What is really troubling, is MS' usual spin on their own products.
Interestingly enough, we discovered that most people who carry a Windows phone don?t realize it?s running Windows Mobile.
That's pretty embarrassing. Why even admit that??
And lastly, we move right along to the confusion this will cause developers.
One thing that was very clear after all these conversations about phones is that there is no ?one size fits all? in this market. On Oct. 6th, you?ll see new Windows phones designed for a variety of tastes, needs and price points ? with or without keyboards, with or without touch screens, as well as your choice of GPS, accelerometer and high resolution camera.
That's right, don't simplify.
In other words . . . same old approach, but with twice the confusion.
The proof is in the pudding. MS has no concept whatesoever of how to effectively, easily, and tastefully serve the consumer market. They've had two years to get their ish together, and they're still finding ways to justify their failure to keep up.
I'd take Apple's "walled garden" of arrogance over MS' incompetent rebranding of junk any day.
It's a classic example of folks that complain that Apple should let-go of their arrogant walled garden and open their system to the masses so that anyone can do anything with it. Windows Mobile is a perfect example of why it should not be done. Too many configurations and none of them work right. Apple is one configuration and only one and you can be sure it will work with minimal fuss.
The name "Windows" is associated with nothing but headaches for cel phone users. Microsoft needs a new name without the word "Windows" in it.
You are correct.
But Microsoft seems to hold onto the old axiom, dollar for dollar you get more bang for your buck by increasing spending on advertising than spending money on innovation.
This is usually true, but only in the short term!
Plus they are not very good at logo designs among other things!
Microsoft is proud of their Windows branding. Windows is THE OS in their eyes. They aren't going to drop the branding. But you're quite right; they need to.
The Windows brand is, in the eyes of the average consumer, a reminder of blue screens from the Win9x days, malware and viruses in XP, crashes and illegal operations, and stuffing around with drivers and taking your pc somewhere to be repaired.
Now I know this is a harsh view, if you keep your system updated and aren't an idiot Windows is quite usable.
To the consumer, a computer, a PC, IS a Windows PC, with associated (real or imagined) baggage...
People are starting to realize computers don't gave to be a pain that gets in your way. iPhone is proof of this VS complex Nokia N95 etc it's owners who can't use 30% of it's functionality.
Microsoft needs to address their branding; but all they'll come up with is "Bing Mobile Premium Edition" so really, why bother?
Why are so many Microsoft employees using Apple iPhones?
Why do I need a new mouse? I have been using a Apple mouse since 1984 and always resized my windows the first time! The problem with these DPI mice, is that they are required to use for precision in Windows. A Mac has been pixel precise, without special DPI mice for 25 years. I have used a Apple mouse, moving pixels since MacPaint and Photoshop 1.0, with no problems.
What a waste of resources you guys have to buy into. Let alone the fact that Doug E. invented the mouse and when you buy one from Microsoft, or the many off brand suppliers, he never gets a penny. That's theft from the beginning of Microsoft's avoidance of where their ability to generate profits really came from!
Apple mice might seem to be pixel precise simply because they don't move the cursor very quickly. I've never had that problem with any other mice with the same or faster settings.
As it is, my apple Mighty Mouse (mice, I guess I have two) are the most finicky and cantankerous mice I've ever used.
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The name "Windows" is associated with nothing but headaches for cel phone users. Microsoft needs a new name without the word "Windows" in it.
They need to do more than just the branding though, a new brand on the same old product has no value except for the short term confusion.
Microsoft is proud of their Windows branding. Windows is THE OS in their eyes. They aren't going to drop the branding. But you're quite right; they need to.
The Windows brand is, in the eyes of the average consumer, a reminder of blue screens from the Win9x days, malware and viruses in XP, crashes and illegal operations, and stuffing around with drivers and taking your pc somewhere to be repaired.
Now I know this is a harsh view, if you keep your system updated and aren't an idiot Windows is quite usable.
To the consumer, a computer, a PC, IS a Windows PC, with associated (real or imagined) baggage...
People are starting to realize computers don't gave to be a pain that gets in your way. iPhone is proof of this VS complex Nokia N95 etc it's owners who can't use 30% of it's functionality.
Microsoft needs to address their branding; but all they'll come up with is "Bing Mobile Premium Edition" so really, why bother?
Why are so many Microsoft employees using Apple iPhones?
Well said and I agree...having worked on my mom's PC and finding it incredibly frustrating!
I spoke too soon!! chronster joined in and doesn't seem to mind that his copied software doesn't frustrate him. He is trying to take the hell out of it-which has been my complaint all along-MS stuff is hellish! -but then some people still cook on a wood stove and have an outhouse!
"WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE ENEMY TO JUMP IN HERE AND CALL US FOOLS FOR OUR LOYALTY AND PRAISE OF APPLE!!!"
Oh, did I mention I spend 80% of my time in Windows7 trying to find the perfect edge to click on and make it possible to just simply resize a stupid window? Why couldn't they have copied that better? Doug Engelbart had that figured out in the early 1970s! Grrrr!
I'd really be embarrassed to say that, mate.
I can't think of anyone else being confused with such a simple task - and I am working in IT support role and see confused users daily. Heck, my friend's 3.5 years old daughter - and blonde! - has no problem resizing windows on their home PC
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT THE "KERMUDGIAN" MS SUPPORT TEAM HAS YET TO COME HERE AND BLAST US APPLE LOVIN', UN-FRUSTRATED TECHNO USERS?
Is that because they have to wait for a new update in Defender or IE8 or some antivirus program to load before they can get on line and complain about our enthusiasm?
In all truth, while writing this, I'm watching my Parallels WIndows screen loading all these updates and crap I have no idea about! While I'm using the Mac side, Windows is hogging my internet and memory doing stuff to make it run better than it did yesterday? And I can't use it while it does this, and I might get a virus detection screen or some other dialog box which would ask me if I wanted to fix a problem and then, after saying yes, it will say "Unable to fix problem"!! When it was their problem in the first place! Grrrrr
So you reckon all those Mac users with clicking and freezing hard drives, corrupted displays and various graphics chips problems are still un-frustrated..?
So, wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes. ...
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
That's a load of rubbish. I have used vista extensively and the updates, hotfixes, antimalware, antivirus, ie patch. no. 1738BD etc. etc. are a daily nuisance, they are obnoxious in their implementations (just say you chose no updates, then the icon of the armor goes red permanently, and you got it sticking it to you there...what a bunch of losers...if they user chooses not to update you morons he just doesn't want to update with more of your junkware, you don't have to vindictively stick a red danger icon to him...and if it's so "dangerous" to not update why are you constantly churning out fix this, security that patches, that means it's dangerous DESPITE your updates...), ultra dangerous in destabilizing the system, resource hogging in their installation and downloading, complicated and intrusive to the average user....
And what does "will not really influence your work mean", what doe this really stand for. Really as opposed to influencing in an unreal, unbelievably unreal ms type of way....give us a break, at least some of us are here are switchers so we ve been hurt enough for years on end to not be able to tolerate such blatant and obvious lies. As the kids nowadays say "vista sucks", "7 sucks -aka vista service pack 2, the ripping the dock version-", and that's the plain truth, they downright suck, they are a train wreck in terms of user interface and are surprisingly un-evolved in terms of their guts. And btw, where's grand central and open cl equivalent for windows 7? Right, didn't think so.
So you reckon all those Mac users with clicking and freezing hard drives, corrupted displays and various graphics chips problems are still un-frustrated..?
So, wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes. ...
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
Graphics chips problems, "corrupted displays" (not even sure waht that means), and freezing hard drives . . . all affected a minority of users. And all issues have been addressed. Apple gets the the attention because they set the bar for others to follow/copy poorly.
For the vast majority, Macs + OS X truly is a glass of icewater for someone in hell.
Apple doesn't get the highest customer satisfaction rates in the industry, year after year after year, for nothing. And that's across most of their product line.
Vista, on the other hand . . . well, even good old Billy G. was embarrassed by it. 5 years of "development" for something that took no time at all to bomb. And 7 isn't even released yet. But the betas were great, right? That's what all the brilliant (kiddie) Vista beta-teters told us. Then they put their brains back into their heads when it hit the shelves and everyone woke up to "smell the ashes."
As for the new Macs and Snow Leopard, the results are in. Apple has another winner. Again.
But let's get back to the other "Vista" of the tech world . . . Windows Mobile.
It's so funny how much emotion people invest into PHONES of all things!
In my experience at ppcgeeks and xda's forums, the truest of windows mobile geeks are generally geeks about everything, and appreciate the iphone for what it is. There are downsides to going with an iphone that some people find important that iphone users might not. There are advantages to having a windows mobile phone that some people find important that iphone users might not. It is literally that simple.
It's comments like yours that fuel the "sneering at Apple" and their users. For instance, everything you listed there, my phone can do as well, minus the frustration, and yet you so confidently speak of these things.
I won't lie and say that windows mobile is a perfect peach every step of the way, but I sure do enjoy the hell out of it.
There is incredible amount of pure, self-indulgent ignorance mixed with (or caused by?) weird superiority complex that freely floats around here (with all due respect for people who actually know what they are saying).
I have just purchased iPhone 3Gs for my wife and one for me. As long-term Palm users, we were looking at Pre; no specific reason but some brand loyalty. But after talking with Palm representative and learning that Palm has no short term plans about introducing Pre to New Zealand, we went iPhone way; I'm trying to keep my brand loyalties under control, you see.
Are we happy with iPhones? You bet. Great little gizmos, and even price is not bad at all. 16GB retails for NZ$1100 and 32GB is NZ$1300. I don't know what is the most expensive smartphone around here, but I did see some Nokias and BBs for NZ$1600 +.
But in my company we're using BBs and Nokia E phones as well. Smaller and no touch screen, dull look. Definitely not as inviting to use, but out of the box they were doing pretty much everything important iPhone does (no, gadgets like compass are not important for me).
Apps store is nice, but also a hype. Number of useless titles is huge, and number of almost-the-same copies of same software is also big. At the end, we failed to find equivalent to Handy Shopper - at least among free shopping list apps. There were some useful ones, but no one as complete as good old Handy Shopper.
In short, I'm sure with some good effort others others can match - and better - iPhone effort. Not an easy task, but achievable. iPhone is great, but not divine - there is space for improvement there as well. Apple does have nice head start, though...
That's a load of rubbish. I have used vista extensively and the updates, hotfixes, antimalware, antivirus, ie patch. no. 1738BD etc. etc. are a daily nuisance, they are obnoxious in their implementations (just say you chose no updates, then the icon of the armor goes red permanently, and you got it sticking it to you there...what a bunch of losers...if they user chooses not to update you morons he just doesn't want to update with more of your junkware, you don't have to vindictively stick a red danger icon to him...and if it's so "dangerous" to not update why are you constantly churning out fix this, security that patches, that means it's dangerous DESPITE your updates...), ultra dangerous in destabilizing the system, resource hogging in their installation and downloading, complicated and intrusive to the average user.... And what does "will not really influence your work mean", what doe this really stand for. Really as opposed to influencing in an unreal, unbelievably unreal ms type of way....give us a break, at least some of us are here are switchers so we ve been hurt enough for years on end to not be able to tolerate such blatant and obvious lies. As the kids nowadays say "vista sucks", "7 sucks -aka vista service pack 2, the ripping the dock version-", and that's the plain truth, they downright suck, they are a train wreck in terms of user interface and are surprisingly un-evolved in terms of their guts. And btw, where's grand central and open cl equivalent for windows 7? Right, didn't think so.
EXACTLY!! thanks some of these boys are so used to shifting their 18 wheelers, they can't relate to the quietness and beauty of a BMW!
You may want to investigate Charlie Rose's girlfriend, who was married to one of the biggest, wealthiest American gangsters in recent history, J. Steven Ross. I do love watching CR interview some great people, but I have to think twice about his involvement with this person behind the scenes.
Why do I need a new mouse? I have been using a Apple mouse since 1984 and always resized my windows the first time! The problem with these DPI mice, is that they are required to use for precision in Windows. A Mac has been pixel precise, without special DPI mice for 25 years. I have used a Apple mouse, moving pixels since MacPaint and Photoshop 1.0, with no problems.
What a waste of resources you guys have to buy into. Let alone the fact that Doug E. invented the mouse and when you buy one from Microsoft, or the many off brand suppliers, he never gets a penny. That's theft from the beginning of Microsoft's avoidance of where their ability to generate profits really came from!
Don't get me started!
If you want to keep trying to convince us it is so hard to resize window in Windows, please don't get started - it is already a bit scary
Isn't it fun to watch Microsoft blow dollar after dollar on loss makers. The same partners it depends on for WinMo are also the ones who will be shipping Android smartphones.
Note to Microsoft: WinMo still sucks! But it is fun to watch you try and fail repeatedly
You're right. We have no clue what WM7 will bring that's so great (seeing as how Ms has a hard time thinking outside of the box) and 6.5 took long enough that I might have a flying car before we see 7. It's NOT an OS for the main stream, no matter how badly HTC tries to revamp the UI. MS needs to learn this lesson.
I don't know what MS could think when they see Samsung use Symbian instead of WM on their new Omnia HD (the omnia i900 is WM.) Do they think they're doing well!?
Same with HTC migrating towards android a bit more.
You can find review of new Samsung Omnia II with Win 6.5 pre-production on GSM arena. It doesn't look bad, though I still like iPhone more.
But then again I haven't seen Omnia in real life, so I might be wrong.
Now, almost 20 years later, Microsoft seems to be trying the same strategy again. If the OS for mobile phones is "good enough" for the average person and runs on cheaper hardware available from multiple vendors, this strategy could work again.
I think a key point you are leaving out of this is Apple management at the time wasn't near as focused or on target as the current management.
Apple was quite a different company back then - they stumbled and Microsoft was able to fill the gap.
There is no gap to fill today
Multiple hardware vendors sucks. It leads to fragmentation, confusion and an overall poor user experience. Microsoft "won" on a fluke - by default.
Apple is focused on user experience - from buying your Apple device at the Apple Store, to getting support, to unboxing it, to using it.... no other company is as hyper-focused on the total end user experience - and this is why the iPhone will not be the PC wars v2.0
I'd be more impressed with both Apple and Microsoft if they'd get together and offer syncing for Windows Mobile phones with OS X. I can't afford a service contract for an iPhone, so I use Windows Mobile phone I got cheaply. It has the features I need, although poorly organized, but OS X won't sync to it like it did my earlier RAZR.
And to add insult to injury, OS X knows it's connecting to a Windows Mobile smartphone, it just turns up its nose and refuses to have a conversation.
Apple and Microsoft need to get over their schoolyard macho and make their products work together. "It just works" should apply to Windows Mobile phones.
What can MS do about that? iPhone is syncing with Outlook on my Vista PC perfectly fine. Should they threaten Apple they will drop support for iPhone unless Apple starts supporting win Mobile?
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What is really troubling, is MS' usual spin on their own products.
Interestingly enough, we discovered that most people who carry a Windows phone don?t realize it?s running Windows Mobile.
That's pretty embarrassing. Why even admit that??
And lastly, we move right along to the confusion this will cause developers.
One thing that was very clear after all these conversations about phones is that there is no ?one size fits all? in this market. On Oct. 6th, you?ll see new Windows phones designed for a variety of tastes, needs and price points ? with or without keyboards, with or without touch screens, as well as your choice of GPS, accelerometer and high resolution camera.
That's right, don't simplify.
In other words . . . same old approach, but with twice the confusion.
The proof is in the pudding. MS has no concept whatesoever of how to effectively, easily, and tastefully serve the consumer market. They've had two years to get their ish together, and they're still finding ways to justify their failure to keep up.
I'd take Apple's "walled garden" of arrogance over MS' incompetent rebranding of junk any day.
It's a classic example of folks that complain that Apple should let-go of their arrogant walled garden and open their system to the masses so that anyone can do anything with it. Windows Mobile is a perfect example of why it should not be done. Too many configurations and none of them work right. Apple is one configuration and only one and you can be sure it will work with minimal fuss.
The name "Windows" is associated with nothing but headaches for cel phone users. Microsoft needs a new name without the word "Windows" in it.
You are correct.
But Microsoft seems to hold onto the old axiom, dollar for dollar you get more bang for your buck by increasing spending on advertising than spending money on innovation.
This is usually true, but only in the short term!
Plus they are not very good at logo designs among other things!
The Windows brand is, in the eyes of the average consumer, a reminder of blue screens from the Win9x days, malware and viruses in XP, crashes and illegal operations, and stuffing around with drivers and taking your pc somewhere to be repaired.
Now I know this is a harsh view, if you keep your system updated and aren't an idiot Windows is quite usable.
To the consumer, a computer, a PC, IS a Windows PC, with associated (real or imagined) baggage...
People are starting to realize computers don't gave to be a pain that gets in your way. iPhone is proof of this VS complex Nokia N95 etc it's owners who can't use 30% of it's functionality.
Microsoft needs to address their branding; but all they'll come up with is "Bing Mobile Premium Edition" so really, why bother?
Why are so many Microsoft employees using Apple iPhones?
Why do I need a new mouse? I have been using a Apple mouse since 1984 and always resized my windows the first time! The problem with these DPI mice, is that they are required to use for precision in Windows. A Mac has been pixel precise, without special DPI mice for 25 years. I have used a Apple mouse, moving pixels since MacPaint and Photoshop 1.0, with no problems.
What a waste of resources you guys have to buy into. Let alone the fact that Doug E. invented the mouse and when you buy one from Microsoft, or the many off brand suppliers, he never gets a penny. That's theft from the beginning of Microsoft's avoidance of where their ability to generate profits really came from!
Apple mice might seem to be pixel precise simply because they don't move the cursor very quickly. I've never had that problem with any other mice with the same or faster settings.
As it is, my apple Mighty Mouse (mice, I guess I have two) are the most finicky and cantankerous mice I've ever used.
The name "Windows" is associated with nothing but headaches for cel phone users. Microsoft needs a new name without the word "Windows" in it.
They need to do more than just the branding though, a new brand on the same old product has no value except for the short term confusion.
Microsoft is proud of their Windows branding. Windows is THE OS in their eyes. They aren't going to drop the branding. But you're quite right; they need to.
The Windows brand is, in the eyes of the average consumer, a reminder of blue screens from the Win9x days, malware and viruses in XP, crashes and illegal operations, and stuffing around with drivers and taking your pc somewhere to be repaired.
Now I know this is a harsh view, if you keep your system updated and aren't an idiot Windows is quite usable.
To the consumer, a computer, a PC, IS a Windows PC, with associated (real or imagined) baggage...
People are starting to realize computers don't gave to be a pain that gets in your way. iPhone is proof of this VS complex Nokia N95 etc it's owners who can't use 30% of it's functionality.
Microsoft needs to address their branding; but all they'll come up with is "Bing Mobile Premium Edition" so really, why bother?
Why are so many Microsoft employees using Apple iPhones?
Well said and I agree...having worked on my mom's PC and finding it incredibly frustrating!
I spoke too soon!! chronster joined in and doesn't seem to mind that his copied software doesn't frustrate him. He is trying to take the hell out of it-which has been my complaint all along-MS stuff is hellish! -but then some people still cook on a wood stove and have an outhouse!
"WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE ENEMY TO JUMP IN HERE AND CALL US FOOLS FOR OUR LOYALTY AND PRAISE OF APPLE!!!"
Oh, did I mention I spend 80% of my time in Windows7 trying to find the perfect edge to click on and make it possible to just simply resize a stupid window? Why couldn't they have copied that better? Doug Engelbart had that figured out in the early 1970s! Grrrr!
I'd really be embarrassed to say that, mate.
I can't think of anyone else being confused with such a simple task - and I am working in IT support role and see confused users daily. Heck, my friend's 3.5 years old daughter - and blonde! - has no problem resizing windows on their home PC
Waka-waka!
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT THE "KERMUDGIAN" MS SUPPORT TEAM HAS YET TO COME HERE AND BLAST US APPLE LOVIN', UN-FRUSTRATED TECHNO USERS?
Is that because they have to wait for a new update in Defender or IE8 or some antivirus program to load before they can get on line and complain about our enthusiasm?
In all truth, while writing this, I'm watching my Parallels WIndows screen loading all these updates and crap I have no idea about! While I'm using the Mac side, Windows is hogging my internet and memory doing stuff to make it run better than it did yesterday? And I can't use it while it does this, and I might get a virus detection screen or some other dialog box which would ask me if I wanted to fix a problem and then, after saying yes, it will say "Unable to fix problem"!! When it was their problem in the first place! Grrrrr
So you reckon all those Mac users with clicking and freezing hard drives, corrupted displays and various graphics chips problems are still un-frustrated..?
So, wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes. ...
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
That's a load of rubbish. I have used vista extensively and the updates, hotfixes, antimalware, antivirus, ie patch. no. 1738BD etc. etc. are a daily nuisance, they are obnoxious in their implementations (just say you chose no updates, then the icon of the armor goes red permanently, and you got it sticking it to you there...what a bunch of losers...if they user chooses not to update you morons he just doesn't want to update with more of your junkware, you don't have to vindictively stick a red danger icon to him...and if it's so "dangerous" to not update why are you constantly churning out fix this, security that patches, that means it's dangerous DESPITE your updates...), ultra dangerous in destabilizing the system, resource hogging in their installation and downloading, complicated and intrusive to the average user....
And what does "will not really influence your work mean", what doe this really stand for. Really as opposed to influencing in an unreal, unbelievably unreal ms type of way....give us a break, at least some of us are here are switchers so we ve been hurt enough for years on end to not be able to tolerate such blatant and obvious lies. As the kids nowadays say "vista sucks", "7 sucks -aka vista service pack 2, the ripping the dock version-", and that's the plain truth, they downright suck, they are a train wreck in terms of user interface and are surprisingly un-evolved in terms of their guts. And btw, where's grand central and open cl equivalent for windows 7? Right, didn't think so.
So you reckon all those Mac users with clicking and freezing hard drives, corrupted displays and various graphics chips problems are still un-frustrated..?
So, wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes. ...
And in all truth, pretty much all Vista or 7 updates will happen in the background and will not really influence your work. At least all those small daily updates. If you are not making this up, then you might have a problem in there. Parallels or something.
Graphics chips problems, "corrupted displays" (not even sure waht that means), and freezing hard drives . . . all affected a minority of users. And all issues have been addressed. Apple gets the the attention because they set the bar for others to follow/copy poorly.
For the vast majority, Macs + OS X truly is a glass of icewater for someone in hell.
Apple doesn't get the highest customer satisfaction rates in the industry, year after year after year, for nothing. And that's across most of their product line.
Vista, on the other hand . . . well, even good old Billy G. was embarrassed by it. 5 years of "development" for something that took no time at all to bomb. And 7 isn't even released yet. But the betas were great, right? That's what all the brilliant (kiddie) Vista beta-teters told us. Then they put their brains back into their heads when it hit the shelves and everyone woke up to "smell the ashes."
As for the new Macs and Snow Leopard, the results are in. Apple has another winner. Again.
But let's get back to the other "Vista" of the tech world . . . Windows Mobile.
It's so funny how much emotion people invest into PHONES of all things!
In my experience at ppcgeeks and xda's forums, the truest of windows mobile geeks are generally geeks about everything, and appreciate the iphone for what it is. There are downsides to going with an iphone that some people find important that iphone users might not. There are advantages to having a windows mobile phone that some people find important that iphone users might not. It is literally that simple.
It's comments like yours that fuel the "sneering at Apple" and their users. For instance, everything you listed there, my phone can do as well, minus the frustration, and yet you so confidently speak of these things.
I won't lie and say that windows mobile is a perfect peach every step of the way, but I sure do enjoy the hell out of it.
There is incredible amount of pure, self-indulgent ignorance mixed with (or caused by?) weird superiority complex that freely floats around here (with all due respect for people who actually know what they are saying).
I have just purchased iPhone 3Gs for my wife and one for me. As long-term Palm users, we were looking at Pre; no specific reason but some brand loyalty. But after talking with Palm representative and learning that Palm has no short term plans about introducing Pre to New Zealand, we went iPhone way; I'm trying to keep my brand loyalties under control, you see.
Are we happy with iPhones? You bet. Great little gizmos, and even price is not bad at all. 16GB retails for NZ$1100 and 32GB is NZ$1300. I don't know what is the most expensive smartphone around here, but I did see some Nokias and BBs for NZ$1600 +.
But in my company we're using BBs and Nokia E phones as well. Smaller and no touch screen, dull look. Definitely not as inviting to use, but out of the box they were doing pretty much everything important iPhone does (no, gadgets like compass are not important for me).
Apps store is nice, but also a hype. Number of useless titles is huge, and number of almost-the-same copies of same software is also big. At the end, we failed to find equivalent to Handy Shopper - at least among free shopping list apps. There were some useful ones, but no one as complete as good old Handy Shopper.
In short, I'm sure with some good effort others others can match - and better - iPhone effort. Not an easy task, but achievable. iPhone is great, but not divine - there is space for improvement there as well. Apple does have nice head start, though...
That's a load of rubbish. I have used vista extensively and the updates, hotfixes, antimalware, antivirus, ie patch. no. 1738BD etc. etc. are a daily nuisance, they are obnoxious in their implementations (just say you chose no updates, then the icon of the armor goes red permanently, and you got it sticking it to you there...what a bunch of losers...if they user chooses not to update you morons he just doesn't want to update with more of your junkware, you don't have to vindictively stick a red danger icon to him...and if it's so "dangerous" to not update why are you constantly churning out fix this, security that patches, that means it's dangerous DESPITE your updates...), ultra dangerous in destabilizing the system, resource hogging in their installation and downloading, complicated and intrusive to the average user.... And what does "will not really influence your work mean", what doe this really stand for. Really as opposed to influencing in an unreal, unbelievably unreal ms type of way....give us a break, at least some of us are here are switchers so we ve been hurt enough for years on end to not be able to tolerate such blatant and obvious lies. As the kids nowadays say "vista sucks", "7 sucks -aka vista service pack 2, the ripping the dock version-", and that's the plain truth, they downright suck, they are a train wreck in terms of user interface and are surprisingly un-evolved in terms of their guts. And btw, where's grand central and open cl equivalent for windows 7? Right, didn't think so.
EXACTLY!! thanks some of these boys are so used to shifting their 18 wheelers, they can't relate to the quietness and beauty of a BMW!
Bill Gates is on Charlie Rose tonight!
You may want to investigate Charlie Rose's girlfriend, who was married to one of the biggest, wealthiest American gangsters in recent history, J. Steven Ross. I do love watching CR interview some great people, but I have to think twice about his involvement with this person behind the scenes.
Why do I need a new mouse? I have been using a Apple mouse since 1984 and always resized my windows the first time! The problem with these DPI mice, is that they are required to use for precision in Windows. A Mac has been pixel precise, without special DPI mice for 25 years. I have used a Apple mouse, moving pixels since MacPaint and Photoshop 1.0, with no problems.
What a waste of resources you guys have to buy into. Let alone the fact that Doug E. invented the mouse and when you buy one from Microsoft, or the many off brand suppliers, he never gets a penny. That's theft from the beginning of Microsoft's avoidance of where their ability to generate profits really came from!
Don't get me started!
If you want to keep trying to convince us it is so hard to resize window in Windows, please don't get started - it is already a bit scary
Note to Microsoft: WinMo still sucks! But it is fun to watch you try and fail repeatedly
You're right. We have no clue what WM7 will bring that's so great (seeing as how Ms has a hard time thinking outside of the box) and 6.5 took long enough that I might have a flying car before we see 7. It's NOT an OS for the main stream, no matter how badly HTC tries to revamp the UI. MS needs to learn this lesson.
I don't know what MS could think when they see Samsung use Symbian instead of WM on their new Omnia HD (the omnia i900 is WM.) Do they think they're doing well!?
Same with HTC migrating towards android a bit more.
You can find review of new Samsung Omnia II with Win 6.5 pre-production on GSM arena. It doesn't look bad, though I still like iPhone more.
But then again I haven't seen Omnia in real life, so I might be wrong.
Anyway: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i800...review-388.php
Not bad at all.
Now, almost 20 years later, Microsoft seems to be trying the same strategy again. If the OS for mobile phones is "good enough" for the average person and runs on cheaper hardware available from multiple vendors, this strategy could work again.
I think a key point you are leaving out of this is Apple management at the time wasn't near as focused or on target as the current management.
Apple was quite a different company back then - they stumbled and Microsoft was able to fill the gap.
There is no gap to fill today
Multiple hardware vendors sucks. It leads to fragmentation, confusion and an overall poor user experience. Microsoft "won" on a fluke - by default.
Apple is focused on user experience - from buying your Apple device at the Apple Store, to getting support, to unboxing it, to using it.... no other company is as hyper-focused on the total end user experience - and this is why the iPhone will not be the PC wars v2.0
I'd be more impressed with both Apple and Microsoft if they'd get together and offer syncing for Windows Mobile phones with OS X. I can't afford a service contract for an iPhone, so I use Windows Mobile phone I got cheaply. It has the features I need, although poorly organized, but OS X won't sync to it like it did my earlier RAZR.
And to add insult to injury, OS X knows it's connecting to a Windows Mobile smartphone, it just turns up its nose and refuses to have a conversation.
Apple and Microsoft need to get over their schoolyard macho and make their products work together. "It just works" should apply to Windows Mobile phones.
What can MS do about that? iPhone is syncing with Outlook on my Vista PC perfectly fine. Should they threaten Apple they will drop support for iPhone unless Apple starts supporting win Mobile?