netbooks? to have office open up in 10 mins? and oh those lovely ant screens.
These dumb kids are going to need thick glassed by the age of 19...
I got me my beloved 12" pbook a couple of months ago for around £250 of ebay and it beats every netbook in every perspective except size where it doesn't fall short there either... and how couldn't it, it's the best laptop, to me, ever built.
Netbooks are a crappy fad that will fade and we ll go back to dekstop, thin and light lappies and various pods, iphones and the apple table then onwards, and ebook readers...
I see your 12" Powerbook and raise you an Acer 1410T (the Euro model is the 1810T).
11.6 inch widescreen (1366x768 res), 1.4ghz Core Solo, 250GB HD, 2GB DDR2, Webcam, Multitouch Trackpad, Full-size Keyboard, 802.11n, Gigabit Ethernet, HDMI, 8+ hour battery (US model has 6 hours). 3.08lbs and only $405 US with Bing double cashback.
Acer/Gateway has several netbooks with 11.6 inch screens and they are pretty much the best little machines around for the price.
You're confusing cheap and affordable. Cheap is something Apple doesn't have any interest in. Affordable, on the other hand, is what the Mini is, especially considering it's bundled with a decent software package. By the time you properly set up a "cheap" PC, you'll have spent as much as, if not more, than for the Mini. Cheap isn't as cheap as you might think.
I'm not confusing anything. The point is that Apple doesn't do cheap. None of Apple's products are cheap. Some might be considered affordable.
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Also, I do think that Apple could do a very capable netbook, as in a device well-suited to surfing the net, for about $400. Make what amounts to an iPod Touch with a 6" screen and you're there.
Yes. With a 6" screen a $400 price point is possible. It would also not be cheap.
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A netbook patterned after the competition's netbook form factor would, as you correctly note, come in at around $799 and I would think there is no market for such a device. Hence, Apple bringing such a contraption to market is about the least likeliest scenario imaginable.
A 10" tablet of any kind made by apple would likely be around $800 IMHO. I do think a 10" slate tablet to be unwieldy and frankly not as good a product as a 6" large iPod. At 10" I would want a keyboard.
Because word or oo was horrid with a 1.6 pentium m in other lappie, and the atom is far worse. I mean you can deal with it...but that's about it. If your 500 mhz is an apple that's different. Also these are very underclocked for netboork battery work. Of coure multitasking is out of the question. Most of the netbook also slow down with crap hdd and even worse ssd's I know I have an asus, and boy is it slow, like waiting on a bus almost to do a basic task..the "security cneter" in windoze doesnt help much either.
No, it's a Windows computer. Are you ADD or something? Do you lack the patience to give a program ten seconds to launch?
I think the problem is may well be hard drive speed, not CPU speed.
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I phone is great because you dont do office work on it, plus it lacks the keyboard so you can bring as close to your eyes as you want
Yes, and focusing on something so close for a good length of time never causes problems or accumulates to something worse.
Some people need a crappy little device as a disposable extension of a regular full featured laptop or desktop.
Using a netbook as one's only computer, under the delusion that emailing, web surfing and saving a text file every now and then is the only thing a computer is good for, is terribly misleading.
How odd that I can run OSX on my wife's netbook along with iLife (some screen are cramped though) and other usual stuff as well as do some light development on the Windows side.
Speedy? No, but not useless either. The Atom is roughly equivalent to a PIII. There's still a good number of folks out there with PIII-M based laptops as their primary machine.
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Once these people realize that they want to organize and edit their photo's, torrent, run office software, run itunes and update their iPods, rip songs off of cds and so on and so on. They are going to be looking to get another computer and pay more with the combined amount of two computers (and two anti-malware for Windows) than if they just bought one good computer to begin with.
You can do all of those on a netbook. That's about all you can do on a netbook but they can do those things and frankly, that's what I use a netbook for on trips: iTunes and photos.
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Well perhaps for your "mom" a old and tired PC with a bloat laden operating system like Vista is good enough, but for someone who raised me from birth and dealt with all that deserves something a heck of a lot better. Less headaches for you and more happiness for her, unless you want it otherwise. I'm of the mindset that I rather not want to be "fixing" all my friends and families computers and being blamed for Windows inferiority and issues.
Vista was not as horrible as some folks made it out to be and Windows 7 is a lot better.
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Processing power is going to be shifted away from on the computer itself to another location.
Which leads to a better user experience with a netbook...
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People will have a device or devices that are simply input/command and control, basically just dumb terminals with storage and a lot more power at their disposal that can be had with normal computing as we know it. This will allow for thin, light portable devices with a lot longer battery life and drastic amounts of performance.
Maybe. Cloud computing is today's buzzword but frankly, mobile bandwidth is still an issue. It's a technology applicable for the enterprise more than the consumer.
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Want to render your ray tracing sketched out on your iTablet? Boom, it's done in seconds instead of days, weeks or months.
That's the future, the only future it can be when processors can't be made to go any faster or cooler.
Which will be...a long time from now. For now, we're seeing more and more compute cycles at our fingertips rather than less. OpenCL, more cores, faster GPUs, etc is leading to more local computing power than ever.
So if you're not interested in discussing Apple/Apple products/the Apple "lifestyle", and so on,
I might have had some intents to "discuss" Apple products. Alas, this is not possible. The board is full of people, which don't own any Apple product (except maybe Shuffle), which don't know ABCs of Apple products and which don't have any vision of Apple's strategy and philosophy. And I have nothing to say about Linux.
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and if you keep failing to understand why the rest of us are here, then why do you bother to make comments?
Because I need to make comments. And I don't bother much to understand the rest of Apple enthusiasts.
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Why are you here, exactly?
To post comments. To express my vision of Apple products. Sorry to say this, but this is the vision from expert level of knowledge as compared to the average one on this board. My comments may not be easy to read. They aren't posted to socialize.
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It's all the same to me, really, it's just that I don't see you profiting in any way from participating in these discussions, since all of your posts will be, by default, trolling.
I do not participate in discussions. I post my comments.
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What's more disturbing, is that you're a self-confessed Apple customer - you made a choice to buy, yet you find no value in it. So in other words you don't know why you are an Apple customer.
Quite true. This question isn't easy one for me. No one gave satisfactory answer so far.
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Frankly, I think you've got bigger problems than simply not understanding the general interest in Apple. I'm not sure we can help you.
I see your 12" Powerbook and raise you an Acer 1410T (the Euro model is the 1810T).
11.6 inch widescreen (1366x768 res), 1.4ghz Core Solo, 250GB HD, 2GB DDR2, Webcam, Multitouch Trackpad, Full-size Keyboard, 802.11n, Gigabit Ethernet, HDMI, 8+ hour battery (US model has 6 hours). 3.08lbs and only $405 US with Bing double cashback.
Acer/Gateway has several netbooks with 11.6 inch screens and they are pretty much the best little machines around for the price.
nice little set up you got there, good for you, esp. the battery, but
vista...good god how relieved I am for dropping this a while ago, like I blind man seen the light, actually like a blind and stupid man for using that ms trap and spending, hours, and hours and hours of useless tired time because some idiots hadn't bother to make a decent pc of software...now say I need a bigger drive I just clone my drive simple as that and replace it...no reinstalling etc. etc. etc.
worse cpu, about equal money.
better, much better screen at 12" non wide screen you can actually read a page and do some excel work without scroll scroll scroll....
And wait, apple had this almost FOUR years ago..imagine that....wow...
but the netbook guys are getting shitty little computers who cant run next to nothing for the price of a 12" powerbook that runs pretty much anything you throw at it, and I didn't expect that ttyt truth, didnt expect it at all from a g4 but I guess it was a cpu ahead of its times in so many respects, my same era pentium m at 1.6...what a joke it is....boy what a joke it is, and with vista...you can't even run the thing...had to downgrade to xp...
anyway happy times with your lappie it'd a nice little machine, just not my taste.
btw, somebody mentioned vista was not as horrible, I agree. Vista was not as horrible as horrible would let you believe, it was well beyond that, it brought horror to a whole new level, it was a train wreck from anything from aesthetics, to speed, to ui (boy this has got to be the worst most convoluted ui ever), to that ridiculous price to everything...a real mess.
I might have had some intents to "discuss" Apple products. Alas, this is not possible. The board is full of people, which don't own any Apple product (except maybe Shuffle), which don't know ABCs of Apple products and which don't have any vision of Apple's strategy and philosophy. And I have nothing to say about Linux.
Because I need to make comments. And I don't bother much to understand the rest of Apple enthusiasts.
To post comments. To express my vision of Apple products. Sorry to say this, but this is the vision from expert level of knowledge as compared to the average one on this board. My comments may not be easy to read. They aren't posted to socialize.
I do not participate in discussions. I post my comments.
Quite true. This question isn't easy one for me. No one gave satisfactory answer so far.
No, no, You can't. Get over it.
Right.
So you're not just a troll, but a confused troll.
But we're glad to have your "expert level of knowledge", which already tells me it's anything but. Maybe you can apply that "expert level of knowledge" to figuring out why you actually do what you do. I'd think that would be a priority.
If you feel a need to make comments, go right ahead. We'll feel the need to reply, too.
But we're glad to have your "expert level of knowledge", which already tells me it's anything but. Maybe you can apply that "expert level of knowledge" to figuring out why you actually do what you do. I'd think that would be a priority.
If you feel a need to make comments, go right ahead. We'll feel the need to reply, too.
Listen, it will exceed my daily quota of posts, if I defend myself in the eyes of a nickname, which has appeared on the board at the same time as mine and which is now the author of twice as many posts as mine is. I've even been trying to read your posts in the past. But they are by majority "I don't know...", "I'm with you...", "You're a troll..." So, it's not interesting. I don't bother to ignore you, but I report on your above post.
Agreed that we don't need laptops to take notes in class, it is a luxury. These days when many of the notes are online, even quizzes and tests are online. There are even classes with an online live in-class portion to them too so the instructor can gauge responses. But there are some who's handwriting (like my own) is horrible, and a computer to take notes makes it easier in class to gather the information. The computer also does not prohibit from questioning. I was one in class with a laptop all the time. I had it record the lecture as I took notes. There were many times where what a professor said didn't make sense, I would play it back or read what I typed again, then promptly asked for more clarification, or if I didn't agree (which happened often) I would raise a question in front of the class. Often it started a good conversation in the class, and some great arguments. I fully agree that when students question their professors for validity, clarification, or they found research opposing the instructor's view, every own learns and grows that much more. Computers DON'T do your thinking for you, but you can use that technology to help organize your brain so you can better question the world around you.
Notes on computers makes it easier to share notes, study for tests, and other things. We can do it all with pen and paper too, its just easier using technology for some.
Please don't attack the way I learn. I think you have some valid points, but don't attack me. If you do not believe a computer belongs in the classroom, then don't use one yourself. If you are a teacher, then don't have your students use computers either. But please, don't take me down for my choice.
I am not a secretary, but in law enforcement. Computers are a huge deal here too for said organizational processes, but the big questions of "who did it" are still left up to us humans.
No attacks intended on your own personal choice, Camroid. I merely gave my reasons I felt they were unnecessary. BTW, I'm neither a student nor a teacher (unless you gained something of value from my post as an unintended side benefit )
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netbooks? to have office open up in 10 mins? and oh those lovely ant screens.
These dumb kids are going to need thick glassed by the age of 19...
I got me my beloved 12" pbook a couple of months ago for around £250 of ebay and it beats every netbook in every perspective except size where it doesn't fall short there either... and how couldn't it, it's the best laptop, to me, ever built.
Netbooks are a crappy fad that will fade and we ll go back to dekstop, thin and light lappies and various pods, iphones and the apple table then onwards, and ebook readers...
I see your 12" Powerbook and raise you an Acer 1410T (the Euro model is the 1810T).
11.6 inch widescreen (1366x768 res), 1.4ghz Core Solo, 250GB HD, 2GB DDR2, Webcam, Multitouch Trackpad, Full-size Keyboard, 802.11n, Gigabit Ethernet, HDMI, 8+ hour battery (US model has 6 hours). 3.08lbs and only $405 US with Bing double cashback.
Acer/Gateway has several netbooks with 11.6 inch screens and they are pretty much the best little machines around for the price.
You're confusing cheap and affordable. Cheap is something Apple doesn't have any interest in. Affordable, on the other hand, is what the Mini is, especially considering it's bundled with a decent software package. By the time you properly set up a "cheap" PC, you'll have spent as much as, if not more, than for the Mini. Cheap isn't as cheap as you might think.
I'm not confusing anything. The point is that Apple doesn't do cheap. None of Apple's products are cheap. Some might be considered affordable.
Also, I do think that Apple could do a very capable netbook, as in a device well-suited to surfing the net, for about $400. Make what amounts to an iPod Touch with a 6" screen and you're there.
Yes. With a 6" screen a $400 price point is possible. It would also not be cheap.
A netbook patterned after the competition's netbook form factor would, as you correctly note, come in at around $799 and I would think there is no market for such a device. Hence, Apple bringing such a contraption to market is about the least likeliest scenario imaginable.
A 10" tablet of any kind made by apple would likely be around $800 IMHO. I do think a 10" slate tablet to be unwieldy and frankly not as good a product as a 6" large iPod. At 10" I would want a keyboard.
Because word or oo was horrid with a 1.6 pentium m in other lappie, and the atom is far worse. I mean you can deal with it...but that's about it. If your 500 mhz is an apple that's different. Also these are very underclocked for netboork battery work. Of coure multitasking is out of the question. Most of the netbook also slow down with crap hdd and even worse ssd's I know I have an asus, and boy is it slow, like waiting on a bus almost to do a basic task..the "security cneter" in windoze doesnt help much either.
No, it's a Windows computer. Are you ADD or something? Do you lack the patience to give a program ten seconds to launch?
I think the problem is may well be hard drive speed, not CPU speed.
I phone is great because you dont do office work on it, plus it lacks the keyboard so you can bring as close to your eyes as you want
Yes, and focusing on something so close for a good length of time never causes problems or accumulates to something worse.
Your exactly right, they are.
Some people need a crappy little device as a disposable extension of a regular full featured laptop or desktop.
Using a netbook as one's only computer, under the delusion that emailing, web surfing and saving a text file every now and then is the only thing a computer is good for, is terribly misleading.
How odd that I can run OSX on my wife's netbook along with iLife (some screen are cramped though) and other usual stuff as well as do some light development on the Windows side.
Speedy? No, but not useless either. The Atom is roughly equivalent to a PIII. There's still a good number of folks out there with PIII-M based laptops as their primary machine.
Once these people realize that they want to organize and edit their photo's, torrent, run office software, run itunes and update their iPods, rip songs off of cds and so on and so on. They are going to be looking to get another computer and pay more with the combined amount of two computers (and two anti-malware for Windows) than if they just bought one good computer to begin with.
You can do all of those on a netbook. That's about all you can do on a netbook but they can do those things and frankly, that's what I use a netbook for on trips: iTunes and photos.
Well perhaps for your "mom" a old and tired PC with a bloat laden operating system like Vista is good enough, but for someone who raised me from birth and dealt with all that deserves something a heck of a lot better. Less headaches for you and more happiness for her, unless you want it otherwise. I'm of the mindset that I rather not want to be "fixing" all my friends and families computers and being blamed for Windows inferiority and issues.
Vista was not as horrible as some folks made it out to be and Windows 7 is a lot better.
Processing power is going to be shifted away from on the computer itself to another location.
Which leads to a better user experience with a netbook...
People will have a device or devices that are simply input/command and control, basically just dumb terminals with storage and a lot more power at their disposal that can be had with normal computing as we know it. This will allow for thin, light portable devices with a lot longer battery life and drastic amounts of performance.
Maybe. Cloud computing is today's buzzword but frankly, mobile bandwidth is still an issue. It's a technology applicable for the enterprise more than the consumer.
Want to render your ray tracing sketched out on your iTablet? Boom, it's done in seconds instead of days, weeks or months.
That's the future, the only future it can be when processors can't be made to go any faster or cooler.
Which will be...a long time from now. For now, we're seeing more and more compute cycles at our fingertips rather than less. OpenCL, more cores, faster GPUs, etc is leading to more local computing power than ever.
So if you're not interested in discussing Apple/Apple products/the Apple "lifestyle", and so on,
I might have had some intents to "discuss" Apple products. Alas, this is not possible. The board is full of people, which don't own any Apple product (except maybe Shuffle), which don't know ABCs of Apple products and which don't have any vision of Apple's strategy and philosophy. And I have nothing to say about Linux.
and if you keep failing to understand why the rest of us are here, then why do you bother to make comments?
Because I need to make comments. And I don't bother much to understand the rest of Apple enthusiasts.
Why are you here, exactly?
To post comments. To express my vision of Apple products. Sorry to say this, but this is the vision from expert level of knowledge as compared to the average one on this board. My comments may not be easy to read. They aren't posted to socialize.
It's all the same to me, really, it's just that I don't see you profiting in any way from participating in these discussions, since all of your posts will be, by default, trolling.
I do not participate in discussions. I post my comments.
What's more disturbing, is that you're a self-confessed Apple customer - you made a choice to buy, yet you find no value in it. So in other words you don't know why you are an Apple customer.
Quite true. This question isn't easy one for me. No one gave satisfactory answer so far.
Frankly, I think you've got bigger problems than simply not understanding the general interest in Apple. I'm not sure we can help you.
No, no, You can't. Get over it.
I see your 12" Powerbook and raise you an Acer 1410T (the Euro model is the 1810T).
11.6 inch widescreen (1366x768 res), 1.4ghz Core Solo, 250GB HD, 2GB DDR2, Webcam, Multitouch Trackpad, Full-size Keyboard, 802.11n, Gigabit Ethernet, HDMI, 8+ hour battery (US model has 6 hours). 3.08lbs and only $405 US with Bing double cashback.
Acer/Gateway has several netbooks with 11.6 inch screens and they are pretty much the best little machines around for the price.
nice little set up you got there, good for you, esp. the battery, but
vista...good god how relieved I am for dropping this a while ago, like I blind man seen the light, actually like a blind and stupid man for using that ms trap and spending, hours, and hours and hours of useless tired time because some idiots hadn't bother to make a decent pc of software...now say I need a bigger drive I just clone my drive simple as that and replace it...no reinstalling etc. etc. etc.
worse cpu, about equal money.
better, much better screen at 12" non wide screen you can actually read a page and do some excel work without scroll scroll scroll....
And wait, apple had this almost FOUR years ago..imagine that....wow...
but the netbook guys are getting shitty little computers who cant run next to nothing for the price of a 12" powerbook that runs pretty much anything you throw at it, and I didn't expect that ttyt truth, didnt expect it at all from a g4 but I guess it was a cpu ahead of its times in so many respects, my same era pentium m at 1.6...what a joke it is....boy what a joke it is, and with vista...you can't even run the thing...had to downgrade to xp...
anyway happy times with your lappie it'd a nice little machine, just not my taste.
btw, somebody mentioned vista was not as horrible, I agree. Vista was not as horrible as horrible would let you believe, it was well beyond that, it brought horror to a whole new level, it was a train wreck from anything from aesthetics, to speed, to ui (boy this has got to be the worst most convoluted ui ever), to that ridiculous price to everything...a real mess.
Ok, you said what you thought. Now, it's my turn.
I might have had some intents to "discuss" Apple products. Alas, this is not possible. The board is full of people, which don't own any Apple product (except maybe Shuffle), which don't know ABCs of Apple products and which don't have any vision of Apple's strategy and philosophy. And I have nothing to say about Linux.
Because I need to make comments. And I don't bother much to understand the rest of Apple enthusiasts.
To post comments. To express my vision of Apple products. Sorry to say this, but this is the vision from expert level of knowledge as compared to the average one on this board. My comments may not be easy to read. They aren't posted to socialize.
I do not participate in discussions. I post my comments.
Quite true. This question isn't easy one for me. No one gave satisfactory answer so far.
No, no, You can't. Get over it.
Right.
So you're not just a troll, but a confused troll.
But we're glad to have your "expert level of knowledge", which already tells me it's anything but. Maybe you can apply that "expert level of knowledge" to figuring out why you actually do what you do. I'd think that would be a priority.
If you feel a need to make comments, go right ahead. We'll feel the need to reply, too.
Right.
So you're not just a troll, but a confused troll.
But we're glad to have your "expert level of knowledge", which already tells me it's anything but. Maybe you can apply that "expert level of knowledge" to figuring out why you actually do what you do. I'd think that would be a priority.
If you feel a need to make comments, go right ahead. We'll feel the need to reply, too.
Listen, it will exceed my daily quota of posts, if I defend myself in the eyes of a nickname, which has appeared on the board at the same time as mine and which is now the author of twice as many posts as mine is. I've even been trying to read your posts in the past. But they are by majority "I don't know...", "I'm with you...", "You're a troll..." So, it's not interesting. I don't bother to ignore you, but I report on your above post.
Agreed that we don't need laptops to take notes in class, it is a luxury. These days when many of the notes are online, even quizzes and tests are online. There are even classes with an online live in-class portion to them too so the instructor can gauge responses. But there are some who's handwriting (like my own) is horrible, and a computer to take notes makes it easier in class to gather the information. The computer also does not prohibit from questioning. I was one in class with a laptop all the time. I had it record the lecture as I took notes. There were many times where what a professor said didn't make sense, I would play it back or read what I typed again, then promptly asked for more clarification, or if I didn't agree (which happened often) I would raise a question in front of the class. Often it started a good conversation in the class, and some great arguments. I fully agree that when students question their professors for validity, clarification, or they found research opposing the instructor's view, every own learns and grows that much more. Computers DON'T do your thinking for you, but you can use that technology to help organize your brain so you can better question the world around you.
Notes on computers makes it easier to share notes, study for tests, and other things. We can do it all with pen and paper too, its just easier using technology for some.
Please don't attack the way I learn. I think you have some valid points, but don't attack me. If you do not believe a computer belongs in the classroom, then don't use one yourself. If you are a teacher, then don't have your students use computers either. But please, don't take me down for my choice.
I am not a secretary, but in law enforcement. Computers are a huge deal here too for said organizational processes, but the big questions of "who did it" are still left up to us humans.
No attacks intended on your own personal choice, Camroid. I merely gave my reasons I felt they were unnecessary. BTW, I'm neither a student nor a teacher (unless you gained something of value from my post as an unintended side benefit