Dave, honestly, do you believe what you've just said?
I'm not going to defend corporate America. But if you don't believe in the company that pays your wages, why should they believe in you? Maybe the individual is involved in the development of win mobile. Which begs the question, 'why aren't you making our products better?' If I was an employer and saw that I would wonder if the individual was passionate enough about our business to be a part of its future. I really doubt that employees that aren't passionate about the company they work for do a very good job.
I don't know if the guy will get fired, I hope not, or if the whole event was staged. But if it wasn't and that was a genuine expression of anger on Ballmer's part I suspect that if he isn't fired it'll probably affect his ability to get promoted or affect his salary increases in the future. It may not be right but that's the way it works.
really? seriously, you think it's all the little guys fault at MS that Microsoft cannot come out with a product that draws people to want to buy? Maybe the employee does have the passion, does have the creativity and it's MS management that says no you will do it this way when they come out with a non-stellar product in the end. Yahhh! let's blame the little guys instead of upper managment where all those decisions are made.
I would know because I work for a place that's exactly like that. It makes no difference how passionate, creative, or drive you have. They control all your decisions and force you to conform their way and believe me that is most of the problem at Microsoft today. They are too big to change and too big to listen to their own people.
really? seriously, you think it's all the little guys fault at MS that Microsoft cannot come out with a product that draws people to want to buy? Maybe the employee does have the passion, does have the creativity and it's MS management that says no you will do it this way when they come out with a non-stellar product in the end. Yahhh! let's blame the little guys instead of upper managment where all those decisions are made.
I would know because I work for a place that's exactly like that. It makes no difference how passionate, creative, or drive you have. They control all your decisions and force you to conform their way and believe me that is most of the problem at Microsoft today. They are too big to change and too big to listen to their own people.
If your that unhappy with your job why don't you work elsewhere? Sounds like neither you nor your current employer are benefiting.
After your algebra class I'll try to explain how things work in the big bad corporate world.
Actually you know nothing because that employee will not get fired, since it would make too much bad press. he will probably have an asterisk against his name in his HR file and promotions will be very hard or be transferred to similar level position, but very boring and cause him to leave.
Firing an employee, after high level news publicity is last thing to happen.
Your comment had nothing to do with big bad corporate world, but your own views, which I agree were not nice.
But this was at a MS corporate function. What does it say about MS products when their employees show up at functions or in public with competitor's products? People aren't stupid. If MS won't eat their own cooking why should they? I certainly wouldn't.
That's why it was stupid for Ballmer to draw attention to it IMO.
MS do not make mobile phones, their make the software for the phones, so Bald Eagle drawing attention to the guys iphone was very silly.
Especially since I know for a fact that a lot of MS senior employees use Blackberrys, that does not run MS software.
Steve Bald Eagle I agree was very stupid to focus on that employee's iphone, since it shows, he has a big resentment to Apple.
Ballmer can be an idiot sometimes with his antics, but the employee stupid enough to show up at a MS corporate function with a competitors product gets no sympathy from me.
He's lucky if he's able to keep his job. Especially now when times are difficult and talented people are without jobs.
Microsoft's employees are mostly geeks and therefore a huge amount of them have iPhones. It's not uncommon at all for an employee to show up at an event with one.
This is just Balmer aping for the crowd as usual. It was probably a calculated PR move on his part as if not for this, no one would be talking about the event. As it is I've seen this on five sites already and there is probably a YouTube video as well.
I didn't say it would be acceptable to fire them. But in corporate America, and in Japan I suspect, its not uncommon. And to clear, I think it was poor judgement on both Ballmer and the employees part. The employee should be discreet about using a competitors product and Ballmer shouldn't have made a big display out of the iPhone. He only brought unnecessary attention to MS employees using iPhones.
And funny you bring up the Win Mobile devices and their use in Apple stores. Seems like we had a thread on that and that many felt it was important for Apple to develop a POS product so Apple wouldn't need the Win Mobile devices.
PS. Apple gave all their employees an iPhone in 07. While it was a generous act, I suspect it was also a subtle message to the employees. We going to eat our cooking.
What?!! "Balmer" and "unnecessary attention"?? Say it ain't so.
Another child like outburst. This is what we have come to expect from this guy. He certainly produced some good publicity for the iPhone out of MS's headquarters.
large letters tend to make the writer look very zune like cool .
Your attitude is exactly why so many companies in this country are in such bad shape. Often suffering from the competition from smaller mom and pop operations.
That's a problem, not with the individual, but with some corporate culture mindsets, which is often myopic and narrow. If they fire people for buying the "wrong" product with their own earnings, they're going to wither away their intelligence base even more, it usually results in intellectual incest and even more of a yes-man mindset. Does a company want people that are broad minded, or people that just buy the party line with their own earnings because that's who writes their checks? People buying the competitor's product should either be a clue either that something is wrong with your own product, or an indication that your workers aren't so henpecked as to blindly go along with the corporate line when maybe something else suits them better.
We have enough of this us-vs.-them, friend or foe, ally or traitor mindset, and frankly, I think this kind of attitude is poisonous.
At a private company meeting this week, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was reportedly giving one of his legendary energetic entrances when an employee mistakenly snapped a photo of him with an iPhone. According to Todd Bishop at TechFlash, the company leader made a lighthearted example of him.
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed," he said. "Then he put it on the ground and pretended to stomp on it, before walking away."
Ballmer reportedly teased the employee again later during his presentation. Bishop noted that one Microsoft employee remarked on Twitter: "You just don't pick up the CEO of Chevy in a BMW."
While those in attendance said the moment was all in good fun, Ballmer has made his share of inflammatory remarks about the iPhone in the past. However, since the iPhone has proven successful for Apple, Ballmer has softened his remarks.
hasn't softened it too much.
then again this guy does work with Kevin
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Originally Posted by backtomac
Ballmer can be an idiot sometimes with his antics, but the employee stupid enough to show up at a MS corporate function with a competitors product gets no sympathy from me.
He's lucky if he's able to keep his job. Especially now when times are difficult and talented people are without jobs.
it should only be a problem if there is some clause in his employment contract that says that he can only use software and hardware created by his employer. Otherwise it is his right to use what he wants.
and without that clause there is no way that having an iphone, blackberry etc would pass as a legit reason to fire someone.
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Originally Posted by pixelcruncher
OK, so the whole point of iTunes was buying single songs at 99 cents rather than having to buy an album with a whole bunch of crap we didn't want.
no the point of itunes was to be able to buy music without the added step of having to rip it to your computer to put it on your ipod. with the added bonus of many albums being cheaper than buying a CD, being able to get only the songs you really want and less clutter from not having stacks of CD around
You'll see Ballmer fake stepping on the iPhone. After the curtains ( if they have any ) close, Ballmer will ask thaat employee to lend him the iPhone and he'll be drooling over it and admiring it like crazy!
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed"
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed, while quickly making sure their iPhone was not visible to Ballmer"
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Dave, honestly, do you believe what you've just said?
I'm not going to defend corporate America. But if you don't believe in the company that pays your wages, why should they believe in you? Maybe the individual is involved in the development of win mobile. Which begs the question, 'why aren't you making our products better?' If I was an employer and saw that I would wonder if the individual was passionate enough about our business to be a part of its future. I really doubt that employees that aren't passionate about the company they work for do a very good job.
I don't know if the guy will get fired, I hope not, or if the whole event was staged. But if it wasn't and that was a genuine expression of anger on Ballmer's part I suspect that if he isn't fired it'll probably affect his ability to get promoted or affect his salary increases in the future. It may not be right but that's the way it works.
really? seriously, you think it's all the little guys fault at MS that Microsoft cannot come out with a product that draws people to want to buy? Maybe the employee does have the passion, does have the creativity and it's MS management that says no you will do it this way when they come out with a non-stellar product in the end. Yahhh! let's blame the little guys instead of upper managment where all those decisions are made.
I would know because I work for a place that's exactly like that. It makes no difference how passionate, creative, or drive you have. They control all your decisions and force you to conform their way and believe me that is most of the problem at Microsoft today. They are too big to change and too big to listen to their own people.
really? seriously, you think it's all the little guys fault at MS that Microsoft cannot come out with a product that draws people to want to buy? Maybe the employee does have the passion, does have the creativity and it's MS management that says no you will do it this way when they come out with a non-stellar product in the end. Yahhh! let's blame the little guys instead of upper managment where all those decisions are made.
I would know because I work for a place that's exactly like that. It makes no difference how passionate, creative, or drive you have. They control all your decisions and force you to conform their way and believe me that is most of the problem at Microsoft today. They are too big to change and too big to listen to their own people.
If your that unhappy with your job why don't you work elsewhere? Sounds like neither you nor your current employer are benefiting.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
After your algebra class I'll try to explain how things work in the big bad corporate world.
Actually you know nothing because that employee will not get fired, since it would make too much bad press. he will probably have an asterisk against his name in his HR file and promotions will be very hard or be transferred to similar level position, but very boring and cause him to leave.
Firing an employee, after high level news publicity is last thing to happen.
Your comment had nothing to do with big bad corporate world, but your own views, which I agree were not nice.
At least the MS employee who made the analogy got it right.
That was my exact reaction, the best line by far in the coverage.
But this was at a MS corporate function. What does it say about MS products when their employees show up at functions or in public with competitor's products? People aren't stupid. If MS won't eat their own cooking why should they? I certainly wouldn't.
That's why it was stupid for Ballmer to draw attention to it IMO.
MS do not make mobile phones, their make the software for the phones, so Bald Eagle drawing attention to the guys iphone was very silly.
Especially since I know for a fact that a lot of MS senior employees use Blackberrys, that does not run MS software.
Steve Bald Eagle I agree was very stupid to focus on that employee's iphone, since it shows, he has a big resentment to Apple.
Ballmer can be an idiot sometimes with his antics, but the employee stupid enough to show up at a MS corporate function with a competitors product gets no sympathy from me.
He's lucky if he's able to keep his job. Especially now when times are difficult and talented people are without jobs.
Microsoft's employees are mostly geeks and therefore a huge amount of them have iPhones. It's not uncommon at all for an employee to show up at an event with one.
This is just Balmer aping for the crowd as usual. It was probably a calculated PR move on his part as if not for this, no one would be talking about the event. As it is I've seen this on five sites already and there is probably a YouTube video as well.
No kidding. Have you ever seen one out in the wild? I have not.
LOL, I still haven't seen one in the wild. Saw one in the Zune "section" at Best Buy, though. They seemed to be collecting dust.
Try pepsi instead.
I didn't say it would be acceptable to fire them. But in corporate America, and in Japan I suspect, its not uncommon. And to clear, I think it was poor judgement on both Ballmer and the employees part. The employee should be discreet about using a competitors product and Ballmer shouldn't have made a big display out of the iPhone. He only brought unnecessary attention to MS employees using iPhones.
And funny you bring up the Win Mobile devices and their use in Apple stores. Seems like we had a thread on that and that many felt it was important for Apple to develop a POS product so Apple wouldn't need the Win Mobile devices.
PS. Apple gave all their employees an iPhone in 07. While it was a generous act, I suspect it was also a subtle message to the employees. We going to eat our cooking.
What?!! "Balmer" and "unnecessary attention"?? Say it ain't so.
Another child like outburst. This is what we have come to expect from this guy. He certainly produced some good publicity for the iPhone out of MS's headquarters.
large letters tend to make the writer look very zune like cool .
LOL, I still haven't seen one in the wild. Saw one in the Zune "section" at Best Buy, though. They seemed to be collecting dust.
Odd i se tons of iphones touches pre's BB's and the rest on the 1 train subway to the ferry
but i have never seen a zune .
Never.
kinda spooky
maybe there hot in milwalkie
peace
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MS do not make mobile phones, their make the software for the phones, so Bald Eagle drawing attention to the guys iphone was very silly.
Especially since I know for a fact that a lot of MS senior employees use Blackberrys, that does not run MS software.
Steve Bald Eagle I agree was very stupid to focus on that employee's iphone, since it shows, he has a big resentment to Apple.
Balmer is so full of it he only tries to confuse the world with his fake stoopid dog tricks .
Your attitude is exactly why so many companies in this country are in such bad shape. Often suffering from the competition from smaller mom and pop operations.
Dave
Amen, brother. Amen.
That's a problem, not with the individual, but with some corporate culture mindsets, which is often myopic and narrow. If they fire people for buying the "wrong" product with their own earnings, they're going to wither away their intelligence base even more, it usually results in intellectual incest and even more of a yes-man mindset. Does a company want people that are broad minded, or people that just buy the party line with their own earnings because that's who writes their checks? People buying the competitor's product should either be a clue either that something is wrong with your own product, or an indication that your workers aren't so henpecked as to blindly go along with the corporate line when maybe something else suits them better.
We have enough of this us-vs.-them, friend or foe, ally or traitor mindset, and frankly, I think this kind of attitude is poisonous.
Well said.
Ballmer vs. a Microsoft employee's iPhone
At a private company meeting this week, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was reportedly giving one of his legendary energetic entrances when an employee mistakenly snapped a photo of him with an iPhone. According to Todd Bishop at TechFlash, the company leader made a lighthearted example of him.
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed," he said. "Then he put it on the ground and pretended to stomp on it, before walking away."
Ballmer reportedly teased the employee again later during his presentation. Bishop noted that one Microsoft employee remarked on Twitter: "You just don't pick up the CEO of Chevy in a BMW."
While those in attendance said the moment was all in good fun, Ballmer has made his share of inflammatory remarks about the iPhone in the past. However, since the iPhone has proven successful for Apple, Ballmer has softened his remarks.
hasn't softened it too much.
then again this guy does work with Kevin
Ballmer can be an idiot sometimes with his antics, but the employee stupid enough to show up at a MS corporate function with a competitors product gets no sympathy from me.
He's lucky if he's able to keep his job. Especially now when times are difficult and talented people are without jobs.
it should only be a problem if there is some clause in his employment contract that says that he can only use software and hardware created by his employer. Otherwise it is his right to use what he wants.
and without that clause there is no way that having an iphone, blackberry etc would pass as a legit reason to fire someone.
OK, so the whole point of iTunes was buying single songs at 99 cents rather than having to buy an album with a whole bunch of crap we didn't want.
no the point of itunes was to be able to buy music without the added step of having to rip it to your computer to put it on your ipod. with the added bonus of many albums being cheaper than buying a CD, being able to get only the songs you really want and less clutter from not having stacks of CD around
Steve B. -
SNIP!
Joe User
You'll see Ballmer fake stepping on the iPhone. After the curtains ( if they have any ) close, Ballmer will ask thaat employee to lend him the iPhone and he'll be drooling over it and admiring it like crazy!
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed"
"Ballmer grabbed the Apple device from the employee and made some funny remarks as everyone booed, while quickly making sure their iPhone was not visible to Ballmer"
Fixed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q42D_qVLUA