer from whom I bought hardware steadily went down hill in quality of product, and the most popular PC OS deteriorated with each new version.
I'm a senior citizen who has owned 4 computer systems sold by the same manufacture. I liked having a floppy drive because I had lots of files stored on floppies since before the turn of the century. The last PC was delivered with a faulty floppy drive, the 2nd one was manufactured by the same Chinese company but did not fit in the CPU, the 3rd one worked. Then within the warranty year the two speakers and the monitor failed. The last straw was that the CPU could not be turned on...the switch did not work or the HD was corrupted.
I now have a mini Mac, and so far I'm happy with its operation. I have no need to lug around a laptop.
I am not surprised at the success of Apple, and not surprised that PCs are cheaper, not less expensive. My last PC was a cheap imitation of my previous well made PCs.
Why didn't you use one of the free alternatives on Windows, such as OpenOffice? I would have saved you a trip back to your hotel...
Because I am not allowed to load anything on my corporate PC. This is the first company I've ever worked at where I don't have admin rights to my own computer.
Besides, our network here is so slow, the download would have taken longer than the trip to the hotel (3 minutes each way).
ah the price for osx. It's no wonder they are posting profits seeing as how they are making a killing off their inflated pricing.
But that's my opinion. I'll take a laptop with equal or better hardware specs running vista or xp for much less any day.
I'm confused. Opinions will vary and lead to various choices. I vastly prefer OSX and other Apple products but I still own a PC running XP. I also have XP installed on my MacBook Pro so I can boot it up when I want to (not very often, but it is there). I run across news about Microsoft because it permeates tech news. But I don't seek it out on sites that focus on it. I would consider that a waste of my time.
Is there any reason besides knee-jerk trolling to seek out people with whom you disagree in order to disagree yet again? If it were some fleeting phenomenon (Apple), then I could see raising an alarm that it is just a fad. But Apple has been a significant player for over 30 years, OSX for almost 10 years and it is a continuation of nextStep which goes back to the 80's. Amusingly people have been predicting the demise of Apple for essentially as long as it has existed.
You don't want to buy an Apple product. Fine, we get it. But isn't it a waste of time to post that on a site devoted to following news about Apple products?
Also, your sentence is nonsense. If a company has inflated pricing in the real world it doesn't post record profits. Inflated prices cause unsold inventory to soar so parts are purchased but systems are not sold leading to losses rather than profits.
Not everyone has the luxury of waiting until they can afford one. However at the same time, this is exactly what I do except for I plan ahead. If I know I'm gonna want/need a new Mac in the coming months I start saving.
It also goes along with the fact that Mac users keep their computers for longer than people with Windows machines.
People would have nicer things if they just kept them for longer.
Anyone can afford a Mac. Hasn't anyone heard of the technique of saving up for what you want? If you can't afford it now, save till you can. Or buy refurbish at the Apple online store.
Word. It's like a Porsche. The machines must perform, so what with the so called "premium" over Windows counterparts. We do get what we pay for.
Probably would have been smarter to omit the bolded paragraph entirely. Instead of making your point stronger, you just diverted attention from it, since many things on that list make no sense for various reasons.
Not sure where the bold came from....but thanks you self-satisfied prig!
most people for work. of course, you can run windows on mac. but that's only option. they want entire windows machines, not half booting mac piece of shit.
First of all you are wrong on this. The a Mac is just as much of a full computer that will run Windows (or Linux if you want through use of Parallel or VMware) as a Window's PC is. Yes you will have to buy a copy of that other OS but you would have to do that if you had a Windows box and wanted to run another OS unless it was a free distro. Granted you may not get all the bloat ware on a Mac cramed onto your hard drive as a Windows box, but most people remove that crap anyway.
you said adobe preview? well, that's the first time it comes free with mac. that's maybe adobe reader. Apple is not bundled major software if it is not made by Apple like iLife. so your information is wrong. my mac didn't come with preview. I don't know why you call it preview. plus, did I spend more money because I got PC? NO. actually you will spend more money for software if you are not depend on Apple software. there are few Apple software more than $300. if you need it, you should buy. also Microsoft office you should buy if you need (photoshop, apeture, CAD, ans od on). unfortunately, overall cost after buying mac is way more than PC.
You are totally misinformed, and I suspect you have never really owned a Mac. At least not any recent ones. Preview is Apple's OS X's built in file viewer which will read PDF files as well as various graphics files. Preview allows for marking up the document and saving it as a PDF as previously mentioned. Adobe Acrobat viewer does not allow to markup documents and save. You have to have the full version of Adobe Acrobat to do that. Apple at least provides you with fully workable and very imaginative software to do a lot of what many people need or require. If you need additonal software yes you can buy it and there is a lot of very reasonably priced (or free) software out there other than graphics software from Adobe or even Microsoft Office compatible suites. Most crapware on PC's is half baked. I know this from experience of having owned PC's in the past and having worked for HP. I will say at least HP provided half way decent software for graphics and video on their machines which they licensed from 3rd party software companies.
I don't know where did you pick that wrong information up?
Suggest you re-read someone's response first before spouting off on something that you may not be totally informed about, to understand what they are saying and then have your rebutal facts straight.
so you think that shopper who seek for price is stupid? what is it? this time, economy is big matter. everybody tries to save money no matter what.
If you cannot afford an Apple computer, you are not necessarily stuipd, but you are poor.
The sad thing about poverty is that poor people have to settle for lousy, low-quality products.
Preview has come on every Mac since OS X came out. Where do you get your wrong information?
Let's talk about value: I bought a Mac mini in March that came with iLife '09 already installed. I made a 12-minute video with iMovie '09, iPhoto '09 and iTunes for a family event that brought people to tears and made them laugh. It would have cost thousands of dollars to give a pro all those photos and video tapes and had them do it. It was very simple and straightforward to do that (the Indiana Jones map thing amazed everyone).
As far as I'm concerned, my Mac mini has paid for itself.
Absolutely, Somehow the majority of Americans base "value" solely on price. E.g., a $16 blender from Walmart (lasts about a year) is a better value than a $60 Braun blender designed to last 7 years.... Think-McDonald's....
Oh, I dunno. I've had some McDonald's I was afraid would last for seven years!
Not sure where the bold came from....but thanks you self-satisfied prig!
I bolded it so I could point it out. Just suggesting a better way to make your point, jerk. You muddied the waters of what should be a clear argument by bringing in all sorts of inferior examples.
thinking of buying a Mac, so i've been looking at it
If you look at the hardware Apple essentially makes 2 types of computers. laptops and Mac Pro's. Minis and imacs all use laptop parts with the larger imacs having desktop hard drives. laptop parts always cost more. and it's why it's a lot easier to install OS X on a dell laptop than a desktop.
to compare prices the closest thing is a Dell Studio hybrid and it costs $1104 when compared to a 20" iMac. With the Apple you get some more software, it has bluetooth and DDR 3 even though its completely useless in an iMac. if you need support you just take the whole thing to an Apple store to make troubleshooting easier. if you call dell support, you're in script hell with someone who barely speaks english.
you can get a more powerful machine from Dell or build your own, but it's going to come at the expense of space and support.
and price has little to do with quality. i've bought clothes at wal mart that outlast crap i've bought from banana republic that costs 4 times as much. i've also bought $300 Mephisto shoes that fell apart in 6 months. $150 Ecco's seem to outlast $300 Mephistos. a lot of the so called premium stuff is just advertising.
As first reported at Betanews, the latest sales figures from NPD Market Research show Apple with the lion's share of premium computer sales, and the Mac maker's commanding share only continues to grow. In May, Mac sales made up 88 percent of computers priced four figures.
The average computer sells for $701, but separating Windows PCs from Macs shows a huge disparity. While the average Windows machine in June sold for $515, the average Apple machine came in at $1,400.
This comparison is grossly misleading as I suspect relevant data is missing. As one poster said previously, I question what data is used here. What PC vendors? Did this research include retail stores (which ones), online stores (which ones), or both, and to what extent? Were retailers that cater mainly towards gaming PCs included, since that is a large segment of PC sales? What about the large percentage of PC users who built computers- did NPD factor in parts purchases for computer builds from popular online retailers like Newegg and TigerDirect? And when they say that Mac's comprise 88% of 4-figure "computer" purchases, does that entail desktops or laptops? Or Both? For laptops/notebooks I am inclined to think that Apple does indeed have the majority percentage of the $1000+ market (in fact, I think that's a no-brainer), but for desktops that claim is dicey. So many questions and yet people are so quick to jump and say Mac's are trouncing the 4-figure PC market...
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Apple sells only three products below $1,000: the 13-inch MacBook, and both versions of the Mac mini.
I guess you could consider the $999 Macbook "below $1000," if only for Apple to pat itself on the back and say that they have 3 versions of Mac machines under $1000... but by the time you get done with applicable taxes and desirable upgrades, Apple really has only have 1 Mac product that can truly be had for under $1000, the Mac Mini.
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Yes the iMac with bluetooth keyboard and mouse can be a pretty clean install - but then you might add a printer - a DSl or cable modem - even if you wireless network - there is still more to the story than just the power cord.
In my case i have 4 Macs and 1 PC with 4 printers, 2 scanners, two external monitors attached to notebooks, Airport Extreme router with external hard drive, Airport Express upstairs, wireless trackball on one notebook, wired on the other, about 15 other USB devices including iPhone, iPod, joystick and other gaming devices, Zip drive, external backup hard drives on two of the notebooks, etc, plus a secondary switch on the network with cable runs upstairs and to a workbench where I have an extra keyboard monitor mouse setup for working on computers for friends and family. So while I have 4 of 5 computers as Macs I have lots of cable clutter.
I did setup an iMac for a friend as his only computer but he does have a printer and a headset and a wired keyboard and mouse and ethernet running to a cable modem so a few wires.
It would be nice if more Apple notebooks had docking stations - my Thinkpad docking station is very convenient and moves all the clutter to the back of the machine instead of sticking out the sides.
Yep, I see your point. I do have an iphone that I forgot to mention. I have a wireless printer connected to an Apple Router located on a shelf in my office. My next step is to purchase a Time Capsule which will eliminate the need for a External HD, pwr brick and USB/FW cable. It would be great if Apple would design a Time Capsule with a cable modem included. that would be another pwr brick and cable eliminated...but it will never happen with all the cable variations.
Many times I have run power cables/and internet cables through the walls and into a closet so I can put all the superfluous "stuff" in there. That way I don't have to look at cable modems, routers, ext. HD's and ugly designed printers.
The iMac all in one goes a long way in minimizing the clutter.
If, on the other hand, the $500 market is mostly first-time buyers, that's not Apple's problem. It may turn out to be an opportunity for Apple down the road when some of those people are dissatisfied by TCO and look for a better, less stressful deal next time.
When your strength is only how cheap you are, people realize that your quality is cheap too.
Nobody in their right mind buy cheap these days. Quality sells, and Macbooks stand for Quality!
Thanks Microsoft. Any other trick?
Why didn't you use one of the free alternatives on Windows, such as OpenOffice? I would have saved you a trip back to your hotel...
Probably because OpenOffice is still kludgy and awful to use. I tried to use it a year ago and that was a pain. The Mac is just simpler and pain free in most respects.
One thing I take for granted in Leopard is the spell checker throughout the system and the dictionary. Those are two great resource for a bad speller like myself.
Absolutely, Somehow the majority of Americans base "value" solely on price. E.g., a $16 blender from Walmart (lasts about a year) is a better value than a $60 Braun blender designed to last 7 years.
The business model is, "make a crap product," sell it cheaply, advertise the hell out of it, make a quick buck and fill up the landfills. Think-McDonalds, Coke, Cereal companies, American Beer companies, GM, Microsoft, Dell, HP, Cold Play, the list goes on and on.
Thank goodness for Apple, Toyota and Honda
Probably would have been smarter to omit the bolded paragraph entirely. Instead of making your point stronger, you just diverted attention from it, since many things on that list make no sense for various reasons.
Not everyone has the luxury of waiting until they can afford one. However at the same time, this is exactly what I do except for I plan ahead. If I know I'm gonna want/need a new Mac in the coming months I start saving.
Many more people than do - most I would guess, and yes, I know, not all - could do more to pay themselves in the future too.
You can start anywhere: Get a glass of free water with your burger instead of a soda. Put that in a jar. Get a lower priced entree next time you eat out or skep dessert. Cook something simple and nutrituous instead of eating out in the first place. Get a newspaper every other day, your next tee shirt at a thrift shop. Cut cable services you don't need. Etc. Etc. Etc. All in the jar, and from jar to bank.
Your future self will thank your past self for any modicum of restraint.
The recession has shown people can do this. After the market crashed, the US savings rate went from negative to something like 5-10%. In countries like China, the savings rate is more like 20-30%.
Americans have been too long afflicted with buy it, get it, have it now, charge it or borrow, and for not only buying Macs, we'd be well-advised to look at those looking back at us from our financial mirrors.
so you think that shopper who seek for price is stupid? what is it? this time, economy is big matter. everybody tries to save money no matter what. as a matter of fact, not all PC is cheaper or ugly, less specs. I have used mac and PC for more than 15 years. I know what I can get advantage from each. yeah, mac is still better computer. but it's not affordable for most people. if it is, why mac is only shared less than 9% in US or 4% in world market? here in US, $1000 sound cheaper. but when you go to other countries, $1000 is a lot of money for most people. plus, demand is still way lower than PC because windows OS is used in most big companies and government, most people for work. of course, you can run windows on mac. but that's only option. they want entire windows machines, not half booting mac piece of shit. by the way, I have Sony Vaio FW which I recently bought for work. it's very nice, attractive, reliable machine. you said adobe preview? well, that's the first time it comes free with mac. that's maybe adobe reader. Apple is not bundled major software if it is not made by Apple like iLife. so your information is wrong. my mac didn't come with preview. I don't know why you call it preview. plus, did I spend more money because I got PC? NO. actually you will spend more money for software if you are not depend on Apple software. there are few Apple software more than $300. if you need it, you should buy. also microsoft office you should buy if you need (photoshop, apeture, CAD, ans od on). unfortunately, overall cost after buying mac is way more than PC. just take a look at people who bought mac. they go to apple store or other electronic malls to buy more accessaries than PC users. actually they are willing to pay for. so which side more spending money, huh? I don't know where did you pick that wrong information up?
Whew! That was hilarious! Do you do standup?
I'm a senior citizen who has owned 4 computer systems sold by the same manufacture. I liked having a floppy drive because I had lots of files stored on floppies since before the turn of the century. The last PC was delivered with a faulty floppy drive, the 2nd one was manufactured by the same Chinese company but did not fit in the CPU, the 3rd one worked. Then within the warranty year the two speakers and the monitor failed. The last straw was that the CPU could not be turned on...the switch did not work or the HD was corrupted.
I now have a mini Mac, and so far I'm happy with its operation. I have no need to lug around a laptop.
I am not surprised at the success of Apple, and not surprised that PCs are cheaper, not less expensive. My last PC was a cheap imitation of my previous well made PCs.
Why didn't you use one of the free alternatives on Windows, such as OpenOffice? I would have saved you a trip back to your hotel...
Because I am not allowed to load anything on my corporate PC. This is the first company I've ever worked at where I don't have admin rights to my own computer.
Besides, our network here is so slow, the download would have taken longer than the trip to the hotel (3 minutes each way).
ah the price for osx. It's no wonder they are posting profits seeing as how they are making a killing off their inflated pricing.
But that's my opinion. I'll take a laptop with equal or better hardware specs running vista or xp for much less any day.
I'm confused. Opinions will vary and lead to various choices. I vastly prefer OSX and other Apple products but I still own a PC running XP. I also have XP installed on my MacBook Pro so I can boot it up when I want to (not very often, but it is there). I run across news about Microsoft because it permeates tech news. But I don't seek it out on sites that focus on it. I would consider that a waste of my time.
Is there any reason besides knee-jerk trolling to seek out people with whom you disagree in order to disagree yet again? If it were some fleeting phenomenon (Apple), then I could see raising an alarm that it is just a fad. But Apple has been a significant player for over 30 years, OSX for almost 10 years and it is a continuation of nextStep which goes back to the 80's. Amusingly people have been predicting the demise of Apple for essentially as long as it has existed.
You don't want to buy an Apple product. Fine, we get it. But isn't it a waste of time to post that on a site devoted to following news about Apple products?
Also, your sentence is nonsense. If a company has inflated pricing in the real world it doesn't post record profits. Inflated prices cause unsold inventory to soar so parts are purchased but systems are not sold leading to losses rather than profits.
Not everyone has the luxury of waiting until they can afford one. However at the same time, this is exactly what I do except for I plan ahead. If I know I'm gonna want/need a new Mac in the coming months I start saving.
It also goes along with the fact that Mac users keep their computers for longer than people with Windows machines.
People would have nicer things if they just kept them for longer.
Anyone can afford a Mac. Hasn't anyone heard of the technique of saving up for what you want? If you can't afford it now, save till you can. Or buy refurbish at the Apple online store.
Word. It's like a Porsche. The machines must perform, so what with the so called "premium" over Windows counterparts. We do get what we pay for.
Probably would have been smarter to omit the bolded paragraph entirely. Instead of making your point stronger, you just diverted attention from it, since many things on that list make no sense for various reasons.
Not sure where the bold came from....but thanks you self-satisfied prig!
First of all you are wrong on this. The a Mac is just as much of a full computer that will run Windows (or Linux if you want through use of Parallel or VMware) as a Window's PC is. Yes you will have to buy a copy of that other OS but you would have to do that if you had a Windows box and wanted to run another OS unless it was a free distro. Granted you may not get all the bloat ware on a Mac cramed onto your hard drive as a Windows box, but most people remove that crap anyway.
you said adobe preview? well, that's the first time it comes free with mac. that's maybe adobe reader. Apple is not bundled major software if it is not made by Apple like iLife. so your information is wrong. my mac didn't come with preview. I don't know why you call it preview. plus, did I spend more money because I got PC? NO. actually you will spend more money for software if you are not depend on Apple software. there are few Apple software more than $300. if you need it, you should buy. also Microsoft office you should buy if you need (photoshop, apeture, CAD, ans od on). unfortunately, overall cost after buying mac is way more than PC.
You are totally misinformed, and I suspect you have never really owned a Mac. At least not any recent ones. Preview is Apple's OS X's built in file viewer which will read PDF files as well as various graphics files. Preview allows for marking up the document and saving it as a PDF as previously mentioned. Adobe Acrobat viewer does not allow to markup documents and save. You have to have the full version of Adobe Acrobat to do that. Apple at least provides you with fully workable and very imaginative software to do a lot of what many people need or require. If you need additonal software yes you can buy it and there is a lot of very reasonably priced (or free) software out there other than graphics software from Adobe or even Microsoft Office compatible suites. Most crapware on PC's is half baked. I know this from experience of having owned PC's in the past and having worked for HP. I will say at least HP provided half way decent software for graphics and video on their machines which they licensed from 3rd party software companies.
I don't know where did you pick that wrong information up?
Suggest you re-read someone's response first before spouting off on something that you may not be totally informed about, to understand what they are saying and then have your rebutal facts straight.
GMS
so you think that shopper who seek for price is stupid? what is it? this time, economy is big matter. everybody tries to save money no matter what.
If you cannot afford an Apple computer, you are not necessarily stuipd, but you are poor.
The sad thing about poverty is that poor people have to settle for lousy, low-quality products.
Preview has come on every Mac since OS X came out. Where do you get your wrong information?
Let's talk about value: I bought a Mac mini in March that came with iLife '09 already installed. I made a 12-minute video with iMovie '09, iPhoto '09 and iTunes for a family event that brought people to tears and made them laugh. It would have cost thousands of dollars to give a pro all those photos and video tapes and had them do it. It was very simple and straightforward to do that (the Indiana Jones map thing amazed everyone).
As far as I'm concerned, my Mac mini has paid for itself.
Apple should thank Microsoft for the free ad of cheap useless PCs vs Macbooks.
When your strength is only how cheap you are, people realize that your quality is cheap too.
Nobody in their right mind buy cheap these days. Quality sells, and Macbooks stand for Quality!
Thanks Microsoft. Any other trick?
We get the royal treatment (Mac) without the royal pain in the a$$ (PC).
Absolutely, Somehow the majority of Americans base "value" solely on price. E.g., a $16 blender from Walmart (lasts about a year) is a better value than a $60 Braun blender designed to last 7 years.... Think-McDonald's....
Oh, I dunno. I've had some McDonald's I was afraid would last for seven years!
Not sure where the bold came from....but thanks you self-satisfied prig!
I bolded it so I could point it out. Just suggesting a better way to make your point, jerk. You muddied the waters of what should be a clear argument by bringing in all sorts of inferior examples.
If you look at the hardware Apple essentially makes 2 types of computers. laptops and Mac Pro's. Minis and imacs all use laptop parts with the larger imacs having desktop hard drives. laptop parts always cost more. and it's why it's a lot easier to install OS X on a dell laptop than a desktop.
to compare prices the closest thing is a Dell Studio hybrid and it costs $1104 when compared to a 20" iMac. With the Apple you get some more software, it has bluetooth and DDR 3 even though its completely useless in an iMac. if you need support you just take the whole thing to an Apple store to make troubleshooting easier. if you call dell support, you're in script hell with someone who barely speaks english.
you can get a more powerful machine from Dell or build your own, but it's going to come at the expense of space and support.
and price has little to do with quality. i've bought clothes at wal mart that outlast crap i've bought from banana republic that costs 4 times as much. i've also bought $300 Mephisto shoes that fell apart in 6 months. $150 Ecco's seem to outlast $300 Mephistos. a lot of the so called premium stuff is just advertising.
As first reported at Betanews, the latest sales figures from NPD Market Research show Apple with the lion's share of premium computer sales, and the Mac maker's commanding share only continues to grow. In May, Mac sales made up 88 percent of computers priced four figures.
The average computer sells for $701, but separating Windows PCs from Macs shows a huge disparity. While the average Windows machine in June sold for $515, the average Apple machine came in at $1,400.
This comparison is grossly misleading as I suspect relevant data is missing. As one poster said previously, I question what data is used here. What PC vendors? Did this research include retail stores (which ones), online stores (which ones), or both, and to what extent? Were retailers that cater mainly towards gaming PCs included, since that is a large segment of PC sales? What about the large percentage of PC users who built computers- did NPD factor in parts purchases for computer builds from popular online retailers like Newegg and TigerDirect? And when they say that Mac's comprise 88% of 4-figure "computer" purchases, does that entail desktops or laptops? Or Both? For laptops/notebooks I am inclined to think that Apple does indeed have the majority percentage of the $1000+ market (in fact, I think that's a no-brainer), but for desktops that claim is dicey. So many questions and yet people are so quick to jump and say Mac's are trouncing the 4-figure PC market...
Apple sells only three products below $1,000: the 13-inch MacBook, and both versions of the Mac mini.
I guess you could consider the $999 Macbook "below $1000," if only for Apple to pat itself on the back and say that they have 3 versions of Mac machines under $1000... but by the time you get done with applicable taxes and desirable upgrades, Apple really has only have 1 Mac product that can truly be had for under $1000, the Mac Mini.