Probably just a "cover your ass" kind of line to cover liabilities, especially if someone's kid might die in a mishap. I'm not masochistic enough to go through a EULA just for a post, there maybe something prohibiting it from being used in weapon systems, not general IT.
HP does seem to make pretty nice workstations (mine are not current, a few years old), but hardware is just one piece of the puzzle, the same goes for the cost of the hardware. The cost of hardware is low compared to the cost of the people that support and use the hardware.
How does apple workstations compare to hp workstations ??
Oh no, he was exactly right. It was our fault, and has always been our fault, and we deserve what comes to our shores. We need to understand them, and empathize with them, and apologize to them for all of the terrible wrongs we've committed. we need to appease them, and hope they will forgive us.
Then we need to begin censoring the things we say so as not to offend them.
And while we're at it, maybe we should do a little more censoring so that we don't offend any of them who may be here visiting our evil country.
Get real mate. Hawaii, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Iran, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central America, Cuba - These are some of the places that the US has either invaded or had military involvement in in the last 150 years or so. Most of them for US interests at the cost of the local populace. Just because some groups are sick of it and fighting back you give some lame sarcastic response.
The US is not the only country to do this but you know what, it doesn't absolve the US for their actions either. And you know what - you should censor yourself because your ignorance of history offends me.
Really? You think that the "DoD" would write one OS for everything from stapling papers to flying into space? Especailly when there are plenty of off the shelf solutions?
Apple uses Windows and Microsoft uses Mac OS X for certain things.
The DoD uses dozens of OSs, depending on the application it is being used for.
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I've seen in the news that China does use their own OS.
Really? You think that the "DoD" would write one OS for everything from stapling papers to flying into space? Especailly when there are plenty of off the shelf solutions?
Apple uses Windows and Microsoft uses Mac OS X for certain things.
The DoD uses dozens of OSs, depending on the application it is being used for.
Only one OS in all of China's {military}?
What's the problem if you can develop your own OS and customize to protect your network from being hacked by a foreign country trying to steal classified military documents and blueprints?! This article will give you more information about what China did.
Didn't Microsoft create a special hardened version of Windows and subsequently received some kind of special certification from the US army to have it installed on army computers? Or am I confused with another news story a year ago? It's interesting the OSX doesn't need to go through the same certification process..
Never heard of it.
Officially, US Army is putting Vista and Office 2007 on their desktops, around 750,000 of them. Migration should be finished by the end of this year.
Because only a dimwit would make a statement like that.
Sorry to bust your patriotic bubble but I deal with the Army regularly and yes, unfortunately when dealing with highly technical problems they need to subcontract or it all flies above their little heads.
Yes for things like graphic design and non techies apple is great but when it comes to tax payer money why get an apple when an hp with the same specs is cheaper? (i am talking an hp with linux not windows).
So by your definition a Mac can only do things like graphic design or non-techie stuff which is ludicrous. That's Microsoft FUD spin, and you know it. Or at least should.
Efficiency, cost of use, and maintaining a system should be incorporated too. In that regard, like the story alludes to, Macs are cheaper, and in the long run are cheaper for the taxpayers.
Oh and one more thing, a U.S. government agency can't legally use a free system because it's not stimulating the economy. The only way around it is if the contractor, from which the government is spending money, is using or built a Unix/Linux system.
What's the problem if you can develop your own OS and customize to protect your network from being hacked by a foreign country trying to steal classified military documents and blueprints?! This article will give you more information about what China did.
Maybe when Obama and the other socialists in the states convert the nation to communism then the U.S. government can emulate China. Until then, read my post above.
You're defending someone that used "bleeding hearts"? Not is that a blanket assumption or accusation, that is generally a phrase used by neocons, and not many others.
Just to be clear, I wasn't intending to call Wizard a neocon. But if people want to get political, then they should understand what they're getting into, if you're going to fling, you shouldn't complain when you get flung on. Which I'd say is an excellent demonstration of the same kind of core problem.
Much of the recent global intervention is in large part to make up for the mistakes in intervention decades previous, we were so focused on the problem at hand that it caused problem for the future. The blame can justifiably be spread pretty wide and across political aisles. The US will be paying for mistakes in the current intervention decades from now. You might say that we're still dealing with the ghosts of conflicts from a century ago. The more people understand this and actually try to do something to stop the cycle rather than follow the same old play book, the better off we will be.
jeff you almost pulled it off trying to explain why we go to war
i agree with you
but your words fall far short
even if we somehow stopped the cycle
a Stalin/hitler would still arise to test our pacifist ways
jeff you almost pulled it off trying to explain why we go to war
i agree with you
but your words fall far short
even if we somehow stopped the cycle
a Stalin/hitler would still arise to test our pacifist ways
it is so complicated that it is simple
if every man when called to war said no
the mucky mucks would die on the vine
good try dude
You do recall that Stalin was an Ally, not an Axis, right? Doesn't that muddy up your response? It might even bolster my case.
Hitler rose to power in part because of the resentment of an incredibly unbalanced treaty at Versailles.
While Stalin was an incredibly evil man (probably top ten of the last century), but I don't think he started a war.
I'm not advocating no war, I'm advocating a looking at the consequences before jumping in, especially when it's someone else's fight. Today's mistakes will become quagmires decades from now, just as we're still dealing with the ghosts of past mistakes. The Taliban exist today in part because the CIA gave the Mujahideen weapons, training and organizational help when the Soviets invaded them. Now the same Taliban is a major risk to regional stability.
Iran used to have a real democracy half a century ago, before the CIA helped end that, I guess the US can't help but meddle. The US gave Saddam/Iraq WMDs to fight Iran. Saddam was evil too, but people didn't seem to mind selling him weapons in the 80's.
There will always be conflicts, but fanning the flames with unnecessary interventions has caused a lot of trouble in response. The one positive intervention result I can think of is the Marshall Plan. And that wasn't a war operation kind of intervention.
It is amazing sometimes the extent of the bleeding hearts in this forum, there is absolutely nothing wrong or unethical with killing the enemy. Sometimes the most efficent way to do that is messy, sometimes invisible to the general population in the end the only important thing is that they die wholesale.
It's all about evolution, just as in biology societies evolve in ways both positive and negative. Those societies that are non functional and dangerous either wither away on their own or must be destroyed from the outside. It is an unfortunate reality but if you want your own culture to grow and sustain itself you have to remove all threats to it. The American people are slowly learning this and hopefully soon the full wieght and power of the military can be applied to the trouble spots in the world.
Dave
Wow. It took me to the end of the page to realise this wasn't sarcastic. It's a pity; it is a beautiful (bordering on genius) caricature of what I thought was an unfair stereotype of the good ol' US of A.
While I don't disagree with your formula Dave, what happens when your idea of enemy differs from someone in another room, state, country?
What happens when your "they" is not congruent with their "they"?
By what divine scale do you rate positive, negative, functional, dangerous, threat, sustain?
What boundaries do you put on "your own" culture; who chooses what is in and what is out?
It is an unfortunate reality that most lay people do not understand evolution, and continue to use it as a weapon against rationality. That you differentiate between "either wither away on their own or must be destroyed from the outside" shows your lack of understanding of one of the most basic elements of evolution.
(As a non American) I'm grateful your opinions are not shared by the majority of your country. What would have happened, I wonder, if it was ESA or (god forbid) China that took the first lunar pot shot?
You do recall that Stalin was an Ally, not an Axis, right? Doesn't that muddy up your response? It might even bolster my case.
Hitler rose to power in part because of the resentment of an incredibly unbalanced treaty at Versailles.
While Stalin was an incredibly evil man (probably top ten of the last century), but I don't think he started a war.
I'm not advocating no war, I'm advocating a looking at the consequences before jumping in, especially when it's someone else's fight. Today's mistakes will become quagmires decades from now, just as we're still dealing with the ghosts of past mistakes. The Taliban exist today in part because the CIA gave the Mujahideen weapons, training and organizational help when the Soviets invaded them. Now the same Taliban is a major risk to regional stability.
Iran used to have a real democracy half a century ago, before the CIA helped end that, I guess the US can't help but meddle. The US gave Saddam/Iraq WMDs to fight Iran. Saddam was evil too, but people didn't seem to mind selling him weapons in the 80's.
There will always be conflicts, but fanning the flames with unnecessary interventions has caused a lot of trouble in response. The one positive intervention result I can think of is the Marshall Plan. And that wasn't a war operation kind of intervention.
I was surprise that the DOD uses commercial OS. You would think that with their huge budget and resources they would develop their own in house variation of Linux. I've seen in the news that China does use their own OS.
If you have ever done any DOD work, you'd understand that they are probably much better off using a commercial OS. I think contracting by its very nature produces a more expensive and lower quality result.
If you have ever done any DOD work, you'd understand that they are probably much better off using a commercial OS. I think contracting by its very nature produces a more expensive and lower quality result.
Cool. Why not go ahead and start buying Hummers from GM dealer as well.. they will get cheaper service and lower whole sale prices
I don't think you can put a price on national security. The army is not a business and their job to protect the nation at all cost. I didn't expect people to forget 911 that quickly.
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Finally, a use for iSight.
Probably just a "cover your ass" kind of line to cover liabilities, especially if someone's kid might die in a mishap. I'm not masochistic enough to go through a EULA just for a post, there maybe something prohibiting it from being used in weapon systems, not general IT.
HP does seem to make pretty nice workstations (mine are not current, a few years old), but hardware is just one piece of the puzzle, the same goes for the cost of the hardware. The cost of hardware is low compared to the cost of the people that support and use the hardware.
How does apple workstations compare to hp workstations ??
You're just going to send me to a home page? Where's the page with your data?
To be fair, the data he quoted is on the homepage. Didn't you read it?
Oh no, he was exactly right. It was our fault, and has always been our fault, and we deserve what comes to our shores. We need to understand them, and empathize with them, and apologize to them for all of the terrible wrongs we've committed. we need to appease them, and hope they will forgive us.
Then we need to begin censoring the things we say so as not to offend them.
And while we're at it, maybe we should do a little more censoring so that we don't offend any of them who may be here visiting our evil country.
Get real mate. Hawaii, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Iran, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central America, Cuba - These are some of the places that the US has either invaded or had military involvement in in the last 150 years or so. Most of them for US interests at the cost of the local populace. Just because some groups are sick of it and fighting back you give some lame sarcastic response.
The US is not the only country to do this but you know what, it doesn't absolve the US for their actions either. And you know what - you should censor yourself because your ignorance of history offends me.
I was surprise that the DOD uses commercial OS.
Really? You think that the "DoD" would write one OS for everything from stapling papers to flying into space? Especailly when there are plenty of off the shelf solutions?
Apple uses Windows and Microsoft uses Mac OS X for certain things.
The DoD uses dozens of OSs, depending on the application it is being used for.
I've seen in the news that China does use their own OS.
Only one OS in all of China's {military}?
Really? You think that the "DoD" would write one OS for everything from stapling papers to flying into space? Especailly when there are plenty of off the shelf solutions?
Apple uses Windows and Microsoft uses Mac OS X for certain things.
The DoD uses dozens of OSs, depending on the application it is being used for.
Only one OS in all of China's {military}?
What's the problem if you can develop your own OS and customize to protect your network from being hacked by a foreign country trying to steal classified military documents and blueprints?! This article will give you more information about what China did.
Yet another one realizes the obvious: that macs are leaps and bounds beyond windows PCs.
If the Army can figure this one out anybody should be able to as well. Unfortunately, there are those even more dim-witted than the Army.
Yes, Army is clever.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...nd-of-2009.ars
Didn't Microsoft create a special hardened version of Windows and subsequently received some kind of special certification from the US army to have it installed on army computers? Or am I confused with another news story a year ago? It's interesting the OSX doesn't need to go through the same certification process..
Never heard of it.
Officially, US Army is putting Vista and Office 2007 on their desktops, around 750,000 of them. Migration should be finished by the end of this year.
Like who, you?
Because only a dimwit would make a statement like that.
Sorry to bust your patriotic bubble but I deal with the Army regularly and yes, unfortunately when dealing with highly technical problems they need to subcontract or it all flies above their little heads.
Yes, Army is clever.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...nd-of-2009.ars
Army: be all that you can be... which is not much it seems.
Yes for things like graphic design and non techies apple is great but when it comes to tax payer money why get an apple when an hp with the same specs is cheaper? (i am talking an hp with linux not windows).
So by your definition a Mac can only do things like graphic design or non-techie stuff which is ludicrous. That's Microsoft FUD spin, and you know it. Or at least should.
Efficiency, cost of use, and maintaining a system should be incorporated too. In that regard, like the story alludes to, Macs are cheaper, and in the long run are cheaper for the taxpayers.
Oh and one more thing, a U.S. government agency can't legally use a free system because it's not stimulating the economy. The only way around it is if the contractor, from which the government is spending money, is using or built a Unix/Linux system.
What's the problem if you can develop your own OS and customize to protect your network from being hacked by a foreign country trying to steal classified military documents and blueprints?! This article will give you more information about what China did.
Maybe when Obama and the other socialists in the states convert the nation to communism then the U.S. government can emulate China. Until then, read my post above.
Like who, you?
Because only a dimwit would make a statement like that.
sad to read when our dear boys and girls are dying in some foreign land
i am proud apple can maybe keep them safe
You're defending someone that used "bleeding hearts"? Not is that a blanket assumption or accusation, that is generally a phrase used by neocons, and not many others.
Just to be clear, I wasn't intending to call Wizard a neocon. But if people want to get political, then they should understand what they're getting into, if you're going to fling, you shouldn't complain when you get flung on. Which I'd say is an excellent demonstration of the same kind of core problem.
Much of the recent global intervention is in large part to make up for the mistakes in intervention decades previous, we were so focused on the problem at hand that it caused problem for the future. The blame can justifiably be spread pretty wide and across political aisles. The US will be paying for mistakes in the current intervention decades from now. You might say that we're still dealing with the ghosts of conflicts from a century ago. The more people understand this and actually try to do something to stop the cycle rather than follow the same old play book, the better off we will be.
jeff you almost pulled it off trying to explain why we go to war
i agree with you
but your words fall far short
even if we somehow stopped the cycle
a Stalin/hitler would still arise to test our pacifist ways
it is so complicated that it is simple
if every man when called to war said no
the mucky mucks would die on the vine
good try dude
jeff you almost pulled it off trying to explain why we go to war
i agree with you
but your words fall far short
even if we somehow stopped the cycle
a Stalin/hitler would still arise to test our pacifist ways
it is so complicated that it is simple
if every man when called to war said no
the mucky mucks would die on the vine
good try dude
You do recall that Stalin was an Ally, not an Axis, right? Doesn't that muddy up your response? It might even bolster my case.
Hitler rose to power in part because of the resentment of an incredibly unbalanced treaty at Versailles.
While Stalin was an incredibly evil man (probably top ten of the last century), but I don't think he started a war.
I'm not advocating no war, I'm advocating a looking at the consequences before jumping in, especially when it's someone else's fight. Today's mistakes will become quagmires decades from now, just as we're still dealing with the ghosts of past mistakes. The Taliban exist today in part because the CIA gave the Mujahideen weapons, training and organizational help when the Soviets invaded them. Now the same Taliban is a major risk to regional stability.
Iran used to have a real democracy half a century ago, before the CIA helped end that, I guess the US can't help but meddle. The US gave Saddam/Iraq WMDs to fight Iran. Saddam was evil too, but people didn't seem to mind selling him weapons in the 80's.
There will always be conflicts, but fanning the flames with unnecessary interventions has caused a lot of trouble in response. The one positive intervention result I can think of is the Marshall Plan. And that wasn't a war operation kind of intervention.
It is amazing sometimes the extent of the bleeding hearts in this forum, there is absolutely nothing wrong or unethical with killing the enemy. Sometimes the most efficent way to do that is messy, sometimes invisible to the general population in the end the only important thing is that they die wholesale.
It's all about evolution, just as in biology societies evolve in ways both positive and negative. Those societies that are non functional and dangerous either wither away on their own or must be destroyed from the outside. It is an unfortunate reality but if you want your own culture to grow and sustain itself you have to remove all threats to it. The American people are slowly learning this and hopefully soon the full wieght and power of the military can be applied to the trouble spots in the world.
Dave
Wow. It took me to the end of the page to realise this wasn't sarcastic. It's a pity; it is a beautiful (bordering on genius) caricature of what I thought was an unfair stereotype of the good ol' US of A.
While I don't disagree with your formula Dave, what happens when your idea of enemy differs from someone in another room, state, country?
What happens when your "they" is not congruent with their "they"?
By what divine scale do you rate positive, negative, functional, dangerous, threat, sustain?
What boundaries do you put on "your own" culture; who chooses what is in and what is out?
It is an unfortunate reality that most lay people do not understand evolution, and continue to use it as a weapon against rationality. That you differentiate between "either wither away on their own or must be destroyed from the outside" shows your lack of understanding of one of the most basic elements of evolution.
(As a non American) I'm grateful your opinions are not shared by the majority of your country. What would have happened, I wonder, if it was ESA or (god forbid) China that took the first lunar pot shot?
You do recall that Stalin was an Ally, not an Axis, right? Doesn't that muddy up your response? It might even bolster my case.
Hitler rose to power in part because of the resentment of an incredibly unbalanced treaty at Versailles.
While Stalin was an incredibly evil man (probably top ten of the last century), but I don't think he started a war.
I'm not advocating no war, I'm advocating a looking at the consequences before jumping in, especially when it's someone else's fight. Today's mistakes will become quagmires decades from now, just as we're still dealing with the ghosts of past mistakes. The Taliban exist today in part because the CIA gave the Mujahideen weapons, training and organizational help when the Soviets invaded them. Now the same Taliban is a major risk to regional stability.
Iran used to have a real democracy half a century ago, before the CIA helped end that, I guess the US can't help but meddle. The US gave Saddam/Iraq WMDs to fight Iran. Saddam was evil too, but people didn't seem to mind selling him weapons in the 80's.
There will always be conflicts, but fanning the flames with unnecessary interventions has caused a lot of trouble in response. The one positive intervention result I can think of is the Marshall Plan. And that wasn't a war operation kind of intervention.
i agree with what you say
i will ad
sometimes all roads lead to disaster
So who's saying that Windows PCs are a better choice for mission critical computers now?
If your mission is to freeze-crash-reboot ad infinitum then Windows PCs are the better choice.
I was surprise that the DOD uses commercial OS. You would think that with their huge budget and resources they would develop their own in house variation of Linux. I've seen in the news that China does use their own OS.
If you have ever done any DOD work, you'd understand that they are probably much better off using a commercial OS. I think contracting by its very nature produces a more expensive and lower quality result.
If you have ever done any DOD work, you'd understand that they are probably much better off using a commercial OS. I think contracting by its very nature produces a more expensive and lower quality result.
Cool. Why not go ahead and start buying Hummers from GM dealer as well.. they will get cheaper service and lower whole sale prices
I don't think you can put a price on national security. The army is not a business and their job to protect the nation at all cost. I didn't expect people to forget 911 that quickly.