The best investment ? and the one that makes the Apple TV look outright silly ? is a $289 Blu-Ray player that has built in Netflix streaming, VUDU streaming, YouTube streaming, and of course DVD backwards compatibility. For what little it does, $229 for the Apple TV is absolutely outrageous.
Wanna clue in the clueless (me) on that one!!!! I'm using a Mini with Boxee and Front row. But would like to see other options.
my wife likes to watch AI and the dance shows live, not a week after they air. Football is also meant to be watched live.
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The live content may not come cheap. ESPN paid over a billion dollars a year for the monday night football.
Yeah, I don't see Apple as being willing to offer anything like "virtual cable", as I bet that's what would be necessary to get live ESPN.
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I don't understand why everyone wants a DVR on this thing. If it could work right, then maybe, but the lack of open cable cards has pretty much made any htpc a no-dvr proposition. A tv tuner card, from my understanding is just like the tv tuner in your tv in that it will only tune maybe the first 100 cable channels. All the HD channels are above 100 on my cable (not that many of them are actually hd) meaning you need a cable box.
I know that TIVO currently works with cable cards, but I'm pretty sure that is one of the few devices out there that has been approved for cable card. The point being that any hope of an "open" cable card being supported in a mac or pc for media center is gone. That leaves dvd/br, internet content, and over the air tv.
There are a few CableCard tuners for HTPCs.
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Perhaps you haven't noticed that unemployment in the U.S. is approaching, and will probably reach, or surpass, by the holidays, 10%?
I wouldn't bet on a big holiday season for anything this year... except maybe sweaters.
I don't want to make light of a sad situation, but doesn't mean that the other 90% of the work force still has jobs? The downward spiral seems to be nearing bottom and some segments of the economy seem to be recovering. I know I've already spent more on Blu-Ray this year than the two years before.
And if the movie industry want's to give Pirate Bay (and alike) a match they need to let iTunes free!
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Sure, when monkeys fly outta my a#@.
I wonder if tumme-totte is misunderstood here. I don't think he meant making iTunes free as in no charge, but let iTunes actually sell their media. The entertainment industries are a bit too mired in the old business models, they break up the rights to their movies by country, even if it's their subsidiaries, it's still a mess, but sometimes the local distribution rights to a given movie is actually owned by a competitor. iTunes has to make deals with subsidiaries in each country, making it very slow going. In all fairness, even distribution rights to independent movies are broken up, no one seems to be taking the initiative to offer worldwide rights for video downloads.
If Apple hadn't pulled out of MacWorld, I might have expected a new hardware configuration this January. I'm waiting for an excuse to pull the trigger and add another box to my TV table.
Apple now hosts their own event, this year it was in early February and I imagine Feb will be their new annual early year event/product conference date. That is when they may announce their "tablet" along with other products/updates. So, you you may see a new Apple TV in 4-4.5 months.
Maybe next AppleTV would double as a game console? one can only hope
Indeed. Apple needs to provide more content globally, how else do they expect the Apple TV to make a dent?
you might be onto something with this thought. Since the big news these days is about how Apple missed the boat on the iPod updates and yet no announcement of the mystery rummored "gaming centric" tablet-pod-thingy. It seems as though the two might work very similarly. This tablet thingy might not be an HD screen but the two might share similar OS or something to make them work in tandem.
My predication for January is that the conference will largely be dominated by these two devices. I think the ATV will get an iPhone-like OS upgrade and this OS will be the same OS they use for the Tablet.
As an owner of an Apple TV (160gb, but the HD is always empty) I'd love to see it developed further, as it really feels like a half baked product. It desperately needs access to streaming video sites, such as the BBC's iPlayer here in the UK and all the others too of course.
More than that though Apple just need to get off their backsides and give a damn about the iTunes store outside the UK. The disparity in content between the US store and what we poor slobs in the rest of the world get is shocking. The US store feels like an HD paradise compared to the largely SD world of the UK store, and of course we get new shows and films are around double the cost and months, or YEARS late. It's just not a very compelling offering.
I'm in the US and I still feel the same way you do. Apple's content stinks, no matter where you are. For the $329 the TV cost, I thought content would be coming fast and furious. What a disappointment.
In addition to subscriptions, Munster has predicted that a new Apple TV would also potentially include DVR capabilities.
yipee. no more having to buy season passes from itunes for my shows.
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More than that though Apple just need to get off their backsides and give a damn about the iTunes store outside the UK. The disparity in content between the US store and what we poor slobs in the rest of the world get is shocking.
keep in mind that the studios and networks are major players in that call and they aren't so keen on doing things quickly. heck they are the reason why there's DRM on movies and shows still. they won't let Apple carry the stuff anywhere without it.
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I know that many say stop complaining about the price difference, but put yourselves in the UK or rest of the world's position. Apple is a company I love, I own many of their products, but I an so pissed of with reading a post about a new product or a refresh, I excitedly get my card out to order only to find that Apple is again expecting everyone outside of the USA to bend over and prepare for penetration, I'm so fed up with being royally shafted!
the reason many folks say stop complaining is that the folks doing the moaning don't seem to acknowledge that Apple is a US, not an international, company. as such, they have to deal with each countries individual rules and taxes for importing goods for sale. sometimes those rules prohibit a product, sometimes those rules require a tax which is legally passed on to the customers.
I used to work for Godiva Chocolates. the luxury import tax to ship our goods to Japan to sell in the Tokyo store was so high that the cost to the customer was 5-6 times more than they would pay to buy the max allowed by customs in their luggage when they were here in LA on business. so guess what they did.
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Apple now hosts their own event, this year it was in early February and I imagine Feb will be their new annual early year event/product conference date. That is when they may announce their "tablet" along with other products/updates. So, you you may see a new Apple TV in 4-4.5 months.
or sooner, or later.
part of the issue with leaving MacWorld was that Apple wanted to set their own schedule. this past year they did a desktop refresh in Feb. they might wait until Feb again or do it in two weeks to set up the more family focused iMac as THE gift for the holidays. previously they did the laptop refresh in Oct, post Back to School. this time they did it in June, right as the school promo was heating up
they could even do whatever they want, as they did this past weekend, with no announcement. just slip it in when everyone was blinking
The best investment ? and the one that makes the Apple TV look outright silly ? is a $289 Blu-Ray player that has built in Netflix streaming, VUDU streaming, YouTube streaming, and of course DVD backwards compatibility. For what little it does, $229 for the Apple TV is absolutely outrageous.
Thats a brand new netflix thing with streaming ancient movies and the ATV is old .Why compare 2 different devices and roku can't strem from my MBP so we do need both .
The ATV is a wonderful elegant gatekeeper for your apple based media content and itunes downloads
for rich people this is a great beautiful look and function.YES it is a crippled device because apple can't mess with the movie studio's and offer up all great features like the roku box has .
Yet all the new netflix/roku movies are looking pretty shabby lately maybe its the starz addition
BUT you can on roku/netflix go to amazon and buy movies> tv shows in hd and reg and you also have MLB . So roku in my house wins and so does my time warner hd dvr box . SADLY not many movies need blo ray i guess the block busters looe great but pretty in pink for 25 bucks seems foolish
As a hobby, Apple can build them cheaply and not have any reason to update them. Since they are probably so cheap to make, they can have it hang around for awhile, even though it does lousy in sales. Typically, a lousy selling product would be dead in a year (G4 Cube), but since this is such a cheap device, they probably don't lose any money on it.
It will never have an optical drive, nor will it ever be a DVR. The AppleTV's sole purpose is to lure the customer into iTunes sales. Apple won't make money off cable subscriptions, DVD/Blu-Ray, or NetFlix streaming. Apple won't build a box to support that. They are in it to make money, nothing more.
Since iTunes will never have live TV, you won't see many people dumping Satellite or Cable anytime soon for an AppleTV box. Live Sports anyone? Not on iTunes or AppleTV.
It is a dying hobby and Apple should just put the AppleTV to death. I would rather buy a DVD or Blu-Ray disc for the better quality and better content than anything on iTunes. Never purchased any iTunes TV or Movie content, and don't ever plan to.
The ATV is not cheap to make. The build price was published a while back. In fact, since IDE drives are going up it probably costs more, or about the same, to make now than when it came out. You make some good points but I'd have to disagree with your final paragraph. A DVD does not have better quality. Obviously Blu-Ray does, but I don't know if it will replace DVD's. Not clear one way or another. If Blu-Ray does become really popular then the streaming and digital folks will have to have a different game plan. Obviously, a popular Blu-Ray means the Apple TV approach needs to change drastically.
The Apple TV is pretty popular when compared to other streaming devices. That whole arena seems to be a mess and based for the most part on questionable sources. The companies involved are not well established. I wouldn't count the ATV out. It's a great device not for everyone obviously.
It is a crippled device because it only supports up to 5 Mbps 720p.
Big deal. Do you want 1080p streaming over the internet? I'm sure the ISP's would love that.
A 720p ATV video is pretty darned nice (and I have a player that does do the higher stuff and there really is no difference unless you are running some insanely large TV.
Big deal. Do you want 1080p streaming over the internet? I'm sure the ISP's would love that.
A 720p ATV video is pretty darned nice (and I have a player that does do the higher stuff and there really is no difference unless you are running some insanely large TV.
pmcd
Well, a big deal to that cuz some people say there is really no difference between DVD quality and 720p. Picture quality isn't important for everyone. Some people don't even mind watching their movie on a tiny iPhone.
UK price now £219.00 ... And here in Malaysia the price of 160GB dropped in half. FWIW I think the rest of the world will see the price cuts by now. The only thing is the f*ing lack of content... Why do you think there is so much piracy in Asia, for example? Where are our legal or streaming (even ad-based) content? The movie and tv studios still have their heads firmly up you-know-where when it comes to this hemisphere of the world. At least people like Valve and their Steam legal game downloads network get it... At least Apple and the developers "get it" when it comes to the App Store which does not have geographical restrictions.
Of course in Malaysia everything is run through a layer of censorship (language, nudity, even G-rated stuff might take a snip or too if there is highly "politically sensitive" stuff)... So... well... I dunno... whatever.
All Apple needs to do is add a major streaming/subscription service in addition to iTunes Store.
And MAKE IPOD TOUCH/ IPHONE GAMES PLAYABLE ON APPLE TV and it's a mini-console. I mean, the way iPod touch and iPhone 3GS hardware is going, a little tweak and while it's nowhere near hi-def, you could get Wii-quality gaming on Apple TV. Just another tweak in regards to some sort of appropriate controller.
Or, the Apple TV will hobble along (albeit gracefully?) as it always has.
</rambling>
Edit: DVR would be nice but Apple would probably never do it. Then again, there *is* an FM tuner on an iPod nano after, oh, 8 years of the iPod? So... who knows
Thats a brand new netflix thing with streaming ancient movies and the ATV is old .Why compare 2 different devices and roku can't strem from my MBP so we do need both .
The ATV is a wonderful elegant gatekeeper for your apple based media content and itunes downloads
for rich people this is a great beautiful look and function.YES it is a crippled device because apple can't mess with the movie studio's and offer up all great features like the roku box has .
Yet all the new netflix/roku movies are looking pretty shabby lately maybe its the starz addition
BUT you can on roku/netflix go to amazon and buy movies> tv shows in hd and reg and you also have MLB . So roku in my house wins and so does my time warner hd dvr box . SADLY not many movies need blo ray i guess the block busters looe great but pretty in pink for 25 bucks seems foolish
Well, a big deal to that cuz some people say there is really no difference between DVD quality and 720p. Picture quality isn't important for everyone. Some people don't even mind watching their movie on a tiny iPhone.
The ATV's 720p picture quality is very good. There aren't exactly a whole lot of 1080p sources around. So I assume you are claiming that the high profile 720p files are significantly better? I just disagree. I do admit that 1080p produces a difference (under certain conditions - size, distance from TV, type of movie), but that's not in the cards for streaming.
I can see a difference between 480p and 720p. The ATv plays both.
I don't want to make light of a sad situation, but doesn't mean that the other 90% of the work force still has jobs? The downward spiral seems to be nearing bottom and some segments of the economy seem to be recovering.
Well, yes, it does mean that 90% of the "work force" still has jobs, but it also means that probably somewhere around 25-30% of the adult population is without jobs (since only those who "report" that they are looking for work are included in the official number) and a high percentage of those with jobs are nervous about whether they will keep them. Re the "downward spiral" and "recovery", notwithstanding those hopes, unemployment is expected to continue to rise for some months.
Nah because BluRay is still way to expensive for just one movie... And how many times would you watch it? Not many countries outside the US has good BluRay rental...
So I guess I'm talking outside the US, legal high-def downloads and BluRay ain't real options.
And even in the US, you've got so many options outside of BluRay, right?
IMO BluRay is cheaper than AppleTV but with the price as it is now and convenience of digital storage... AppleTV in the US can still be convenient for some, just getting their stuff through iTunes Store.
I'm definitely not being too clear but at the end of the day BluRay isn't that hot in the US, and internationally even less so.
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The best investment ? and the one that makes the Apple TV look outright silly ? is a $289 Blu-Ray player that has built in Netflix streaming, VUDU streaming, YouTube streaming, and of course DVD backwards compatibility. For what little it does, $229 for the Apple TV is absolutely outrageous.
Wanna clue in the clueless (me) on that one!!!! I'm using a Mini with Boxee and Front row. But would like to see other options.
my wife likes to watch AI and the dance shows live, not a week after they air. Football is also meant to be watched live.
The live content may not come cheap. ESPN paid over a billion dollars a year for the monday night football.
Yeah, I don't see Apple as being willing to offer anything like "virtual cable", as I bet that's what would be necessary to get live ESPN.
I don't understand why everyone wants a DVR on this thing. If it could work right, then maybe, but the lack of open cable cards has pretty much made any htpc a no-dvr proposition. A tv tuner card, from my understanding is just like the tv tuner in your tv in that it will only tune maybe the first 100 cable channels. All the HD channels are above 100 on my cable (not that many of them are actually hd) meaning you need a cable box.
I know that TIVO currently works with cable cards, but I'm pretty sure that is one of the few devices out there that has been approved for cable card. The point being that any hope of an "open" cable card being supported in a mac or pc for media center is gone. That leaves dvd/br, internet content, and over the air tv.
There are a few CableCard tuners for HTPCs.
Perhaps you haven't noticed that unemployment in the U.S. is approaching, and will probably reach, or surpass, by the holidays, 10%?
I wouldn't bet on a big holiday season for anything this year... except maybe sweaters.
I don't want to make light of a sad situation, but doesn't mean that the other 90% of the work force still has jobs? The downward spiral seems to be nearing bottom and some segments of the economy seem to be recovering. I know I've already spent more on Blu-Ray this year than the two years before.
And if the movie industry want's to give Pirate Bay (and alike) a match they need to let iTunes free!
Sure, when monkeys fly outta my a#@.
I wonder if tumme-totte is misunderstood here. I don't think he meant making iTunes free as in no charge, but let iTunes actually sell their media. The entertainment industries are a bit too mired in the old business models, they break up the rights to their movies by country, even if it's their subsidiaries, it's still a mess, but sometimes the local distribution rights to a given movie is actually owned by a competitor. iTunes has to make deals with subsidiaries in each country, making it very slow going. In all fairness, even distribution rights to independent movies are broken up, no one seems to be taking the initiative to offer worldwide rights for video downloads.
If Apple hadn't pulled out of MacWorld, I might have expected a new hardware configuration this January. I'm waiting for an excuse to pull the trigger and add another box to my TV table.
Apple now hosts their own event, this year it was in early February and I imagine Feb will be their new annual early year event/product conference date. That is when they may announce their "tablet" along with other products/updates. So, you you may see a new Apple TV in 4-4.5 months.
Maybe next AppleTV would double as a game console? one can only hope
Indeed. Apple needs to provide more content globally, how else do they expect the Apple TV to make a dent?
you might be onto something with this thought. Since the big news these days is about how Apple missed the boat on the iPod updates and yet no announcement of the mystery rummored "gaming centric" tablet-pod-thingy. It seems as though the two might work very similarly. This tablet thingy might not be an HD screen but the two might share similar OS or something to make them work in tandem.
My predication for January is that the conference will largely be dominated by these two devices. I think the ATV will get an iPhone-like OS upgrade and this OS will be the same OS they use for the Tablet.
As an owner of an Apple TV (160gb, but the HD is always empty) I'd love to see it developed further, as it really feels like a half baked product. It desperately needs access to streaming video sites, such as the BBC's iPlayer here in the UK and all the others too of course.
More than that though Apple just need to get off their backsides and give a damn about the iTunes store outside the UK. The disparity in content between the US store and what we poor slobs in the rest of the world get is shocking. The US store feels like an HD paradise compared to the largely SD world of the UK store, and of course we get new shows and films are around double the cost and months, or YEARS late. It's just not a very compelling offering.
I'm in the US and I still feel the same way you do. Apple's content stinks, no matter where you are. For the $329 the TV cost, I thought content would be coming fast and furious. What a disappointment.
In addition to subscriptions, Munster has predicted that a new Apple TV would also potentially include DVR capabilities.
yipee. no more having to buy season passes from itunes for my shows.
More than that though Apple just need to get off their backsides and give a damn about the iTunes store outside the UK. The disparity in content between the US store and what we poor slobs in the rest of the world get is shocking.
keep in mind that the studios and networks are major players in that call and they aren't so keen on doing things quickly. heck they are the reason why there's DRM on movies and shows still. they won't let Apple carry the stuff anywhere without it.
I know that many say stop complaining about the price difference, but put yourselves in the UK or rest of the world's position. Apple is a company I love, I own many of their products, but I an so pissed of with reading a post about a new product or a refresh, I excitedly get my card out to order only to find that Apple is again expecting everyone outside of the USA to bend over and prepare for penetration, I'm so fed up with being royally shafted!
the reason many folks say stop complaining is that the folks doing the moaning don't seem to acknowledge that Apple is a US, not an international, company. as such, they have to deal with each countries individual rules and taxes for importing goods for sale. sometimes those rules prohibit a product, sometimes those rules require a tax which is legally passed on to the customers.
I used to work for Godiva Chocolates. the luxury import tax to ship our goods to Japan to sell in the Tokyo store was so high that the cost to the customer was 5-6 times more than they would pay to buy the max allowed by customs in their luggage when they were here in LA on business. so guess what they did.
Apple now hosts their own event, this year it was in early February and I imagine Feb will be their new annual early year event/product conference date. That is when they may announce their "tablet" along with other products/updates. So, you you may see a new Apple TV in 4-4.5 months.
or sooner, or later.
part of the issue with leaving MacWorld was that Apple wanted to set their own schedule. this past year they did a desktop refresh in Feb. they might wait until Feb again or do it in two weeks to set up the more family focused iMac as THE gift for the holidays. previously they did the laptop refresh in Oct, post Back to School. this time they did it in June, right as the school promo was heating up
they could even do whatever they want, as they did this past weekend, with no announcement. just slip it in when everyone was blinking
The best investment ? and the one that makes the Apple TV look outright silly ? is a $289 Blu-Ray player that has built in Netflix streaming, VUDU streaming, YouTube streaming, and of course DVD backwards compatibility. For what little it does, $229 for the Apple TV is absolutely outrageous.
Thats a brand new netflix thing with streaming ancient movies and the ATV is old .Why compare 2 different devices and roku can't strem from my MBP so we do need both .
The ATV is a wonderful elegant gatekeeper for your apple based media content and itunes downloads
for rich people this is a great beautiful look and function.YES it is a crippled device because apple can't mess with the movie studio's and offer up all great features like the roku box has .
Yet all the new netflix/roku movies are looking pretty shabby lately maybe its the starz addition
BUT you can on roku/netflix go to amazon and buy movies> tv shows in hd and reg and you also have MLB . So roku in my house wins and so does my time warner hd dvr box . SADLY not many movies need blo ray i guess the block busters looe great but pretty in pink for 25 bucks seems foolish
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no optical drive, no deal
a lot cheaper for me to buy shiny disks of kids' movies than store them on hard drive and worry about backing them up
It will never happen unless iPods start playing CD's.
philip
YES it is a crippled device because apple can't mess with the movie studio's and offer up all great features like the roku box has .
It is a crippled device because it only supports up to 5 Mbps 720p.
As a hobby, Apple can build them cheaply and not have any reason to update them. Since they are probably so cheap to make, they can have it hang around for awhile, even though it does lousy in sales. Typically, a lousy selling product would be dead in a year (G4 Cube), but since this is such a cheap device, they probably don't lose any money on it.
It will never have an optical drive, nor will it ever be a DVR. The AppleTV's sole purpose is to lure the customer into iTunes sales. Apple won't make money off cable subscriptions, DVD/Blu-Ray, or NetFlix streaming. Apple won't build a box to support that. They are in it to make money, nothing more.
Since iTunes will never have live TV, you won't see many people dumping Satellite or Cable anytime soon for an AppleTV box. Live Sports anyone? Not on iTunes or AppleTV.
It is a dying hobby and Apple should just put the AppleTV to death. I would rather buy a DVD or Blu-Ray disc for the better quality and better content than anything on iTunes. Never purchased any iTunes TV or Movie content, and don't ever plan to.
The ATV is not cheap to make. The build price was published a while back. In fact, since IDE drives are going up it probably costs more, or about the same, to make now than when it came out. You make some good points but I'd have to disagree with your final paragraph. A DVD does not have better quality. Obviously Blu-Ray does, but I don't know if it will replace DVD's. Not clear one way or another. If Blu-Ray does become really popular then the streaming and digital folks will have to have a different game plan. Obviously, a popular Blu-Ray means the Apple TV approach needs to change drastically.
The Apple TV is pretty popular when compared to other streaming devices. That whole arena seems to be a mess and based for the most part on questionable sources. The companies involved are not well established. I wouldn't count the ATV out. It's a great device not for everyone obviously.
pmcd
It is a crippled device because it only supports up to 5 Mbps 720p.
Big deal. Do you want 1080p streaming over the internet? I'm sure the ISP's would love that.
A 720p ATV video is pretty darned nice (and I have a player that does do the higher stuff and there really is no difference unless you are running some insanely large TV.
pmcd
Big deal. Do you want 1080p streaming over the internet? I'm sure the ISP's would love that.
A 720p ATV video is pretty darned nice (and I have a player that does do the higher stuff and there really is no difference unless you are running some insanely large TV.
pmcd
Well, a big deal to that cuz some people say there is really no difference between DVD quality and 720p. Picture quality isn't important for everyone. Some people don't even mind watching their movie on a tiny iPhone.
Of course in Malaysia everything is run through a layer of censorship (language, nudity, even G-rated stuff might take a snip or too if there is highly "politically sensitive" stuff)... So... well... I dunno... whatever.
All Apple needs to do is add a major streaming/subscription service in addition to iTunes Store.
And MAKE IPOD TOUCH/ IPHONE GAMES PLAYABLE ON APPLE TV and it's a mini-console. I mean, the way iPod touch and iPhone 3GS hardware is going, a little tweak and while it's nowhere near hi-def, you could get Wii-quality gaming on Apple TV. Just another tweak in regards to some sort of appropriate controller.
Or, the Apple TV will hobble along (albeit gracefully?) as it always has.
</rambling>
Edit: DVR would be nice but Apple would probably never do it. Then again, there *is* an FM tuner on an iPod nano after, oh, 8 years of the iPod? So... who knows
Thats a brand new netflix thing with streaming ancient movies and the ATV is old .Why compare 2 different devices and roku can't strem from my MBP so we do need both .
The ATV is a wonderful elegant gatekeeper for your apple based media content and itunes downloads
for rich people this is a great beautiful look and function.YES it is a crippled device because apple can't mess with the movie studio's and offer up all great features like the roku box has .
Yet all the new netflix/roku movies are looking pretty shabby lately maybe its the starz addition
BUT you can on roku/netflix go to amazon and buy movies> tv shows in hd and reg and you also have MLB . So roku in my house wins and so does my time warner hd dvr box . SADLY not many movies need blo ray i guess the block busters looe great but pretty in pink for 25 bucks seems foolish
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I'll write 2 lines
F*** BluRay and the price for it
Well, a big deal to that cuz some people say there is really no difference between DVD quality and 720p. Picture quality isn't important for everyone. Some people don't even mind watching their movie on a tiny iPhone.
The ATV's 720p picture quality is very good. There aren't exactly a whole lot of 1080p sources around. So I assume you are claiming that the high profile 720p files are significantly better? I just disagree. I do admit that 1080p produces a difference (under certain conditions - size, distance from TV, type of movie), but that's not in the cards for streaming.
I can see a difference between 480p and 720p. The ATv plays both.
philip
I'll write 2 lines
F*** BluRay and the price for it
Why? Because it is cheaper than an Apple TV?
i'll write 2 lines
f*** bluray and the price for it
a g r e e d !
I don't want to make light of a sad situation, but doesn't mean that the other 90% of the work force still has jobs? The downward spiral seems to be nearing bottom and some segments of the economy seem to be recovering.
Well, yes, it does mean that 90% of the "work force" still has jobs, but it also means that probably somewhere around 25-30% of the adult population is without jobs (since only those who "report" that they are looking for work are included in the official number) and a high percentage of those with jobs are nervous about whether they will keep them. Re the "downward spiral" and "recovery", notwithstanding those hopes, unemployment is expected to continue to rise for some months.
Why? Because it is cheaper than an Apple TV?
Nah because BluRay is still way to expensive for just one movie... And how many times would you watch it? Not many countries outside the US has good BluRay rental...
So I guess I'm talking outside the US, legal high-def downloads and BluRay ain't real options.
And even in the US, you've got so many options outside of BluRay, right?
IMO BluRay is cheaper than AppleTV but with the price as it is now and convenience of digital storage... AppleTV in the US can still be convenient for some, just getting their stuff through iTunes Store.
I'm definitely not being too clear but at the end of the day BluRay isn't that hot in the US, and internationally even less so.