..... OSX really does get viruses unlike the fud they spread....
Don't spread fud yourself.
There are no known viruses for Mac OS X in the wild, what you might refer to are Malware and Trojans, which have to be installed by the use entering the account's password by the user itself.
The rest is debatable of course.
My upgrade took quite longer than advertised.
But I had no account data deleted due to a backup and due to a missing guest account.
But others weren't as lucky.
Also I like to add to the "SL screwed up this an that"-list, that sometimes the OS freezes for 20 to thirty seconds. Nothing happens, even the clock stops.
It seems to happen while I watch something with VLC or in Safari and change to another Space.
Also, what does it matter if Windows gains market-share again and Apple loses some?
It seems the community got worse ever since Apple went Intel and the market share of Macintosh computers rose to a new "intelligence" low regarding the users, and especially non-users.
Trolls were mostly absent during those PPC days on this forum, as far as I can remember, and I was just a lurker then.
I maybe a fan but not a boy of Apple computers, and I see their faults too, especially in newer Intel related notebook hardware,
Ever since I'Ve gone the MacBook route (last year) and went on to two MacBook Pros I have had more trouble than with my good old iBook in four years.
Of course statistically speaking, it is more probable to get lemons with three fruits than with one.
Enough of this rant.
Just get on with all the mindless trolling about Windows this and Mac OS X that.
This is basically irrelevant, as most PC buyers buy the computer with the operating system already installed. Also PC users tend to like to do more work if it saves them money.
That's known as "sweat equity" ... and believe me , if you're working with windows, you're investing a lot of "sweat equity".
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Originally Posted by MacTripper
But with the gap between the two OS's narrowed, people will buy their hardware based upon price. Netbooks are cannibalizing laptop sales, Apple has no answer so they are losing double.
I dunno ... sales up, profits up ... hardly losing double.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper
Perhaps it will do Apple a lot of good to lose for awhile. Get their focus off supporting the Washington socialists who one day will just decide to take over their business in the name of the people.
Well so far the only businesses the government has shown any interest in investing/saving/owning via bailouts are the ones who "succeed" in failing.
He used it for 9 months. A rave is a rave. The review of 7 says much much more than what you quote from Vista's. When was there a previous MS rave that you are making such fanbot statments and comparing this to?
You're right, TeckDud. In the absence of ANY PREVIOUS WINDOWS RAVE ... this , then would qualify as a "rave".
If you'd read the review you'll see he did both and explains the pain of upgrading from XP as opposed to from Vista. Read the review.
Holy crap, Teckstud ... that was ALMOST an admission of a M$ fault and , by extrapolation, faint praise for Apple. I know, I'm reaching here, but hey, this doesn't happen every day.
when it comes down to it, the average consumer is totally oblivious to OS's and I find it hard to believe that people buy PCs based on Windows vs. OSX. For most people, their computing time is spent web browsing, emailing, multimedia, word processing, etc... These are pretty basic tasks and I can't believe that one OS outperforms another in these areas. Macs may have better performance then PCs but does it really make a difference to the average consumer who is just looking to do some web browsing?
I really don't understand the appeal of macs. I see tons of MacBooks at my university and can't see the justification of buying a $1000+ laptop when the most you're going to be using it for is taking notes, typing up reports, and browsing the web. I bought a high end HP laptop for substantially less than a MacBook Pro and with raw specs it outperforms the MacBook. I'm not going to get into the OS argument because I don't know enough about OSX, though I have used it and find any performance differences are negligible. One thing is for sure though, Apple does know how to make aesthetically pleasing products.
When you have a next to nothing worldwide marketshare and no corporate support, it's easier to do bigger upgrades and changing architectures than when you have %90+ marketshare
My point is Apple issue an install disk that doesn't require any of that. It is simpler. You install on top of everything (yes of course I always clone the drive first but it is not a requirement) ... simpler ... get it? Not having to re-install the software . ... sorry I thought what I meant was really, really obvious. I was saying I was surprised M$ didn't make a simpler upgrade procedure. In fact maybe they do, I was saying it was a disaster waiting to happen if they don't for the millions of users who are not Geeks. That's all. Follow me now or still feeling defensive?
p.s. I run a network of many PCs and Macs and have been a consultant to many large corporations. Try not to insult people eh?
I wasn't trying to insult you, just responding to your statement that uses the perceived cliche that all PC users are stupid (granted, there are lots of PC airheads out there!). At the same time, using my friends as an example, I've found that people who don't really know how to use PCs (computer illiterate, I guess you could say) migrate to Macs because they think it'll be easier, when in fact you still have to know how to utilize an OS in order to do things. Being a dumb PC user does not lead to being a smart Mac user; more often than not, it just means that they are now a dumb Mac user. That was all I was getting at, sorry for conveying that wrong.
Could the fact that iPod and iPhone work better with the Macintosh be something to do with the fact that iTunes for Windows almost universally loathed?
I keep seeing this shibboleth put forth on forums, but it's always stated as a third person fact - never by someone saying his or her own iTunes experience on Win is notably inferior because of A, B and C.
And given that something like 70% of iTunes users are Win iTunes users year after year, why would so many people - with millions more added every year - voluntarily opt to use and keep using a program they all ("universally") loathe?
Either back this up (evidence of mass loathing or at least specific reasons to diss the Win flavor of IT) or fold your cards and quit running an empty truism.
iTunes for Win is what convinced me to buy my first Mac, I use it on both and other than a few settings diffs, I'm hard-pressed to tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by Zoolook
This is recommended for any OS upgrade - going from Tiger to Snow Leopard, it is recommended to do the same thing.
There's a kind of schizophrenia about the users of Win and OSX as to which are the gearheads and which are the ones who can't plug in a USB cable - when in fact there are plenty of both on both platforms - if for different reasons.
Noobs with cash who will use it enough to get their money's worth and who especially know someone who groks Macs - and right-brained creatives who are bright but technophobic - are clearly advised to get a Mac. But in the real world that - especially the $$ and regular use parts - excludes many.
On the geek side the choice comes down to intended uses, programs of interest, and what kind of geek you are. It actually took me two years to become fully comfortable on the Mac side in terms of trouble shooting, configuration and understanding the whole UI metaphor differences and there are things I can troubleshoot on Win that still elude me on my and friends' Macs (and lately, now that I'm a Mac vet, vice-versa).
So it's not nearly as clear as some imply as to which strokes best need the needs and means and predilections of different folks.
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Originally Posted by Postulant
Yep. I don't mind the ads as long as Apple continues to differentiate its OS through innovative technologies rather than through catchy commercials that play on perceived differences.
Hopefully Windows 7 lives up to the hype.
Comparable to superior tech can be out-marketed or "out-consortiumed" - e.g. VHS v BetaMax (Sony loses) or HD-DVD v BluRay (Sony actually wins one for a change).
Proprietary tech can sink (again Sony's Memory Stick and Atrac media format) or soar - e.g., iPods and iPhones and OSX finally taking off around the time of Tiger.
Superior tech can fail or be marginalized - e.g., DOS v DR-DOS, WordPerfect v Word - and even with buzz - e.g. Mac OS v Windows.
But now Apple's had both superior tech, support and amazing press and mind share for awhile. And they do sell a fair amount of sizzle not backed up by steak, e.g. their memory upgrade prices, offering only a whole replace of an overpriced power brick when only one removable AC plug tang is damaged, etc.
If they ever do start resting on their laurels from this enviable perch, it might take awhile for the world to realize it, but in the long run vision, deep R&D, creativity, innovation, growing and effective ISV and other partners systems and customer focus are more important than all the marketing and Apple Stores in the world.
But then the corporations will go ballistic and users will whine that 10 years old Geforce 3 doesn't run the OS properly. Microsoft tried that approach with Windows Vista and it didn't work. When you have such large marketshare, you just cant make decisions like that unless you are willing to risk your business and start alientating your users! I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it's the reality!
Please tell me why? Vista did work from day one. Nobody really can tell the "issues" with Vista. Name one, please! (If you wanne say it's not fast enough on Netbooks, that's not true anymore and please show me the Netbook Mac)
When thousands of users are complaining and computer manufacturers have to offer a downgrade to a previous OS that must tell you something.
Never worry about storage again! Click upgrade and Snow Leopard will take care of the rest. No user input necessary. Your HDD formatted like day one; It just works
Imagine That!
JFYI, making the font bigger adds nothing to the intelligence of the post, and, unlike your usual M$ haunts, people here can read without moving their lips ... ok,..... maybe not you or TeckDud.
Maybe they are all that 5yr old asian girl from the windows ads? I find it ironic that trolls rag on apple "computers for morons" yet the windoze campaign is built around a little girl and how easy their system is to us. Does she do the virus scans and removal as well, does she fix the registry when it's f*'ed, does she reinstall the bios when they magically become corrupted? I can't wait for the ad of her doing the VistaV.2 install, daddy get me drive, now we back up all, daddy daddddddddy i want my chocomilk!!! Now we just look for my barbie dream house cd to reinstall....what daddy it was pirated??? Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa
I have to say that the ad in question is a good ad, imo, I kinda wish it was an Apple ad .... but face it, was bound to happen sometime, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.
The way you've highlighted that passage is dishonest because it doesn't account for the context of the comment. If you highlighted the remainder of the sentence then you might gain some credibility but in doing so, you would not be supporting your argument.
What, you can't read print that's not highlighted?
I think it's time for you to go, and do you not even know your wonderful OS's marketing campaign, you really fail and hopefully will be deleted sooner then later, oh I'm sorry iDeleted.
I agree the rash of trolls here is dragging this site down, it's a shame, at least techstud has something to add now and then, he's a tolerable troll.
Yes, you're right ....TeckDud may not say anything intelligent often, but when he does, it doesn't mean anything.
At least now we know when the new hardware updates will be released. What better way to block MS release of Window 7, with a complete hardware solution that would be cheaper to upgrade to. An entry level mac mini that would be cheaper to buy then the total cost of the Windows upgrade.
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..... OSX really does get viruses unlike the fud they spread....
Don't spread fud yourself.
There are no known viruses for Mac OS X in the wild, what you might refer to are Malware and Trojans, which have to be installed by the use entering the account's password by the user itself.
The rest is debatable of course.
My upgrade took quite longer than advertised.
But I had no account data deleted due to a backup and due to a missing guest account.
But others weren't as lucky.
Also I like to add to the "SL screwed up this an that"-list, that sometimes the OS freezes for 20 to thirty seconds. Nothing happens, even the clock stops.
It seems to happen while I watch something with VLC or in Safari and change to another Space.
Also, what does it matter if Windows gains market-share again and Apple loses some?
It seems the community got worse ever since Apple went Intel and the market share of Macintosh computers rose to a new "intelligence" low regarding the users, and especially non-users.
Trolls were mostly absent during those PPC days on this forum, as far as I can remember, and I was just a lurker then.
I maybe a fan but not a boy of Apple computers, and I see their faults too, especially in newer Intel related notebook hardware,
Ever since I'Ve gone the MacBook route (last year) and went on to two MacBook Pros I have had more trouble than with my good old iBook in four years.
Of course statistically speaking, it is more probable to get lemons with three fruits than with one.
Enough of this rant.
Just get on with all the mindless trolling about Windows this and Mac OS X that.
This is basically irrelevant, as most PC buyers buy the computer with the operating system already installed. Also PC users tend to like to do more work if it saves them money.
That's known as "sweat equity" ... and believe me , if you're working with windows, you're investing a lot of "sweat equity".
But with the gap between the two OS's narrowed, people will buy their hardware based upon price. Netbooks are cannibalizing laptop sales, Apple has no answer so they are losing double.
I dunno ... sales up, profits up ... hardly losing double.
Perhaps it will do Apple a lot of good to lose for awhile. Get their focus off supporting the Washington socialists who one day will just decide to take over their business in the name of the people.
Well so far the only businesses the government has shown any interest in investing/saving/owning via bailouts are the ones who "succeed" in failing.
He used it for 9 months. A rave is a rave. The review of 7 says much much more than what you quote from Vista's. When was there a previous MS rave that you are making such fanbot statments and comparing this to?
You're right, TeckDud. In the absence of ANY PREVIOUS WINDOWS RAVE ... this , then would qualify as a "rave".
This is recommended for any OS upgrade - going from Tiger to Snow Leopard, it is recommended to do the same thing.
Sorry .... not necessary! ....Fail
If you'd read the review you'll see he did both and explains the pain of upgrading from XP as opposed to from Vista. Read the review.
Holy crap, Teckstud ... that was ALMOST an admission of a M$ fault and , by extrapolation, faint praise for Apple. I know, I'm reaching here, but hey, this doesn't happen every day.
I really don't understand the appeal of macs. I see tons of MacBooks at my university and can't see the justification of buying a $1000+ laptop when the most you're going to be using it for is taking notes, typing up reports, and browsing the web. I bought a high end HP laptop for substantially less than a MacBook Pro and with raw specs it outperforms the MacBook. I'm not going to get into the OS argument because I don't know enough about OSX, though I have used it and find any performance differences are negligible. One thing is for sure though, Apple does know how to make aesthetically pleasing products.
Microsoft: "'Thunder'? What's he talking about, 'Thunder'?"
I have no idea what that refers to .... but it's funny!
No wonder Mac Os 10.6 was selling so cheap! Why upgrade and transfer your data? Not necessary OS 10.6 will delete your user data any ways
Only if you're an idiot and can't follow instructions .... sound familiar ?
When you have a next to nothing worldwide marketshare and no corporate support, it's easier to do bigger upgrades and changing architectures than when you have %90+ marketshare
Yes, but it still has to be done.
Slam- dunking a posting that's been proven false? Now that's a first.
Your reply to original post hardly constitutes PROOF, even by your low standards.
My point is Apple issue an install disk that doesn't require any of that. It is simpler. You install on top of everything (yes of course I always clone the drive first but it is not a requirement) ... simpler ... get it? Not having to re-install the software . ... sorry I thought what I meant was really, really obvious. I was saying I was surprised M$ didn't make a simpler upgrade procedure. In fact maybe they do, I was saying it was a disaster waiting to happen if they don't for the millions of users who are not Geeks. That's all. Follow me now or still feeling defensive?
p.s. I run a network of many PCs and Macs and have been a consultant to many large corporations. Try not to insult people eh?
I wasn't trying to insult you, just responding to your statement that uses the perceived cliche that all PC users are stupid (granted, there are lots of PC airheads out there!). At the same time, using my friends as an example, I've found that people who don't really know how to use PCs (computer illiterate, I guess you could say) migrate to Macs because they think it'll be easier, when in fact you still have to know how to utilize an OS in order to do things. Being a dumb PC user does not lead to being a smart Mac user; more often than not, it just means that they are now a dumb Mac user.
Could the fact that iPod and iPhone work better with the Macintosh be something to do with the fact that iTunes for Windows almost universally loathed?
I keep seeing this shibboleth put forth on forums, but it's always stated as a third person fact - never by someone saying his or her own iTunes experience on Win is notably inferior because of A, B and C.
And given that something like 70% of iTunes users are Win iTunes users year after year, why would so many people - with millions more added every year - voluntarily opt to use and keep using a program they all ("universally") loathe?
Either back this up (evidence of mass loathing or at least specific reasons to diss the Win flavor of IT) or fold your cards and quit running an empty truism.
iTunes for Win is what convinced me to buy my first Mac, I use it on both and other than a few settings diffs, I'm hard-pressed to tell the difference.
This is recommended for any OS upgrade - going from Tiger to Snow Leopard, it is recommended to do the same thing.
There's a kind of schizophrenia about the users of Win and OSX as to which are the gearheads and which are the ones who can't plug in a USB cable - when in fact there are plenty of both on both platforms - if for different reasons.
Noobs with cash who will use it enough to get their money's worth and who especially know someone who groks Macs - and right-brained creatives who are bright but technophobic - are clearly advised to get a Mac. But in the real world that - especially the $$ and regular use parts - excludes many.
On the geek side the choice comes down to intended uses, programs of interest, and what kind of geek you are. It actually took me two years to become fully comfortable on the Mac side in terms of trouble shooting, configuration and understanding the whole UI metaphor differences and there are things I can troubleshoot on Win that still elude me on my and friends' Macs (and lately, now that I'm a Mac vet, vice-versa).
So it's not nearly as clear as some imply as to which strokes best need the needs and means and predilections of different folks.
Yep. I don't mind the ads as long as Apple continues to differentiate its OS through innovative technologies rather than through catchy commercials that play on perceived differences.
Hopefully Windows 7 lives up to the hype.
Comparable to superior tech can be out-marketed or "out-consortiumed" - e.g. VHS v BetaMax (Sony loses) or HD-DVD v BluRay (Sony actually wins one for a change).
Proprietary tech can sink (again Sony's Memory Stick and Atrac media format) or soar - e.g., iPods and iPhones and OSX finally taking off around the time of Tiger.
Superior tech can fail or be marginalized - e.g., DOS v DR-DOS, WordPerfect v Word - and even with buzz - e.g. Mac OS v Windows.
But now Apple's had both superior tech, support and amazing press and mind share for awhile. And they do sell a fair amount of sizzle not backed up by steak, e.g. their memory upgrade prices, offering only a whole replace of an overpriced power brick when only one removable AC plug tang is damaged, etc.
If they ever do start resting on their laurels from this enviable perch, it might take awhile for the world to realize it, but in the long run vision, deep R&D, creativity, innovation, growing and effective ISV and other partners systems and customer focus are more important than all the marketing and Apple Stores in the world.
Yes, but it still has to be done.
But then the corporations will go ballistic and users will whine that 10 years old Geforce 3 doesn't run the OS properly. Microsoft tried that approach with Windows Vista and it didn't work. When you have such large marketshare, you just cant make decisions like that unless you are willing to risk your business and start alientating your users! I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it's the reality!
Please tell me why? Vista did work from day one. Nobody really can tell the "issues" with Vista. Name one, please! (If you wanne say it's not fast enough on Netbooks, that's not true anymore and please show me the Netbook Mac)
When thousands of users are complaining and computer manufacturers have to offer a downgrade to a previous OS that must tell you something.
Introducing "iDelete"
Never worry about storage again! Click upgrade and Snow Leopard will take care of the rest. No user input necessary. Your HDD formatted like day one; It just works
Imagine That!
JFYI, making the font bigger adds nothing to the intelligence of the post, and, unlike your usual M$ haunts, people here can read without moving their lips ... ok,..... maybe not you or TeckDud.
Maybe they are all that 5yr old asian girl from the windows ads? I find it ironic that trolls rag on apple "computers for morons" yet the windoze campaign is built around a little girl and how easy their system is to us. Does she do the virus scans and removal as well, does she fix the registry when it's f*'ed, does she reinstall the bios when they magically become corrupted? I can't wait for the ad of her doing the VistaV.2 install, daddy get me drive, now we back up all, daddy daddddddddy i want my chocomilk!!! Now we just look for my barbie dream house cd to reinstall....what daddy it was pirated???
I have to say that the ad in question is a good ad, imo, I kinda wish it was an Apple ad .... but face it, was bound to happen sometime, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.
The way you've highlighted that passage is dishonest because it doesn't account for the context of the comment. If you highlighted the remainder of the sentence then you might gain some credibility but in doing so, you would not be supporting your argument.
What, you can't read print that's not highlighted?
I think it's time for you to go, and do you not even know your wonderful OS's marketing campaign, you really fail and hopefully will be deleted sooner then later, oh I'm sorry iDeleted.
I agree the rash of trolls here is dragging this site down, it's a shame, at least techstud has something to add now and then, he's a tolerable troll.
Yes, you're right ....TeckDud may not say anything intelligent often, but when he does, it doesn't mean anything.
Upgrade vs. System.
Are they those corporations consist of 5 fat tight shirt wearing hipsters drinking starbucks latte and playing with iChat all the time?
What's the matter, are all your friends still in play school? They'll be out soon ... relax.