The other thread is being hijacked, speak your mind here. The best way to start a flamewar is to make it sound as innocent as possible from the outset...
Where do you stand, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?
groverat == Pro-Choice
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<strong>The other thread is being hijacked ... </strong><hr></blockquote>
Mea culpa.
[quote]<strong>Where do you stand, Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Pro-life.
humans are irresponsible selfish creatures...
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<strong>Pro choice, not saying it's the right choice but it should be a choice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
For some maybe...it started that way. Only the first trimester...Now it is partial-birth abortions. Sorry, it just has to stop.
But it's not really my place, I feel.
What I'd LIKE to happen would be a shift in the culture, regarding responsibility, morality, etc. that would make questions like these irrelevent.
But seeing how that's never going to happen...
I suppose if I was a young woman, with no partner, no money, etc. and found myself pregnant, I'd probably see the situation quite a bit differently.
I don't like the idea of it, that's for sure. But everyone has their life and everything's a situation.
I do my best to live in a way (through precaution, responsibility, careful consideration, planning, keeping my head, not engaging in foolish, dangerous behavior, etc.) that I hope I'm never in a situation where I truly have to step up and have a real-life opinion on it where it counts.
Not to say I don't have a good time...but I take having fun seriously.
<strong>Pro choice, not saying it's the right choice but it should be a choice.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. I think abortion is wrong, that it is killing, that it shouldn't be done, but I will always vote pro-choice. This is a moral issue, not a political one.
[edit: just wanted to say that I'll "always" vote pro-choice if the pro-choice candidate is good on other policies as well, it's just a factor in making the decision that sometimes has to be weighed against other factors]
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: nonhuman ]</p>
<strong>Pro-choice. People need to stop arguing over the morality issues, and start concentrating on educating people so it's an issue that has to be dealt with less often.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, but if you attack the source of the problem and not the symptoms you won't get results as quickly which will look bad politically. And, as if that weren't enough you would not longer have a problem to dedicate yourself to solving, nor would you have a moral issue to throw yourself behind, both of which would look even worse politically.
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Yes, but if you attack the source of the problem and not the symptoms you won't get results as quickly which will look bad politically. And, as if that weren't enough you would not longer have a problem to dedicate yourself to solving, nor would you have a moral issue to throw yourself behind, both of which would look even worse politically.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So true, nonhuman. Many politicians, activists and religious leaders would be out of a job. Sometimes, you seem... well... almost human!
<strong>Pro-choice. People need to stop arguing over the morality issues, and start concentrating on educating people so it's an issue that has to be dealt with less often.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well said, Belle!
I'm not going to label myself in any way. I don't believe that abortion is right in any way, but it shouldn't be illegal, either. If you were to get into a situation which involved even considering abortion, you should direct your concentration to getting the economical and emotional support which gave you the idea in the first place.
I honestly can't understand the stance people take when they say, "I think it is wrong, and it is killing a baby, but it should still be a choice." I can understand people who say, "A fetus is not a life. It is not a person, therefore there is no problem in removing it," even if I disagree with them, but intentionally giving a woman power to take a defenseless life is an idea that absolutely boggles my mind. Sure you're legislating morality if you were to outlaw abortion, but laws against thievery and murder also legislate morality....
...otherwise I have to say I don't pity most teenage girls and others who get themselves pregnant because they were careless. People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions, and I can think of none greater than caring for your own child (even if it means finding another home for that child via adoption).
You want to be an adult, act like one when things get tough, not just when it's convenient for you. So many children are eliminated simply because their parent(s) don't want to "deal with the hassle" of a child. Tough shit. Should've thought about that when you were in the sack.
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: Moogs ? ]</p>
Education. Responsibility. Thinking. Planning.
And yes, I do think morality and one's sense of ethics, right or wrong, etc. DOES enter in to it. Or it should anyway.
It's a long, long way from chastity to porn actor...and those steps are taken by choices and actions we alone make for ourselves.
Like Moogs said, you want to act like an adult and do "adult" things, then ACT like an responsible adult when things get tough or don't go as planned.
That includes lots of things, but especially when it comes to sex and procreation. That's serious business and should only be handled by people with proper skills and training, who can do it right.
But as usual, the irresponsible dumbasses and the "I can do whatever I want as long as it feels good and I ain't hurtin' nobody!" among us go and mess it up for everyone. There are WAY too many people out there who can't even take care of THEMSELVES or get their own act together, yet, oddly, those seem to be the ones most likely to be engaging in activities they probably shouldn't to begin with! Then, on top of that, they use the ever-reliable "don't worry, baby...I promise I'll pull out..." method of birth control.
Two things result:
- abortion
- another unwanted, unplanned child brought into the world.
You oughtta have to have a license to screw.
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
<strong>...otherwise I have to say I don't pity most teenage girls and others who get themselves pregnant because they were careless.</strong><hr></blockquote>I've seen some of these studies lately that the majority of "teen pregnancies" are really where the mother is a young girl, but the father is an older man. If it's a 15-year old girl and a 25-year old man, does that change your view at all?
Hmmm, an idea: Maybe they could artificially implant the child into the father.
<strong> You oughtta have to have a license to screw.
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Not only that, but America's gene pool needs a chlorine treatment too.
Haha...
[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>